Ellis simms (14 Viewers)

Mucca Mad Boys · Tuesday at 11:19 AM

Grendel said:
Simms has only scored in 13 of 88 appearances in the league.

Most goals - including cup games came in a short run of games - he only scored 2 in his first 28

This season he’s returned to last seasons typical form. The run of games he scored in is looking more the exception than the norm

In his career before he came to Cov, he consistently had a strike rate of 1 in 3.

The use of appearances is heavily misleading because the headline is ‘6 in 40’ this season but you take the minutes he’s actually played, it equates to 25.5 games. In his whole Cov career, he’s played 5,501 minutes which equates to 61 games in terms of per 90.

In any case, he’s scored 26 goals in 5,501 minutes which is a goal per 212 minutes for us. This despite the huge gaps you outline.

For reference, Haji has 31 goals in 5,300 minutes (58 games) which equates to a goal per 170 minutes. Haji is approaching his peak and cost over double Simms so I’d expect a better return.

Why is there a motivation to airbrush his cup goals for us? He scored 3 goals v Prem opposition and assisted Haji’s winner v Wolves.

I wouldn’t give up on him at all, he’s had a difficult season this year. You could ultimately end up being right but to rush to that conclusion is hasty in my view.

Terry_dactyl · Tuesday at 11:24 AM

shmmeee said:
Guys just ask Saddle if you want the name he’ll DM you.

@Saddlebrains ?

Grendel · Tuesday at 11:24 AM

Mucca Mad Boys said:
In his career before he came to Cov, he consistently had a strike rate of 1 in 3.

The use of appearances is heavily misleading because the headline is ‘6 in 40’ this season but you take the minutes he’s actually played, it equates to 25.5 games. In his whole Cov career, he’s played 5,501 minutes which equates to 61 games in terms of per 90.

In any case, he’s scored 26 goals in 5,501 minutes which is a goal per 212 minutes for us. This despite the huge gaps you outline.

For reference, Haji has 31 goals in 5,300 minutes (58 games) which equates to a goal per 170 minutes. Haji is approaching his peak and cost over double Simms so I’d expect a better return.

Why is there a motivation to airbrush his cup goals for us? He scored 3 goals v Prem opposition and assisted Haji’s winner v Wolves.

I wouldn’t give up on him at all, he’s had a difficult season this year. You could ultimately end up being right but to rush to that conclusion is hasty in my view.

He’s scored in only 13 league games

Sick Boy · Tuesday at 11:27 AM

Terry_dactyl said:
@Saddlebrains ?

@Saddlebrains and me.

Hincha · Tuesday at 11:33 AM

Mucca Mad Boys said:
I’d be interested in the extent of his injury to be honest.

The system we play now under Lampard is similar to the one under Robins where he was successful. We do sometimes struggle creating chances against the low block and there’s been plenty of occasions this season where we come v passive in the final third.

These are tactical nuances that Lampard will address in the summer irrespective of the league we’re in.

I don't know if tactically it is that similar despite being the same formation.

We had less possession last season & allowed teams to come onto us more allowing Wright/Simms space on the counter. Some games were almost like basketball matches

Now we have a higher-line and compress the pitch a lot more - which is not good for a player like Simms

We also look for pull backs to CM's more this season - hence our goal contributions from midfield being a lot higher this year

Sidepoint but looking at his Derby team - I think Lampard will want to coach a high-octane pressing style over the summer. The striker is so important to lead the press and I don't think he'll want Simms doing it

fatso · Tuesday at 11:35 AM

Sick Boy said:
@Saddlebrains and me.

#metoo.

Mucca Mad Boys · Tuesday at 11:36 AM

Grendel said:
He’s scored in only 13 league games

If we want to make all our players look bad, Haji Wright has only scored in 22 league games, out of 69 appearances. 20 games if you exclude penalty goals.

Even the top scorers in the league have a strike rate less than 50% this season. Piroe has 19 in 44 (scored in 14 games of those), and Sainz 17 in 39, Sargent 15 in 30 games.

It’s a ridiculous argument to make and you know it. Don’t believe me? Go through Gyokeres 22/23 season - he scored in about 17 games iirc.

rob9872 · Tuesday at 11:41 AM

Mucca Mad Boys said:
If we want to make all our players look bad, Haji Wright has only scored in 22 league games, out of 69 appearances. 20 games if you exclude penalty goals.

Even the top scorers in the league have a strike rate less than 50% this season. Piroe has 19 in 44 (scored in 14 games of those), and Sainz 17 in 39, Sargent 15 in 30 games.

It’s a ridiculous argument to make and you know it. Don’t believe me? Go through Gyokeres 22/23 season - he scored in about 17 games iirc.

He's referring to crossed seasons though. If he'd scored in 17 games (Gyokeres) or even 14 games (Prioe) this wouldn't be on here. This season Simms has scored in 5 out of 41 (since you've not done Piroe, Sainz or Sargent on per 90 to suit this narrative).

Grendel · Tuesday at 11:43 AM

Mucca Mad Boys said:
If we want to make all our players look bad, Haji Wright has only scored in 22 league games, out of 69 appearances. 20 games if you exclude penalty goals.

Even the top scorers in the league have a strike rate less than 50% this season. Piroe has 19 in 44 (scored in 14 games of those), and Sainz 17 in 39, Sargent 15 in 30 games.

It’s a ridiculous argument to make and you know it. Don’t believe me? Go through Gyokeres 22/23 season - he scored in about 17 games iirc.

It’s not a ridiculous argument at all - simms has scored in 5 games this season and 8 last in the league

Who had the highest GPM last season?

Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue · Tuesday at 11:50 AM

Simms is shit, lazy and slow. The sooner we can get rid the better. Going from Gyokeres to Simms was like going from an Aston Martin Vanquish to a Citroen Berlingo.

Captain Dart · Tuesday at 11:51 AM

Sick Boy said:
@Saddlebrains and me.

Not me, I do not want the burden.

Mucca Mad Boys · Tuesday at 12:05 PM

Grendel said:
It’s not a ridiculous argument at all - simms has scored in 5 games this season and 8 last in the league

Who had the highest GPM last season?

Szmodics scored in 21 games out of 44. Likewise, Gyokeres in 22/23 scored in 18 league games out of 49 league games, which is under 40%.

If you took out penalties, Gyokeres only scored an open play goal in 15 games that season. He also scored a large % of his goals against teams in the bottom half. These are some of things people do to manipulate the stats behind Simms’ outputs.

In most leagues outside the top European leagues, the top scorers will rarely score in more than 33% of games.

Sky Blue Goblin · Tuesday at 12:06 PM

shmmeee said:
Guys just ask Saddle if you want the name he’ll DM you

Don’t think this is the same player. Just based on the left centreback add on

Grendel · Tuesday at 12:07 PM

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Szmodics scored in 21 games out of 44. Likewise, Gyokeres in 22/23 scored in 18 league games out of 49 league games, which is under 40%.

If you took out penalties, Gyokeres only scored an open play goal in 15 games that season. He also scored a large % of his goals against teams in the bottom half. These are some of things people do to manipulate the stats behind Simms’ outputs.

In most leagues outside the top European leagues, the top scorers will rarely score in more than 33% of games.

You often quote MPG and include all competitions and you’ve not answered my question

rob9872 · Tuesday at 12:14 PM

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Szmodics scored in 21 games out of 44. Likewise, Gyokeres in 22/23 scored in 18 league games out of 49 league games, which is under 40%.

If you took out penalties, Gyokeres only scored an open play goal in 15 games that season. He also scored a large % of his goals against teams in the bottom half. These are some of things people do to manipulate the stats behind Simms’ outputs.

In most leagues outside the top European leagues, the top scorers will rarely score in more than 33% of games.

At least be consistent with your argument. It's either per game or per minute. It's also including ir not including pebs and cup or no cup depending on which suits best. I agree that we're all showing one side or the other and there probably is some grey, but can't have it both ways.

SBT · Tuesday at 12:24 PM

rob9872 said:
this isn’t as someone who doesn’t want him to do well

Given the frequency with which certain posters are choosing to drone on about him, you’d be forgiven for wondering if this is actually true sometimes

Mucca Mad Boys · Tuesday at 12:27 PM

Grendel said:
You often quote MPG and include all competitions and you’ve not answered my question

You said GPM which I understood the question to be ‘Goals Per Match’ given the context of your post. Did you mean MPG?

If so, I’ll answer accordingly. I believe Haji shades Simms on MPG even if you exclude the penalties.

rob9872 said:
At least be consistent with your argument. It's either per game or per minute. It's also including ir not including pebs and cup or no cup depending on which suits best. I agree that we're all showing one side or the other and there probably is some grey, but can't have it both ways.

I will always default to minutes per goal as the most reliable metric to go on. There’s possibly been a mix up between Grendel and I - see above.

This topic often resurfaces when they talk about Simms, the old ‘how many games did they score in?’ In this context, it’s used to undermine players who score 1.5+ goals in a game. The exclusion of cup fixtures again is used to skew the numbers because this is where Simms has been a good contributor.

Grendel · Tuesday at 12:27 PM

SBT said:
Given the frequency with which certain posters are choosing to drone on about him, you’d be forgiven for wondering if this is actually true sometimes

I suspect Lampard will be sending him to the departure lounge in the summer

Grendel · Tuesday at 12:28 PM

I would assume Tavares had the highest last season if you include cup competitions

Mucca Mad Boys · Tuesday at 12:35 PM

Grendel said:
I would assume Tavares had the highest last season if you include cup competitions

He played a total of 360 minutes, so yes he would top the charts with 3 goals. In the same way that Ponticelli probably had a better MPG than McNulty back in L2.

Haji (5,300) and Simms (5,501) have played more or less the same amount of minutes for us so the comparison is proportionate and fair.

SBT · Tuesday at 12:35 PM

Grendel said:
I suspect Lampard will be sending him to the departure lounge in the summer

You’re kind of telling on yourself by replying so quickly to that post…

Mucca Mad Boys · Tuesday at 12:36 PM

Grendel said:
I suspect Lampard will be sending him to the departure lounge in the summer

… Our ITKs seem to think BTA is most likely being sent to the departure lounge before Simms.

rob9872 · Tuesday at 12:55 PM

Mucca Mad Boys said:
… Our ITKs seem to think BTA is most likely being sent to the departure lounge before Simms.

I'd send Bassette on loan and Tavares contract wont be renewed so it's a race to the bottom! Hopefully Obikwu looks great pre-season!

Skyblueabo1111 · Tuesday at 1:05 PM

We will need Simms against Luton. Need more aggression. The whole team were rubbish, apart from Patterson, yet Simms gets battered here, by "Cov fans".. he has hardly started many games.

slondonskyblue · Tuesday at 1:08 PM

Skyblueabo1111 said:
We will need Simms against Luton. Need more aggression. The whole team were rubbish, apart from Patterson, yet Simms gets battered here, by "Cov fans".. he has hardly started many games.

He has ZERO aggression, he doesn't even put himself about and challenge for headers. He just jumps in the air, and the odd time he does make contact he heads it to one of their players. He has gone backwards under Frank and looks completely lost.

The most half arsed presser I've seen too.

KenilworthSkyBlue · Tuesday at 1:10 PM

Mucca Mad Boys said:
… Our ITKs seem to think BTA is most likely being sent to the departure lounge before Simms.

Could that not be because BTA wants to go rather than Lampard wanting him to go? He seems like he's a player that wants to start week in week out rather than play second fiddle.

I think there will be a conversation about what to do with the ST position in the summer. Simms has regressed massively this season and BTA just isn't good or consistent enough to warrant a starting spot. And Bassette needs to somehow figure out how to be a footballer.

Will be interesting to see what direction Lampard and the club takes in the summer.

Evo1883 · Tuesday at 1:15 PM

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Disagree, it’s clear he’s being asked to perform a specific role and Jimmy87 has mentioned he’s playing with an injury.

The scrutiny should be with Haji who’s missed two massive chances in the last 2 away games. I’m struggling to see why he’s got a free pass here.

We can make a thread for Haji if you like , its not like everybody doesnt call him out when he misses chances or its not like people dont call him lazy etc ..

However

Haji isnt consistently poor , ellis is and thats why people are discussing it

Evo1883 · Tuesday at 1:19 PM

Mucca Mad Boys said:
In his career before he came to Cov, he consistently had a strike rate of 1 in 3.

The use of appearances is heavily misleading because the headline is ‘6 in 40’ this season but you take the minutes he’s actually played, it equates to 25.5 games. In his whole Cov career, he’s played 5,501 minutes which equates to 61 games in terms of per 90.

In any case, he’s scored 26 goals in 5,501 minutes which is a goal per 212 minutes for us. This despite the huge gaps you outline.

For reference, Haji has 31 goals in 5,300 minutes (58 games) which equates to a goal per 170 minutes. Haji is approaching his peak and cost over double Simms so I’d expect a better return.

Why is there a motivation to airbrush his cup goals for us? He scored 3 goals v Prem opposition and assisted Haji’s winner v Wolves.

I wouldn’t give up on him at all, he’s had a difficult season this year. You could ultimately end up being right but to rush to that conclusion is hasty in my view.

Such a disingenuous post honestly ..in the LEAGUE Last season he had a decent spell which was a third of the season , since leeds at home last season hes scored 6 goals in 47 appearances

He is approaching a goal every 5 games since leeds in the LEAGUE last season .. his form is fucking wank a goal every 436 minutes since last April in the league

Skyblueabo1111 · Tuesday at 1:25 PM

slondonskyblue said:
He has ZERO aggression, he doesn't even put himself about and challenge for headers. He just jumps in the air, and the odd time he does make contact he heads it to one of their players. He has gone backwards under Frank and looks completely lost.

The most half arsed presser I've seen too.

He created a great chance for Haji, which he missed. Didn't he create the goal as well?

Evo1883 · Tuesday at 1:29 PM

Mucca Mad Boys said:
If we want to make all our players look bad, Haji Wright has only scored in 22 league games, out of 69 appearances. 20 games if you exclude penalty goals.

Even the top scorers in the league have a strike rate less than 50% this season. Piroe has 19 in 44 (scored in 14 games of those), and Sainz 17 in 39, Sargent 15 in 30 games.

It’s a ridiculous argument to make and you know it. Don’t believe me? Go through Gyokeres 22/23 season - he scored in about 17 games iirc.

Nobody would be moaning about simms if he had scored 19 in 44 league games ffs , honestly what are you even on about at this point

The records you've just put up are good

Mucca Mad Boys · Tuesday at 1:34 PM

Evo1883 said:
Such a disingenuous post honestly ..in the LEAGUE Last season he had a decent spell which was a third of the season , since leeds at home last season hes scored 6 goals in 47 appearances

He is approaching a goal every 4 or 5 games since leeds in the LEAGUE last season .. his form is fucking wank a goal every 436 minutes since last April in the league

What is more disingenuous, using a sample of a players entire career at a club or one timeframe that you’ve decided on? It’s arbitrary to airbrush cup goals too but it’s clearly because it’s a lot more convenient for you. It’s either disingenuous or misleading, take your pick.

When you take non-penalty goals into account, Haji’s and Simms MPG is roughly equal and over the same period of time.

I don’t know how you’ve come to 436 minutes, that figure is 350 MPG for this season alone. Which, let’s be honest, isn’t good enough.

I can accept the possibility that Simms 2024 last season was a flash of excellent goalscoring form and may not be replicated. Equally, you ought to accept that Simms’ bad form this season could be down to a variety of factors and things will improve next season.

Haji is obviously a better player than Simms, but Simms also isn’t as bad as people like you make him out to be.

PUSB-We_are_going_up · Tuesday at 1:35 PM

Why dont we support our players rather than dig them out when they put in an equal performance to the rest of the squad?

Evo1883 · Tuesday at 1:36 PM

Mucca Mad Boys said:
What is more disingenuous, using a sample of a players entire career at a club or one timeframe that you’ve decided on? It’s arbitrary to airbrush cup goals too but it’s clearly because it’s a lot more convenient for you. It’s either disingenuous or misleading, take your pick.

When you take non-penalty goals into account, Haji’s and Simms MPG is roughly equal and over the same period of time.

I don’t know how you’ve come to 436 minutes, that figure is 350 MPG for this season alone. Which, let’s be honest, isn’t good enough.

I can accept the possibility that Simms 2024 last season was a flash of excellent goalscoring form and may not be replicated. Equally, you ought to accept that Simms’ bad form this season could be down to a variety of factors and things will improve next season.

Haji is obviously a better player than Simms, but Simms also isn’t as bad as people like you make him out to be.

In his last 47 league appearances including this season hes scored a goal every 436 minutes ..

Its not good enough , end of story dont matter what waffle you come up with

Evo1883 · Tuesday at 1:37 PM

PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
Why dont we support our players rather than dig them out when they put in an equal performance to the rest of the squad?

Ellis has copious amounts of support irrespective of how shit hes playing .. so i wouldn't worry mate

rob9872 · Tuesday at 1:37 PM

Skyblueabo1111 said:
We will need Simms against Luton. Need more aggression. The whole team were rubbish, apart from Patterson, yet Simms gets battered here, by "Cov fans".. he has hardly started many games.

Hardly started

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