Ellis simms (15 Viewers)

[Jimmy87]

Think we overpaid for both Simms and Wright, but I’ll probably get pelters for the latter.

I think you're right. I think £2.5m for Simms would have been fair, he's not reached any add ons yet. I think £7.7m for Wright is far too much.
Though take into account, £10m for the likes of Tom Cannon, we could have been in a much worse position.

 

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[JoeCCFCPUSB]

Think we overpaid for both Simms and Wright, but I’ll probably get pelters for the latter.

I don't mind Wright, his numbers seriously shut us all the fuck up, given the fact he's another player that hasn't got a first touch, is terrible on the ball and generally does fuck all, but he scores goals and at the end of the day that is all that matters.

Ellis Simms does all of the above but doesn't score goals its unbelievable

 

[shmmeee]

I think you're right. I think £2.5m for Simms would have been fair, he's not reached any add ons yet. I think £7.7m for Wright is far too much.
Though take into account, £10m for the likes of Tom Cannon, we could have been in a much worse position.

£7.7m for a twenty a season striker at this level is not too much.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I think you're right. I think £2.5m for Simms would have been fair, he's not reached any add ons yet. I think £7.7m for Wright is far too much.
Though take into account, £10m for the likes of Tom Cannon, we could have been in a much worse position.

I don’t think we’ve overpaid for either player because the market is just that inflated. Birmingham spent £15m on Jay Stansfield who scored less goals than both our strikers last season.

As you say, if £10m for Cannon is the going rate, we’ve done alright.

 

[Gint11]

I’d offload Simms in the summer. Something’s missing. He hasn’t got that nasty edge I think he’d style of game needs.

He hit 14 didn’t he for us in one season which shows me he’s got it but just not consistent enough (although his game time has dropped)

Then he bags last minute winners and my hopes raise but I think all in all, I’d rather we get someone else in. Just my thoughts

 

[Jimmy87]

£7.7m for a twenty a season striker at this level is not too much.

Fair enough.

 

[Jimmy87]

I don’t think we’ve overpaid for either player because the market is just that inflated. Birmingham spent £15m on Jay Stansfield who scored less goals than both our strikers last season.

As you say, if £10m for Cannon is the going rate, we’ve done alright.

Stansfield is mind boggling. Most of his goals just penalties i'm guessing. The market is just ridiculous.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Simms plays through the middle every game .. Wright doesnt

Haji has 28 goals and 8 assists in 69 league games , mostly off the left

That’s not the point I was responding to. People trotted out the ‘how many games has he scored in’ argument before I and others pointed out that Simms scored more goals from open play and in more games than Haji last season.

Haji also missed more ‘big chances’ which has been the case this season when they’ve played together.

I think Haji is a top end Championship player on his day and better than Simms. Simms is unfairly judged.

Even since Haji has been back, he’s looked better off the left imo because he has more space to operate in. Sunderland (H) seems to be the exception atm because he’s been bullied a few times when he’s been asked to lead the line against the likes of Oxford (as a sub), Pompey, Sheff U and even Burnley, despite the goal.

 

[Evo1883]

No you're right, we do look better with Simms in the side. Just need to look at the stats of games he's started since Lampard came in and how many we've won.

When i found out he was playing with an injury about half way through that initial 10 game run, which took us back up towards play offs, i heard they were trying to find a way of managing the way he plays, as obviously we were without Wright and EMC, BTA was also playing with injury and so was Eccles. BTA eventually succumbed to his. Simms was our only real proper no.9, he wanted to do what he could to play. He's not really had a break since then, he did sit out once Wright came back, but now EMC is injured again. We've only won one where Wright has started as CF, so they obviously have a dilemma on their hands.
I think to a certain extent, the way they've used Simms is really good, he does occupy, he chases the lost causes and he presses like he's being asked to, allowing others to arrive and score the goals, but when it doesn't go our way, he's the scapegoat.

Doesn't bother me to be honest as i know what's been asked of him, and i know he's giving it his all despite managing a recurring injury.
What i find amusing is the constant comparison to Wright, who cost considerably more, who for arguments sake, should therefore be giving us more consistency.
Doesn't matter that Wright's first touch is often poor, because apparently Simms is worse.
Doesn't matter that Wright misses free headers, because he scores more than Simms. (would hope so for £7.7m no?)
We are including his penalties and tap ins for agenda purposes, but Simms' goals from last year don't count apparently, because of who they were scored against. Highly amusing.

True. the knives come out readily for Simms, that won't change.

3 of the 4 games wright played as a CF were against teams in the top 4 , he scored 4 goals against burnley and sunderland

 

[JoeCCFCPUSB]

Our new goalkeeper

 

[Evo1883]

That’s not the point I was responding to. People trotted out the ‘how many games has he scored in’ argument before I and others pointed out that Simms scored more goals from open play and in more games than Haji last season.

Haji also missed more ‘big chances’ which has been the case this season when they’ve played together.

I think Haji is a top end Championship player on his day and better than Simms. Simms is unfairly judged.

Even since Haji has been back, he’s looked better off the left imo because he has more space to operate in. Sunderland (H) seems to be the exception atm because he’s been bullied a few times when he’s been asked to lead the line against the likes of Oxford (as a sub), Pompey, Sheff U and even Burnley, despite the goal.

Simms isnt unfairly judged at all .. hes had plenty of time and people like yourself have constantly made bullshit excuses for his poor form .. its boring

 

[Jimmy87]

I’d offload Simms in the summer. Something’s missing. He hasn’t got that nasty edge I think he’d style of game needs.

He hit 14 didn’t he for us in one season which shows me he’s got it but just not consistent enough (although his game time has dropped)

Then he bags last minute winners and my hopes raise but I think all in all, I’d rather we get someone else in. Just my thoughts

I think we'll see BTA leave before Simms.

 

[Great_Expectations]

No you're right, we do look better with Simms in the side. Just need to look at the stats of games he's started since Lampard came in and how many we've won.

When i found out he was playing with an injury about half way through that initial 10 game run, which took us back up towards play offs, i heard they were trying to find a way of managing the way he plays, as obviously we were without Wright and EMC, BTA was also playing with injury and so was Eccles. BTA eventually succumbed to his. Simms was our only real proper no.9, he wanted to do what he could to play. He's not really had a break since then, he did sit out once Wright came back, but now EMC is injured again. We've only won one where Wright has started as CF, so they obviously have a dilemma on their hands.
I think to a certain extent, the way they've used Simms is really good, he does occupy, he chases the lost causes and he presses like he's being asked to, allowing others to arrive and score the goals, but when it doesn't go our way, he's the scapegoat.

Doesn't bother me to be honest as i know what's been asked of him, and i know he's giving it his all despite managing a recurring injury.
What i find amusing is the constant comparison to Wright, who cost considerably more, who for arguments sake, should therefore be giving us more consistency.
Doesn't matter that Wright's first touch is often poor, because apparently Simms is worse.
Doesn't matter that Wright misses free headers, because he scores more than Simms. (would hope so for £7.7m no?)
We are including his penalties and tap ins for agenda purposes, but Simms' goals from last year don't count apparently, because of who they were scored against. Highly amusing.

True. the knives come out readily for Simms, that won't change.

In fairness, JDS has put in a number of good performances and didn’t really get much time today, so there’s no other (outfield) boo boys available.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Stansfield is mind boggling. Most of his goals just penalties i'm guessing. The market is just ridiculous.

Birmingham will get exposed next season imo because they have spent massively on decent Championship players. It’s pretty common for teams to get 95-100 points in L1 and struggle in the championship.

People have said we overspent on Rudoni and frankly, it looks like great value and wouldn’t have minded if we were ‘fleeced’ for a few million more.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Simms isnt unfairly judged at all .. hes had plenty of time and people like yourself have constantly made bullshit excuses for his poor form .. its boring

One thing is unarguable, the results are better when he plays.

 

[Evo1883]

I mean if he could hit a ball clean he'd be on penalties to maybe boost his confidence and numbers but he cant even do that well

 

[Evo1883]

One thing is unarguable, the results are better when he plays.

As they are without sheaf ? Means nothing because ellis is barely contributing

 

[Jimmy87]

In fairness, JDS has put in a number of good performances and didn’t really get much time today, so there’s no other (outfield) boo boys available.

This is true. I think JDS turnaround has been quite admirable. Credit to him, has had his fair share of abuse too. From what i've heard, they have a LB lined up, though he has made a case to remain as the back up. Perhaps now they've extended Bidwell, they can use that to gather some sort of fee for him. Smart business.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

This is true. I think JDS turnaround has been quite admirable. Credit to him, has had his fair share of abuse too. From what i've heard, they have a LB lined up, though he has made a case to remain as the back up. Perhaps now they've extended Bidwell, they can use that to gather some sort of fee for him. Smart business.

Hopefully Birmingham come and spend over the odds for Bidwell…

 

[Evo1883]

Birmingham will be aiming higher than Jake bidwell I'm sure

 

[Great_Expectations]

This is true. I think JDS turnaround has been quite admirable. Credit to him, has had his fair share of abuse too. From what i've heard, they have a LB lined up, though he has made a case to remain as the back up. Perhaps now they've extended Bidwell, they can use that to gather some sort of fee for him. Smart business.

Exciting re the LB. Any idea what style of player? Is it the ‘LB MVE’ we all hope exists and is within our range?

Not sure what’s happened to Bidwell, he was the obvious experienced back up for next year, but he’s absolutely nose dived and not from a particularly high height.

 

[Jimmy87]

Birmingham will get exposed next season imo because they have spent massively on decent Championship players. It’s pretty common for teams to get 95-100 points in L1 and struggle in the championship.

People have said we overspent on Rudoni and frankly, it looks like great value and wouldn’t have minded if we were ‘fleeced’ for a few million more.

Yeah, i think they will be exposed. Did you watch their cup final?

I think Rudoni can go on to improve even further, he was poor today, but everyone was. His willingness to learn and the extra time he puts in after training is what will set him apart. We could make a great profit on him eventually.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Who else are you going to play there?

I wouldn't play that way away from home TBF

 

[Diogenes]

Wright has a MPG of 147 according to the stats, the best in the championship.

It took me a while to work out what MPG was. At first I thought it was miles per game and it took a while to register he can't possibly be running 147 miles a game

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

As they are without sheaf ? Means nothing because ellis is barely contributing

He did last season so does that count for nothing in your view?

He’s still a young player and has 2 years on his contract, give him time.

 

[Jimmy87]

Exciting re the LB. Any idea what style of player? Is it the ‘LB MVE’ we all hope exists and is within our range?

Not sure what’s happened to Bidwell, he was the obvious experienced back up for next year, but he’s absolutely nose dived and not from a particularly high height.

I heard after the Stoke game that we had identified a LB (that can also play LCB), whether we go up or not. I messaged Saddle to see if he had heard the same as me and he said he had, so i'm hoping that's nailed on. There are 3 first team players looking to leave / be moved on.

Not sure with regards to Bidwell, maybe the injuries? but that's speculation on my part. He would make a solid LB for a mid-lower champ side in my opinion, i think extending his contract has given us a chance to recoup some money.

 

[Evo1883]

He did last season so does that count for nothing in your view?

He’s still a young player and has 2 years on his contract, give him time.

He had a good spell last season yes , we've given him enough time , sell him and buy better

 

[Jimmy87]

Hopefully Birmingham come and spend over the odds for Bidwell…

Who knows. I'm sure someone would benefit from his experience.

 

[SleepyGinger]

Think we overpaid for both Simms and Wright, but I’ll probably get pelters for the latter.

When you look at some of the money being spent in the championship last couple of seasons Wright definitely wasn’t an over pay

 

[Gint11]

I think we'll see BTA leave before Simms.

Yeah. He can go too. He was a pointless signing.

 

[Great_Expectations]

I heard after the Stoke game that we had identified a LB (that can also play LCB), whether we go up or not. I messaged Saddle to see if he had heard the same as me and he said he had, so i'm hoping that's nailed on. There are 3 first team players looking to leave / be moved on.

Not sure with regards to Bidwell, maybe the injuries? but that's speculation on my part. He would make a solid LB for a mid-lower champ side in my opinion, i think extending his contract has given us a chance to recoup some money.

Appreciate the info - sounds promising!

Interesting on the 3 outbound; nailed on BTA for 1, after that it could be one of a few; Allen, Eccles, Binks, Lati all spring to mind.

 

[SleepyGinger]

I heard after the Stoke game that we had identified a LB (that can also play LCB), whether we go up or not. I messaged Saddle to see if he had heard the same as me and he said he had, so i'm hoping that's nailed on. There are 3 first team players looking to leave / be moved on.

Not sure with regards to Bidwell, maybe the injuries? but that's speculation on my part. He would make a solid LB for a mid-lower champ side in my opinion, i think extending his contract has given us a chance to recoup some money.

Domestic signing or abroad?

 

[Jimmy87]

Domestic signing or abroad?

I heard domestic, Saddle said he had heard the same. That's why i'm hoping it's nailed on. The fact it was said specifically 'whether we go up or not' led me to believe that discussions may have already been ongoing.

 

[Evo1883]

I heard domestic, Saddle said he had heard the same. That's why i'm hoping it's nailed on. The fact it was said specifically 'whether we go up or not' led me to believe that discussions may have already been ongoing.

So that would indicate a high quality signing then , considering its up or not

 

[Para1140]

Simms was poor today however he wasnt the only one and wasnt responsible for the three goals we conceded.
Wright was just as poor and other than his goal which incidently was created by Simms header being saved Wright looked like he couldnt be arsed and that header that he missed from two yards out was criminal and could have changed the game.

MVE was terrible and Saka none existent. Our build up play was so slow and consisted of backwards and sideways passing but the biggest worry today was yet again poor goals let in by Collins who seems to be unable to save any shots on target.
Beaten at his near post twice and letting the ball through his hands. Our defence must be terrified anytime the opposition have a shot.
Enough is enough now and how many points this season has he cost us with error after error. We keep giving him the benefit of doubt and hoping he will improve but even if we manage to get in the playoffs we have no chance of winning against Shef or Bristol with ten men and a paper straw in goal