EFL to end season this week - City likely to be promoted (13 Viewers)

[Ring Of Steel]

Some fans on twitter suggesting that teams like Cov are scared of playing out the season as they've got "a lot to lose", ignoring the trajectory Cov are on. The only thing we've got to lose is a club record points tally based on current form.

If the league was won based on hypothesising, predicting & ability to generate "what if" & wish list scenarios, Peterborough would have run away with the league.

As it is though the league is won based on points accumulated on matches actually played, and they are some way behind us due to their lack of quality compared to us.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

If the league was won based on hypothesising, predicting & ability to generate "what if" & wish list scenarios, Peterborough would have run away with the league.

As it is though the league is won based on points accumulated on matches actually played, and they are some way behind us due to their lack of quality compared to us.

Wouldn’t mind Toney for Baka and Hiwulla though

 

[rob9872]

If the league was won based on hypothesising, predicting & ability to generate "what if" & wish list scenarios, Peterborough would have run away with the league.

As it is though the league is won based on points accumulated on matches actually played, and they are some way behind us due to their lack of quality compared to us.

Nah they'd have been 2nd to Sunderland

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Think I'm right in saying if we won all our remaining matches we'd equal the League 1 points record too - just as likely as the collapse they're predicting.

Wolves got 103 points and Sheffield United got 100 a few seasons ago

 

[Frostie]

Wolves got 103 points and Sheffield United got 100 a few seasons ago

Quite right, we'd be just short.
My point stands though, it's incredibly unlikely we'd win them all but just as likely as this prediction that we'd slump out of the Autos having lost 3 all season.

 

[wingy]

Wolves got 103 points and Sheffield United got 100 a few seasons ago

Two more games?

 

[Kingokings204]

I agree with the point as well. The season was stopped over two months ago now. So in theory with a mini pre season we won’t be playing if we were to for another 4-5 weeks and that’s from today. Then we need what 6 weeks to play the games so all in we need 3 months from today to finish so that takes us to September 1st. It isn’t going to happen

 

[covcity4life]

Damn right i wanna get promoted rather thab risk missing out on top 2. any fan thatvsays we have zeronchance of ballsing it up are just bias

 

[Gibbo]

The failure to hold the meeting for a second day is not encouraging imho.

Parry and the EFL want PPG. But they need the clubs to endorse it, as they don't have the authority to insist on it. They only need a simple majority, (although I have seen elsewhere that they need a 75% vote). The delay implies Parry is struggling to get a majority.

We also need to fear null and void by accident becoming the default as DM decides he would rather nobody is promoted if he doesn't get his chance to be promoted - a kamikaze approach, but one which makes the power point. He might prefer that as second best in order to kill PPG as a concept.

 

[Malaka]

Why do I keep checking this thread? There is nothing going on today, I know this, but I can't help it. Please! somebody help me!

 

[tisza]

The failure to hold the meeting for a second day is not encouraging imho.

Parry and the EFL want PPG. But they need the clubs to endorse it, as they don't have the authority to insist on it. They only need a simple majority, (although I have seen elsewhere that they need a 75% vote). The delay implies Parry is struggling to get a majority.

We also need to fear null and void by accident becoming the default as DM decides he would rather nobody is promoted if he doesn't get his chance to be promoted - a kamikaze approach, but one which makes the power point. He might prefer that as second best in order to kill PPG as a concept.

don't see the cash-strapped clubs backing null & void as threatens TV money and possibly solidarity payments. Also EFL then have a big problem between League 2 & 1 (and possibly championship) re: promotion & relegation
FA can still veto any move to change promotion and relegation rules

 

[steve cooper]

Empty vessels (such as the fans on twitter you spoke of) make the most noise and should know better. Unlike DM who has gone on and on about finding some kind of backdoor to get into the Championship (while dragging other teams into his schemes), we've been very calm and collected through this whole arduous process of learning the fate of League 1. In the very beginning we were ready to play out the season. But as days have turned to weeks and weeks potentially to months, it seems sensible to find a way to end the season in a fair and just manner where more than 75% of matches have been played. That's not called being scared. That's being practical. With so many other leagues ending their season and finding a way to determine who is promoted/relegated, our expectations for League 1 to do the same is only natural. It's not like League 1 will be the only league that rewards those who deserve it and punishes those who don't. At some point we've got to draw the line, find closure and give credit where it's due. This cannot drag on forever as the financial repercussions of that are far worse (as more teams fold or lay off staff to keep afloat). For teams/fans who feel aggrieved that they didn't get a shot at promotion/playoffs (assuming there is no playoffs or that their team wasn't chosen for it), all I can say is that life isn't fair sometimes. We've had more than our fair share of pain and misfortune over the years (I think there's even another thread on this forum about that). So if we get promoted based on PPG (weighted/unweighted), I really think we've deserved it this season. We were on a 14 match unbeaten run at the time the season was cut short. I think we could have even extended that run (especially after beating Portsmouth, Sunderland, Ipswich and getting a respectable point vs Rotherham). So I don't buy the argument about being scared. We halted Portsmouth's winning run, Ipswich were in freefall after January, Wycombe lost their way after we hammered them in Dec, Sunderland even found a way to lose to Bristol Rovers just before this COVID-19 crisis to ruin their playoff chances, Rotherham lost to Rochdale in March just before this crisis...We were the team leading the form tables as well at that time. All things considered we damn right deserve to be promoted to the Championship as we've consistently been the best team throughout the season and there cannot be any arguments about that.

Very true, we are easily the best all round team in this division, personally I think if we had to finish the season we would just extend our lead at the top. Best Manager, best defence, as good a midfield as anyone in this league, good enough attacking options. Even if we lost our loan players we would still be good enough IMO. My main worry is that we end up with another situation like we have with Sunderland, where forever people find some way to use a PPG resolution against us, like what is already happening on twitter. We have to be prepared for that.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The failure to hold the meeting for a second day is not encouraging imho.

Parry and the EFL want PPG. But they need the clubs to endorse it, as they don't have the authority to insist on it. They only need a simple majority, (although I have seen elsewhere that they need a 75% vote). The delay implies Parry is struggling to get a majority.

We also need to fear null and void by accident becoming the default as DM decides he would rather nobody is promoted if he doesn't get his chance to be promoted - a kamikaze approach, but one which makes the power point. He might prefer that as second best in order to kill PPG as a concept.

I think they need a simple majority to endorse PPG as the basis for deciding the final table. They might need 75% for the bit about having an 8 team play off, as that is a fundamental change to the rules.

I should hope they're putting it as two separate motions.

 

[Gibbo]

don't see the cash-strapped clubs backing null & void as threatens TV money and possibly solidarity payments. Also EFL then have a big problem between League 2 & 1 (and possibly championship) re: promotion & relegation
FA can still veto any move to change promotion and relegation rules

...and if they run out of time?

 

[lifeskyblue]

Really don’t care what other club’s fans think if we get promoted without completing season. Like all football fans I would have hoped we gained promotion over the full season but it isn’t looking that way and if the authorities based on the appropriate advice end season early we will take it...just as they would if it favoured them.
We are comfortably the best team in L1 and not losing since December underlines the form we are in. After beating Pompey and Sunderland I couldn’t see us not getting promotion and after the win at Ipswich we looked the commanding team in the division. Yes we had a couple of tricky games left but those teams would be more worried playing us than we would them.


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[shmmeee]

I was all for playing the season out and doing it properly but TBH when it comes down to brass tacks I’ll take any way back into the Championship. Like I’ll give a fuck what Sunderland fans think next season.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Steve Evans has said Gills need to be involved in the extended play off

 

[Brylowes]

Damn right i wanna get promoted rather thab risk missing out on top 2. any fan thatvsays we have zeronchance of ballsing it up are just bias

Personally I think we would go on and win promotion ‘but there is a lot of credence given
to the old saying “If it can happen ‘It will happen” so yeah, probably best not to tempt fate.

 

[mr_monkey]

Steve Evans has said Gills need to be involved in the extended play off

Of course that prick has

 

[Marty]

The failure to hold the meeting for a second day is not encouraging imho.

Parry and the EFL want PPG. But they need the clubs to endorse it, as they don't have the authority to insist on it. They only need a simple majority, (although I have seen elsewhere that they need a 75% vote). The delay implies Parry is struggling to get a majority.

We also need to fear null and void by accident becoming the default as DM decides he would rather nobody is promoted if he doesn't get his chance to be promoted - a kamikaze approach, but one which makes the power point. He might prefer that as second best in order to kill PPG as a concept.

Null and void wont happen IMO, That would cause the most problems. It would affect everything. Clubs would be well within their right to demand money back paid in bonuses to players, if clauses were triggered from transfers, clubs would be demanding money back. No prize money, no TV revenue paid out.

They should have got all 71 EFL clubs in at once and have a vote together, so the format is exactly the same all the way through.

 

[chiefdave]

Steve Evans has said Gills need to be involved in the extended play off

We're top and people are talking about us struggling in the Championship next season. Would make the league a complete joke if they ended up promoting the team in 11th!

 

[Magwitch]

Poor old DMc must sit at home with his pipe and slippers well pissed off asking why! I’m sure if he was guaranteed top six he wouldn’t be so vocal but straight ppg puts Posh seventh replaced by eighth placed Wycombe and to rub salt into his wounds Wycombes’ game in hand is us at St.Andrews if they had played that and lost Peterborough would be okay for the play-offs minimum under ppg. Can understand him being a bit miffed to be honest.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Null and void is already off the table, stop talking about it.

 

[chiefdave]

The league has a format set out. Top 2 go up and then the next 4 in playoffs. As far as I'm concerned the only valid reason to change that is if the play offs can't take place, then you have to decide if its just 2 up or the top 3.

I get clubs fighting their corner but wanting to change the format of the competition at the expense of potentially putting other clubs out of business is taking things too far.

 

[Liquid Gold]

The league has a format set out. Top 2 go up and then the next 4 in playoffs. As far as I'm concerned the only valid reason to change that is if the play offs can't take place, then you have to decide if its just 2 up or the top 3.

I get clubs fighting their corner but wanting to change the format of the competition at the expense of potentially putting other clubs out of business is taking things too far.

It's an inevitable consequence of extending it down a couple of teams, if the team in 7th isn't happy they add two more and the team in 9th isn't happy so they go for 8 teams then the one in 11th isn't happy and so and and so forth. Playoffs are 3-6 at the end of the season, due to unforeseen circumstances this season has ended early, 3-6 playoffs and stop messing around.

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

The league has a format set out. Top 2 go up and then the next 4 in playoffs. As far as I'm concerned the only valid reason to change that is if the play offs can't take place, then you have to decide if its just 2 up or the top 3.

I get clubs fighting their corner but wanting to change the format of the competition at the expense of potentially putting other clubs out of business is taking things too far.

Excellent post . There are rules in place pertaining to the format of the competition. Any deviation will create a president and potential for a club to litigate in future seasons

 

[Grendel]

Excellent post . There are rules in place pertaining to the format of the competition. Any deviation will create a president and potential for a club to litigate in future seasons

The league two proposal already changes those rules though

 

[CCFC88]

Steve Evans has said Gills need to be involved in the extended play off

Course he has, they're as close to Tranmere as they are to us

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

The league two proposal already changes those rules though

Not the format of a 4 team play off

 

[Grendel]

Not the format of a 4 team play off

They propose to scrap relegation which still is a different rule and would open the door for other changes

 

[steve cooper]

They propose to scrap relegation which still is a different rule and would open the door for other changes

Which is why I think it won't happen

 

[Magwitch]

The league two proposal already changes those rules though

Not been accepted yet though.
I still have a hunch it all depends on the Premiership, especially if the re-start doesn’t happen it could go no relegation and just two up from championship and increase the Prem to 22 clubs for a season or two.

 

[mr_monkey]

They propose to scrap relegation which still is a different rule and would open the door for other changes

But that's also due to bury as well isn't it

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

They propose to scrap relegation which still is a different rule and would open the door for other changes

That’s not been ratified & the FA are insisting on promotion and relegation. As the NGB the EFL are bound to adhere to that direction. Therefore, the format remains in place

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Peterborough United co-owner believes an extended play-offs idea is gaining traction with League One club owners, but he’s worried the 2020-21 season could fall by the wayside if the 2019-20 season is curtailed
Peterborough United co-owner Stewart ‘Randy’ Thompson believes play-offs which include more than the traditional four clubs is gaining support among League One owners.
By Alan Swann
Tuesday, 19th May 2020, 12:05 pm

Posh co-owner Stewart 'Randy' Thompson.
Posh chairman Darragh MacAnthony suggested last week that a way out of the current impasse regarding how to finish the 2019-20 season was to have the third promotion place decided by an eight-team tournament. There have also been suggestion second-placed Rotherham United should also be involved given they are currently just three points clear of eighth-placed Wycombe Wanderers.

Thompson took to social media last night (May 18) to claim clubs shutting up shop for the rest of this season could impact on the 2020-21 campaign. He believes the EFL and other ruling bodies must make sure those clubs who rely on gate income to survive to be helped financially to avoid a big negative impact on next season.


Thompson said: “Every club has an agenda. Staying alive by shuttering is a real agenda. If the EFL want to solve the issue, we need to hear that agenda & embrace a mechanism that ensures the small clubs live and we all play ASAP. The Premier League and the Government could also help.

“I’m saying if all clubs knew they were financially safe, conversations on when/how to start and finish season/start new season would be easier for all the clubs. The decisions would have been made by now.

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“We think we should be playing, but if the EFL wants to create solidarity, they are going to have to give the smaller clubs a reason not to shutter and furlough until July 2021.

“I remember when Simon Jordan mentioned the possibility of no football till the 21/22 sason and I thought how scary that scenario is. In League One, we are there. If teams won’t play behind closed doors now, they wont in September and I understand why when you stay alive with gate money.

“This solution (extended play-offs) is gaining legs with the ‘Top 10’ owners. I can totally understand why after Top 10 you don’t actually care. A play-off like this is way more fair than WPG or PPG.

“It’s an easier straight up formula because what do you weigh, home form, away form, league placing form etc etc?”


The EFL board are due to meet again tomorrow (May 20) with League One clubs expected to vote on how to conclude the 2019-20 season by the end of the week.


What does RANDY mean by top 10???