EFL to end season this week - City likely to be promoted (46 Viewers)

[lord_garrincha]

You can understand why the play offs would be extended to 6 teams, looking at the table, but to include it as low as Ipswich would be a fucking joke!

 

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[SkyBlueCRJ]

He hasn't help himself by making it all about him and claiming he has missed out on a 25 million transfer.

I can fully understand his argument and it has legs. He just hasn't handled himself well.

Yeah whilst it's pretty clear I'm not his biggest fan, I'll accept that it's unfortunate that the club could potentially lose out on a promotion when they've played pretty well for the majority of the season.

But let's be clear, his tactics are causing the whole decision making process to become terribly elongated and that's now beginning to fuel uncertainty - this is something I can't accept. If I were a Posh fan I'd feel a bit embarrassed at how he's conducting himself in the media as his rants are making him look incompetent.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The only danger caused has been by the EFL not being more proactive in securing funds for the clubs. Nobody negotiated even when DM laid out specific ways that the funding could be obtained.

Funds from where?

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

It is just speculation, given DMAC's attempts to canvass through twitter etc, I wouldn't be surprised if he's fed this story.

To be fair he has a history of this.

He does it more or less during every transfer window.

 

[kg82]

Nice to see Barry thinks we should be promoted - nothing to do with a payment clause with Godden I’m sure

I’m genuinely surprised he’s still alive. Hasn’t he had 3 heart attacks, or something like that? And he doesn’t appear to be the calmest (or healthiest). Anyway, nice of him to give us his blessing!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Funds from where?

Reshuffled TV and solidarity payments

 

[fernandopartridge]

Fleetwood will win play-offs anyway, they have the Joey Barton factor.

Joey Barton factor? He won one promotion in his career with Burnley, he hasn't won any other medals at all. He has never played in the play offs. He is a born whining loser.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Reshuffled TV and solidarity payments

How would that have feasibly worked?

 

[CCFC88]

The same government rulings that have covered staff costs while the grounds remain mothballed?

Those exact same rulings. The same entitlements that would have to be given up to pay players to play in front of no crowds with minimal revenue being generated by the club.

It would be financial suicide for a number of clubs at L1 level. Port Vale did the right thing in L2

 

[Magwitch]

The state of lower league finances has always been dire. If it's taken a global pandemic for that to be revealed to you then you've clearly got a lot of catching up to do.

No one has said the problem is going away, but playing the remaining games isn't exactly the solution to remedying the financial plight in L1 and L2.

It escapes me why you don't seem to understand that. Rick Parry has himself claimed that multiple clubs in the EFL are likely to go bust by the summer. Do you think forking out to play a handful of games is going to help their situation when multiple clubs are already at their knees? Or perhaps is it a bit wiser to end the season now, bide time and hope that the EFL pulls their finger out and tries to plug the £200M black hole.

I certainly know which option I'd take.

I think there was always a straw that would break the camels back with football finances and I’m afraid this coronavirus is it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How would that have feasibly worked?

Accepting those due years down the line now and waiving them later. He explained all a few months ago

 

[jordan210]

So now it looks like its not going to be till Friday. Whats everyone up to this week.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

I think there was always a straw that would break the camels back with football finances and I’m afraid this coronavirus is it.

Exactly. It's terrible that it's come to this but the state of football finances have always being shockingly fragile.

We also live in a reactive society and as a result it has to take something bad to happen before preventative action is then enforced to ensure that bad thing doesn't ever happen again.

I hope that from this, football's financial and regulatory structure is reformed so that a greater balance can be sparked throughout the football pyramid, meaning every club can compete fairly and safely. Unfortunately, this will be off the back of multiple clubs going bust over the coming months but that is the reality of our current situation.

 

[robbiethemole]

Wonder what Posh fans think of it?

Looking on their boards, none of them have even opened a thread on it, the fuckers can't even be bothered to discuss it. Fuck their chairman and their team.

 

[Magwitch]

And let’s not assume the clubs in the Premiership gravy train are exempt I think a good few clubs in that division are looking nervously over their shoulders.

 

[ccfcricoh]

So much fuss has been made now i can see us following the Championship lead rather than the L2 one.

They'll all aim to carry on, then in about 4/5 weeks realise it still wont be finished and then cancel the season then anyway, with a few clubs closer to disappearing completely for playing football with no revenue.

I'm not convinced the championship will make it to the end either.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Looking on their boards, none of them have even opened a thread on it, the fuckers can't even be bothered to discuss it. Fuck their chairman and their team.

I’ve seen very few.

 

[skybluebeduff]

Live image from the meeting.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Those exact same rulings. The same entitlements that would have to be given up to pay players to play in front of no crowds with minimal revenue being generated by the club.

It would be financial suicide for a number of clubs at L1 level. Port Vale did the right thing in L2

So make some effort at negotiation or a pay to watch service. My point is nobody tried hard enough except for the one guy who we are now calling a prick when he made a detailed pitch for possible solutions in March.

 

[SkyblueTexan]

Can't believe Bristol or Lincoln are interested in continuing (no man's land, with financial costs). Shrewsbury have said they don't want to know, as have Accy Stanley. Southend have binned off half of their squad to save money, and obviously us/Rotherham are happy to sit on our hands. The likes of MK Dons, Blackpool and Burton won't want to carry on. Add in Rochdale and Wimbledon, probably Bolton - so there are as many who don't want to continue as do.

If there's more than a 51% majority of those who don't want to continue, shouldn't the season be ended this week? I really cannot understand why Bristol Rovers, Lincoln and Gillingham would want to join the 6 rebel clubs in playing on. Their chances for promotion were remote before COVID-19 and will stay that way even if they played on.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If there's more than a 51% majority of those who don't want to continue, shouldn't the season be ended this week? I really cannot understand why Bristol Rovers, Lincoln and Gillingham would want to join the 6 rebel clubs in playing on. Their chances for promotion were remote before COVID-19 and will stay that way even if they played on.

Depends what DMac’s told/offered them

 

[cc84cov]

Is anyone shocked the EFL are lacking balls here ?

 

[Philosoraptor]

I think there may be a point in questioning awarding Rotherham a place in the top 2. I've had them recently slipping slightly down the league

Also with Ipswich, I would imagine the time which has elapsed in lockdown has made their team stronger with injured personnel coming back. A play-off place could be on for them if the season continues.

However, the time left to restart the season is shrinking fast. How can you possibly complete all these games with a pre-season in the time remaining?

Of course, this is even before you add the cost element. I believe teams would have costed their season on the league ending on a specific date Going over that line would add an unfair advantage to certain teams.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

DMac trying to get others to join him:

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

So make some effort at negotiation or a pay to watch service. My point is nobody tried hard enough except for the one guy who we are now calling a prick when he made a detailed pitch for possible solutions in March.

Is there definitive proof that the EFL have done nothing to try? You keep on saying that they've done nothing which albeit wouldn't shock me, but surely they've at least asked the question.

Or is it more likely that the TV companies are being difficult?

There already is a pay to watch service - iFollow. This has already been discussed as an ineffective alternative though, as for many the paid for subscriptions would be pitiful given the size of some of the fanbases in L1 and L2.

 

[Otis]

Gillingham, Lincoln and Bristol Rovers also want the season concluded as they still think they could sneak into the playoffs. I think Gillingham may of sneaked in as they were on a very good run, but no chance Lincoln and Bristol Rovers would have made it.

That's how ridiculous it is. Bristol Rovers are in 14th place and 14 points from the playoff positions.

It is becoming a nonsense.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Is there definitive proof that the EFL have done nothing to try? You keep on saying that they've done nothing which albeit wouldn't shock me, but surely they've at least asked the question.

Or is it more likely that the TV companies are being difficult?

There already is a pay to watch service - iFollow. This has already been discussed as an ineffective alternative though, as for many the paid for subscriptions would be pitiful given the size of some of the fanbases in L1 and L2.

If I were the EFL and had been making major efforts I would be making as much noise as possible but right now the silence is deafening. Find another service, negotiate twice as hard-but at least be seen to fight for your clubs.

McAnthony was making these arguments months ago. He even offered to do the negotiating himself. Not to say he’s the best man or has the answers but there were detailed specifics in his proposals. We heard nothing from the League and their idea of letting the clubs sort it out themselves is damning

 

[fernandopartridge]

So make some effort at negotiation or a pay to watch service. My point is nobody tried hard enough except for the one guy who we are now calling a prick when he made a detailed pitch for possible solutions in March.

It isn't realistic as there are broadcast contracts in place with exclusivity rights etc. These won't be given up. He is representing his own interests only.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

It isn't realistic as there are broadcast contracts in place with exclusivity rights etc. These won't be given up. He is representing his own interests only.

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Even the solidarity payments?

 

[shmmeee]

L1 is going to end up very messy I feel. If they are saying 51% for a majority that isn’t a fair reflection across the leaves imo. 75% is fair for any decision.

The smallest possible majority is actually 52% to 48% and as we all know that’s a solid mandate.

*runs*

 

[fernandopartridge]

Even the solidarity payments?

I'd imagine they are co-terminus with the existing tv deal, and / or the money does not yet exist.

 

[Specs WT-R75]

How would that have feasibly worked?

It's called contract factoring whereby some guaranteed payment is made available to you sooner by paying a small fee. Then in future years you would have less income, but you would have 3-4 years to prepare for that shock down the road and plan for it by adjusting playing budget accordingly. He suggested that the EFL could broker such a deal for all clubs with a relatively low fee, and ensure that any money distributed went towards paying debts nothing else. To be honest that sort of thing is pretty standard practise in other businesses. All in all makes a lot of sense really.

 

[Specs WT-R75]

The longer this drags on the less likely any football is going to be played anyway. It obviously isn't going to happen as some clubs would go under so won't vote for it but even if they agreed today that we'll play on theres the 3 week pre season and then only a few weeks until contracts expire. What the EFL cn do is set a deadline whereby a recommencement has to be agreed upon, if we go past that then we just look at how to finish on ppg, nothing else.

How can they set a deadline until we even have a date and schedule for the Championship to resume & conclude. Surely we need that first before a vote can realistically be taken.

 

[CCFC88]

So make some effort at negotiation or a pay to watch service. My point is nobody tried hard enough except for the one guy who we are now calling a prick when he made a detailed pitch for possible solutions in March.

No your original point was that any club can go under at any time due to unsound finances, mine was that forcing some clubs to play in these extenuating circumstances could cause one or more to go under.

You've just turned it into a DMAC love in again for some reason.

 

[Skybluefaz]

That's how ridiculous it is. Bristol Rovers are in 14th place and 14 points from the playoff positions.

It is becoming a nonsense.

I think they've also only won one game since Jesus was born too