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Mr T - Sukka! · Feb 11, 2014

Valiant does have a point.

The sixfeilds move will cost way more than a cheap rental deal at the ricoh. They should have paid the rent.

Hoffman offered to pay the rent for 3-5 years.

Council offered free rent then 2 years at 100k.

But no thats not good enough for SISU.

They would rather slum it losing more in Northampton.

Do SISU know what theu are doing? I doubt it.

valiant15 · Feb 11, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
Don't let it disappear just yet.. Afterall we are CCFC fans and I will buy you a drink at Tranmere if you're there

Brentford away will probably be my next one. Another travelodge and a night out on the cards me thinks.

ccfc92 · Feb 11, 2014

runner said:
Yeah ... he's being realistic ... never had a chance really, if we'd kept Leon and Callum had stayed fit ... just maybe, but mid table and thus League one status, hopefully this time with no -10 points deduction from the outset and a top 6 can happen next year !

That's what we said last season :thinking about:

duffer · Feb 11, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
Correct. The decision was made by ACL to not accept the CVA, for what or who's benefit nobody has ever explained.

I think ACL did explain their reasons, and with a reasonable degree of clarity, here...

http://www.football.co.uk/coventry_city/acl_not_stopping_ccfc_ltd_being_liquidated_rss4395693.shtml

ACL’s motivation for rejecting the CVA was about much more than pure financial interest. Along with various other parties, ranging from Sky Blues fans and Supporters Direct through to local MPs and potential bidders, ACL was not happy with the way the administration process was run.

Accepting the CVA would have been a tacit approval of a process that few people save Sisu and the administrator had any faith in. Along with HMRC, ACL rejected the CVA.

We did so because we have significant doubts about how the process has been managed – particularly with new evidence that the administrator should have been aware of coming to light on an almost weekly basis.

You may not agree with why they did it, but there's your explanation for why they did it.

As to why we ended up in a position where this deduction could have happened, that's easy - our owners chose not to pay the rent.

valiant15 · Feb 11, 2014

skyblue1991 said:
Who knows what would have happened. Just to remind you ACL started the administration process off and it's cost us 20 points.

If ACL didn't file then who know's what may have happened. But the above is a stone cold fact.

So if you ran a business and another business owed you a million quid i take it you'd wave it then?

torchomatic · Feb 11, 2014

PWKH didn't agree with it either, did he?

duffer said:
I think ACL did explain their reasons, and with a reasonable degree of clarity, here...

http://www.football.co.uk/coventry_city/acl_not_stopping_ccfc_ltd_being_liquidated_rss4395693.shtml

You may not agree with why they did it, but there's your explanation for why they did it.

As to why we ended up in a position where this deduction could have happened, that's easy - our owners chose not to pay the rent.

Tonylinc · Feb 11, 2014

All this rubbish about ACL/Council being responsible for our 10 point deduction is just that RUBBISH. If Shitzu had paid the rent which they agreed to upon buying CCFC or alternatively entered into meaningful discussions and negotiations regarding the rent we would not be in this position now. Any other interpretation of events is plainly wrong.

James Smith · Feb 11, 2014

[Moderator Hat On]I've cleaned up this thread and I don't want to have to do it again so please lay off the references to private hire vehicles, taxis, hackney carriages, space shuttles etc.[Moderator Hat Off]

Thank you for your understanding and co-operation.

James Smith · Feb 11, 2014

At least Elvis is being realistic and the fact that we're not facing a dramatic struggle to get out of the bottom three at this stage in the season is nothing short of a miracle.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 11, 2014

I think that is absolutely right - avoiding relegation is a significant effort. The fear is the budget for next year and who we can sign for a packet of crisps and a star bar!

James Smith · Feb 11, 2014

Sky Blue Pete said:
I think that is absolutely right - avoiding relegation is a significant effort. The fear is the budget for next year and who we can sign for a packet of crisps and a star bar!

Ooh that reminds me of the Maverick bars they launched when I was at Uni, I could eat those like there was no tomorrow - a king size bar before a night out was perfect and always had a spare somewhere in the bedroom just in case I was hungry when I got home.

ccfcway · Feb 11, 2014

i had to google maverick, never heard of them. the look bloody nice

skyblue025 · Feb 11, 2014

I think we will have less chance next season. Mousse and Christie both out of contract with Clarke already gone it's going to be another rebuilding job. There will probably be offers some of our other better players so every chance it will be another new team. Sorry for the doom and gloom, just the way i see it.

James Smith · Feb 11, 2014

ccfcway said:
i had to google maverick, never heard of them. the look bloody nice

I lived off those for a while did my waistline no good at all but the frequent trips to the chip shop also didn't help. I bought almost a bag full of them when Tesco mispriced them one weekend 20p each was a steal.

Houchens Head · Feb 11, 2014

Can't say I remember Maverick bars. I Googled it as well but can't for the life of me recall them? I lived on Lion bars in the early 1970's when I worked at the old Morris Engines on what is now the AT7 site. I used to clock on and head straight for the vending machine and almost empty it of Lion bars! Saw me through long night shifts!

James Smith · Feb 11, 2014

Houchens Head said:
Can't say I remember Maverick bars. I Googled it as well but can't for the life of me recall them? I lived on Lion bars in the early 1970's when I worked at the old Morris Engines on what is now the AT7 site. I used to clock on and head straight for the vending machine and almost empty it of Lion bars! Saw me through long night shifts!

Probably why they aren't around any more. Lion bars also nice but not a patch on a Maverick. Used to try and make myself think they were slightly healthy because they had fruit in.

RoboCCFC90 · Feb 12, 2014

Eleven Points off it's not impossible but the results will really need to go our way with respect to the teams above us and with 17 games remaining we will need to win at least 14 to stand a chance IMO.

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torchomatic · Feb 12, 2014

I think it's a massive achievement and a testament to SP and the team that we even got within touching distance of the playoffs with the start we had to the season.

Sky Blue Kid · Feb 12, 2014

Come on James!!!...............You moderate this thread because we talk about Taxis, then promptly hijack it with fooking Maverick bars!?!?!

Hobo · Feb 12, 2014

Side stepping the rutting stags on this thread who want to wallow in the politics yet again (important yes, but non of you are saying anything new).

Pressley again gets it right. The play off places are probably slipping out of reach, unless we go on a 7 or 8 game run.

He is right to see this season as a building block for next season. We need to get into the top four bracket which we aren't at the moment (even if the ten points were given back). So we are a little short at the moment, but we have come a long way this season on the playing field at least.

Against County I was really disappointed with Baker (never been that convinced about him although he can have flashes of brilliance). It wasn't so much his poor performance, it was his role as captain...I saw no leadership. We are a very quiet team on the pitch.

Moussa who I do rate, was too easily marked out the game and I feel he is more effective from midfield. I think we desperately need Fleck in the middle, we are never the same without him. But I would like to see Pressley give him and Barton a go together in the middle.

Adams who often looks steady and accomplished seems to fall apart when he has a player who is happy to take him on and run at him. Confidence seems to drain from him when he has that sort of opponent.

Want to see more of the Fonz. The service he got was shocking on Saturday. He showed one or two decent flicks and touches but in areas on the pitch where it wasn't going to do any damage. Early days with the loan players.

James Smith · Feb 12, 2014

Sky Blue Kid said:
Come on James!!!...............You moderate this thread because we talk about Taxis, then promptly hijack it with fooking Maverick bars!?!?!

The Taxis were straying into politics in a way that may have caused offence to people. If you're offended by my favourite chocolate bar do let me know.

In all seriousness though they were great as a post match snack washed down with a can of Coke on the Virgin train back to London.

torchomatic · Feb 12, 2014

Racism should be moderated regardless of how mild or "harmless" it seems. Chocolate bars shouldn't.

Sky Blue Kid said:
Come on James!!!...............You moderate this thread because we talk about Taxis, then promptly hijack it with fooking Maverick bars!?!?!

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Feb 12, 2014

duffer said:
I think ACL did explain their reasons, and with a reasonable degree of clarity, here...

http://www.football.co.uk/coventry_city/acl_not_stopping_ccfc_ltd_being_liquidated_rss4395693.shtml

You may not agree with why they did it, but there's your explanation for why they did it.

As to why we ended up in a position where this deduction could have happened, that's easy - our owners chose not to pay the rent.

Despite the above, it is widely rumoured that ACL did indicate they would accept the CVA, provided SISU agreed to a contrast sitting outside the remit of the administration process pertaining to the football club staying at the Ricoh, with a new rent level on a short term basis. And this was turned down.

Forget Fernando saying he's never seen an explanation as to why the CVA was rejected, as it's been on here many times, but seemingly invisible to those who don't want to acknowledge it - but there's a bigger question they should answer - and that's Torchy, Grenduffy, city4life, RFU, edgey - all of them; and it's this:

If, as rumoured, a deal was offered which would have seen ACL agree to the CVA, which would have kept CCFC at the Ricoh on a medium term contract and on reduced rentals AND avoid the 10 point deduction, and this was refused by SISU; who's really to blame?

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Feb 12, 2014

As per my point above, taken from here: http://aprisonofmeasuredtime.wordpr...or-the-owners-of-coventry-city-football-club/

At this point, ACL, as landlords at the Ricoh, had offered a new rental deal, below market value at £120,000 per year, rolling over a period of 10 years with break clauses, in an attempt to convince Otium and SISU to allow the club to remain in the city of its name. If this and other conditions were agreed, ACL would sign the CVA to bring CCFC Ltd out of administration. ACL’s statement after the final creditors meeting also included the following:

It is interesting to note Mr Fisher’s failure to mention Ms Seppala’s verbal statement during this meeting [on the 25th July], made in the presence of her own lawyers that the only circumstance in which the Club would return to the Ricoh would be upon SISU assuming full ownership of the venue without any negotiation on purchase price. Ms Seppala also stated at this meeting her intention to continue to threaten ACL and its shareholders with expensive litigation at every possible opportunity. Perhaps the fact that Mr Fisher was not himself present at this meeting has distorted his view of what was really discussed.

stupot07 · Feb 12, 2014

It was rumoured that it was 2 conditions not just the rental offer but also the dropping of the JR.

Appleton said they couldn't be included as part of the CVA, the deadline was looming and instead of accepting the CVA and negotiating the deal outside of the CVA they just rejected, the initially claimed they did it for the fans so a thorough investigation could take place, then back tracked as said they didn't agree with the Administration process.

Other than moral high ground they have gained nothing, but by giving the club 10 point deduction they gave sisu another excuse not to return.

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Mary_Mungo_Midge · Feb 12, 2014

stupot07 said:
It was rumoured that it was 2 conditions not just the rental offer but also the dropping of the JR.

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Yes, it was rumoured; I can't find any references to it, but let's stay with it as being a condition for the purposes of debate. Will you now answer the question?

Exit CVA with ACL's blessing, no 10 point deduction, still playing at the Ricoh and the JR behind us. Is that a deal so bad for SISU that they has to refuse the offer and take us to Northampton?

aodea · Feb 12, 2014

to be fair i dont think anyone would have thought we would at anypoint be in touching distance of the playoffs this year. We have had some smashing results but definitly a level of inconstancy with results and performances. Young players will tend to be more up and down in there performances than a player who is a lttle older.

Players like Fleck and Wilson have kicked on this year. If they up there performances again next term be a big help. Moussa and Baker tend to be great in some games and missing in others. Losing Clarke will mean that the season is effectively over from a playoff point of view. We need to focus on getting players games and experinces and see what Pressley can do in the summer. If they can bring in a few more players and improve the squad and its depth then we will have a fighting chance of play offs next year.

think we can beat anyone in this divison on our day but we can also lose to anyone when we play poorly as shown by Notts county.

stupot07 · Feb 12, 2014

Whether we agree with sisu or not, they obviously think they have a case to be answered through the JR and feel they have been wronged.

We all know moving to Northampton makes no short term financial sense.

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Mary_Mungo_Midge · Feb 12, 2014

stupot07 said:
It was rumoured that it was 2 conditions not just the rental offer but also the dropping of the JR.

Appleton said they couldn't be included as part of the CVA, the deadline was looming and instead of accepting the CVA and negotiating the deal outside of the CVA they just rejected, the initially claimed they did it for the fans so a thorough investigation could take place, then back tracked as said they didn't agree with the Administration process.

Other than moral high ground they have gained nothing, but by giving the club 10 point deduction they gave sisu another excuse not to return.

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Two points: I think you'll find it was SISU who claimed they had no visibility of any agreement which sat outside the administration process, and wouldn't entertain such.

Second point: I notice you won't answer the question - which couldn't have been framed any more concisely. And 'city4life', despite being invited too, decides to 'like' your incomplete response too, as opposed to answering either.

I think I'll get back to work; as this is a frankly astonishing level of stubbornness

Sky Blue Kid · Feb 12, 2014

Five boys chocolate mmmmmmm Five faces on the chocolate from crying to happy. anyone remember?

stupot07 · Feb 12, 2014

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Two points: I think you'll find it was SISU who claimed they had no visibility of any agreement which sat outside the administration process, and wouldn't entertain such.

Second point: I notice you won't answer the question - which couldn't have been framed any more concisely. And 'city4life', despite being invited too, decides to 'like' your incomplete response too, as opposed to answering either.

I think I'll get back to work; as this is a frankly astonishing level of stubbornness

pot and kettle springs to mind.

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Deleted member 5849 · Feb 12, 2014

Hobo said:
Side stepping the rutting stags on this thread who want to wallow in the politics yet again (important yes, but non of you are saying anything new).

Pressley again gets it right. The play off places are probably slipping out of reach, unless we go on a 7 or 8 game run.

He is right to see this season as a building block for next season. We need to get into the top four bracket which we aren't at the moment (even if the ten points were given back). So we are a little short at the moment, but we have come a long way this season on the playing field at least.

Against County I was really disappointed with Baker (never been that convinced about him although he can have flashes of brilliance). It wasn't so much his poor performance, it was his role as captain...I saw no leadership. We are a very quiet team on the pitch.

Moussa who I do rate, was too easily marked out the game and I feel he is more effective from midfield. I think we desperately need Fleck in the middle, we are never the same without him. But I would like to see Pressley give him and Barton a go together in the middle.

Adams who often looks steady and accomplished seems to fall apart when he has a player who is happy to take him on and run at him. Confidence seems to drain from him when he has that sort of opponent.

Want to see more of the Fonz. The service he got was shocking on Saturday. He showed one or two decent flicks and touches but in areas on the pitch where it wasn't going to do any damage. Early days with the loan players.

Hmm, while I agree with much of what you put.

Setting in context, the team has played superbly this season and overachieved. Also, the style of football's to be applauded.

Absolutely however, just comparing the team, if anything we've gone backwards from Robins' efforts IMHO, I'd have less confidence in us making the playoffs now than I would have done under Robins.

Building blocks for next season? Absolutely. So I hope the loanees are with a view to a permanent transfer or, if the playoffs are out of reach, all we're doing is getting them match fit and up to speed for somebody else.

Nervous about next season as, while I'm all for the youth and a small squad, we appear to be overdoing both just at the moment. And Pressley shifting his stance on loan players so rapidly concerns slightly.

Nick · Feb 12, 2014

I don't see what taxi licenses have to do with our manager giving up on play offs.

James Smith · Feb 12, 2014

There is no conspiracy here I asked nicely to lay off a particular subject that had annoyed some people. This continued today whilst I am at work and therefore not able to see everything posted and I may have missed the odd post. I would have locked this thread myself but can't do so via my phone which is the only access I have whilst in the shop.

Honestly guys and girls we're homeless, playing 35 miles from our home city and two divisions from where we should be - surely that's more important.

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