clint van damme
Well-Known Member
I posted yesterday it was both but Dutchman posted a link to an article which states that may not necessarily be the case. Fuck knows when it will all end. It can't drag on for too much longer surely?
Feels like this is never gonna end, is it both votes next Tuesday or 1?
The problem with her margin of error is they seem to have picked three years as that's how you end up with Tranmere being safe. Only checked a couple of seasons prior to that but that saw the teams in the relegation places at the point at which this season has stopped relegated.
They claimed they had modelled the data multiple times using different years but have failed to provide that data or answer the question of why 3 years.
I've asked her on Twitter multiple times & best I could get was this:
Smells fishy to me. The competition has been running for 130 years, why pick 3?
Why not go back to introduction of 3 points for a win in 1981?
I might be completely wrong but with the little I’ve read about things, and while it might be frustrating for people, it seems that the EFL are playing this right. It seems that If they came and made a ruling straight away they’d run the risk of leaving themselves open to all sorts of legal ramifications in the future. From what I’ve read it would appear that in order to make things as right as they can be, the decision should come from the clubs. Also, it seems to me the EFL are strong supporters of PPG and are not particularly interested in completing the season.She is doing what any owner in her position would and should do and try and get her club to stay up if she has the opportunity to. Is it morally correct or accurate? Absolutely not.... But the way the EFL have been she has every right to give it a go as she has nothing to lose. It's absolute nonsense and will get nowhere but she is just doing whatever she can for her club to stay up
Said it weeks back...
As soon as the EFL know their safe to do so they will end it on PPG
If they've run it for 5, 10, 20 years stick the data up and show it doesn't make any difference to shut people up - easy."Nope. Make it 10 years if you like. It doesn’t change the picture. We had to pick a point to average off and 3 was as good as any. Short enough to be relevant, long enough to be statistically valid. And the methodology was praised by an independent professional statistician"
Someone who should be handing their degree back.
No one with any sense on how to do this would say this is a plausible idea.
I might be completely wrong but with the little I’ve read about things, and while it might be frustrating for people, it seems that the EFL are playing this right. It seems that If they came and made a ruling straight away they’d run the risk of leaving themselves open to all sorts of legal ramifications in the future. From what I’ve read it would appear that in order to make things as right as they can be, the decision should come from the clubs. Also, it seems to me the EFL are strong supporters of PPG and are not particularly interested in completing the season.
If they've run it for 5, 10, 20 years stick the data up and show it doesn't make any difference to shut people up - easy.
Anyway she's created her own problem now. Claimed that was the greatest plan ever and that independent experts agreed. Now they've scrapped that and come up with something else. By definition if she claims the first way proposed was the best possible option then this new option is worse.
yep. Tranmere stay up and clubs write a letter to PL asking for 5 million each as a one-off giftJust having a wild stab in the dark here on the new proposal.
Does it involve Tranmere staying up and designed to garner as many votes as possible in the league.
The problem with her margin of error is they seem to have picked three years as that's how you end up with Tranmere being safe. Only checked a couple of seasons prior to that but that saw the teams in the relegation places at the point at which this season has stopped relegated.
They claimed they had modelled the data multiple times using different years but have failed to provide that data or answer the question of why 3 years.
Updated proposal
I can just picture the Tranmere board sat there trying to work out what methodology they can propose for them to stay up...
Board - 'What about unweighted PPG?'
Stats guy - 'Nope, still relegated'
Board - 'FM2020?'
Stats guy - 'Nope, still down'
Board - 'Glicko-2?'
Stats guy - 'Couldn't get hold of Philosorapter'
<5 hours later>
Board - 'Monkey tennis results over the last 3 years?'
Stats guy - '<sigh>Let just go with that...'
They really need the raptor and GlickoI can just picture the Tranmere board sat there trying to work out what methodology they can propose for them to stay up...
Board - 'What about unweighted PPG?'
Stats guy - 'Nope, still relegated'
Board - 'FM2020?'
Stats guy - 'Nope, still down'
Board - 'Glicko-2?'
Stats guy - 'Couldn't get hold of Philosorapter'
<5 hours later>
Board - 'Monkey tennis results over the last 3 years?'
Stats guy - '<sigh>Let just go with that...'
MFE still seems lie an "if and buts" theory. Teams going to be counting pts lost through obvious refereeing errors next?the relevant part
League 1:
The application of the PPG outcome sees Wycombe replace Peterborough in the play-off
positions.
Applying the MFE outcome sees Wycombe in the play offs but along with 3 other Clubs (Rotherham, Peterborough, Sunderland & Doncaster) who are included as potential play-off candidates. This results in 8 Clubs eligible for play-offs for two promotion spots. Coventry City are automatically promoted.
Tranmere would not be relegated.
Could just mean that's what various clubs have submitted. If that's the case doesn't mean any / all will get to the stage of being voted on.
So they’re gonna allow a vote on no relegation? I can’t see how they would promote if there’s no relegation?
So now the vote is Tuesday......
I guess depending if they send the papers today
Needs a fixed framework. This pantomime gone on long enough.Whatever happens (and i mean whatever), this kind of freak show has to end. The only way they can do that is by a change in the rules for the EFL and Prem which sets out a contingency plan for what happens if a season cannot be completed.
My suggestion would be that there must be a date cut-off for the end of any season. In my view this should be 31st May.
If, by that time, all clubs have completed more than 75% of their fixtures, the season is declared complete, and the points per game are calculated and positions allocated accordingly.
There should be old-skool straight promotion and relegation with no play-offs, as there MAY be no guarantee that they could be played.
If ALL clubs have NOT played 75% of their games by 31st May, the season is declared null and void. No champions, promotion or relegation.
I suppose you could argue with the last point that someone who is sure-fire on for relegation could postpone their 33rd match for some made-up reason and get the season voided, but i think that would be unlikely (unless you're a Sunderland fan).
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