No it isn't.
Same difference
Wasps announce plans that involve removing netball facilities.
Wasps put money into local netball,.
No objections to removal of facilities from local netball organisations.
Simple enough for you?
Wasps announce plans that involve removing netball facilities.
Wasps put money into local netball,.
No objections to removal of facilities from local netball organisations.
I know you didn't ask me, but as I started this little sidebar, I will answer.What do you think they should do then?
Don't forget they get space in the programme as well.It's in the PFA rules that the players have to community engagement
So that is not optional.
So effectively unkess anybody knows any different we are talking about providing office space.
Which is fine unless you want to make out you are a pillar of the community?
Looks like they covered the all bases then.so, we aren't to worry about netball any more as wasps have it covered ?
I know you didn't ask me, but as I started this little sidebar, I will answer.
The club's (and owner's) current contribution to the city and it's people is not massive. They are the custodians of the name CCFC and they maintain a football team that we are all fans of (a not insignificant business, 125 full-time staff and 289 part-time stewards). SBITC has the club's nickname and badge and uses facilities and the time of CCFC players and staff to promote their activities. As I have mentioned, the club's actual contribution costs them a very small amount of time and space, but no actual hard cash. In addition to this the club has funded over £600k for the running of the academy, in excess of the £512k required to maintain Category 2 status.
There may well be other things but at the moment I can't recall a single piece of information about goodwill, charitable giving or community engagement that wasn't done through or by SBITC (who aren't funded in any way by CCFC).
Notwithstanding that, we committed to working more closely with local businesses in January 2015, but only joined the C&W chamber of commerce in April 2016. The C&W chamber website isn't up to much, but having looked at London's, they charge £2,500 per annum, so there's an investment of sorts there.
What should they do? More kids engagement, not necessarily through SBITC, but by improving JSBs. At the moment it's £25 for a season, but you get discounted tickets (£1 each). Personally, I'd do it differently and make membership free or £1 and then charge a little bit more for a ticket. Go to every primary school and give every kid a JSB pack/brochure and one free ticket. Get the fans young. Maybe they're already doing this, it's difficult to know for sure, but certainly a free JSB, or even free for 5 games wouldn't hurt and probably won't cost much.
What else? There's a litany of unkept promises and as one of the stated aims is to 'build trust with the supporters', the club could come clean about what has gone before and then try and start again with a clean slate. I don't know many fans who can trust the current owners or board, so there are many bridges to build here. That said, there are many with long memories and whilst the owners continue with court action, maybe this is a difficult step.
I know the club doesn't have a pot to piss in, so I guess any dreams of capital investment in new facilities (either the 'integrated academy and first team facility' or the mythical new stadium) will remain just dreams. Again, they could just be honest about these things and move on. SISU still own Ryton (the club don't own it, SISU do) so they could maybe put in some plans to develop the academy there? Again, this would require investment, which I don't suspect SISU will want to pay for and CCFC don't have much in the way of credit facilities.
I out of ideas for now and it's late. I'm all ears if anyone has any more.
It is a separate investment fund, I suspect it is a sub set of original investors who are still in and maybe a few others, but beneficial ownership is hidden so your guess is as good as mine.I'm pretty sure ARVO is a subsidiary of SISU. Part of the complicated structure set up to ensure that when the administrator was appointed, it was appointed by SISU.
Not sure about that blog. For some reason it was quite short lived. His contract as a lifetime fan must've ended.Agreed. I got my info from here (https://aprisonofmeasuredtime.wordp...try-city-and-sisu-capital-60-million-in-debt/). Just one guy's opinion though I guess.
Under charges. Document attached. You'll definitely make more sense of it than me.Is that entry under title or under charges? Because the 2015 Otium accounts include Otium as owning the freehold. The person who pulls all the strings I believe is Seppala
Preferential shares are owned by ARVO and SBS&L. The ordinary shares in SBS&L are owned by Sconset ( ) and L Brody
Registered office of SBS&L and SISU Capital is now 96 Kensington High Street London W8 4SG on 13 November 2015
From Companies House documents. Funds A to E were the original investors in SBS&L
SISU group members
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His name is Richard Baskott and having had a quick poke around, he posted on here as @Skybluesquirrel. Last post November 2014.
SBITC has the club's nickname and badge and uses facilities and the time of CCFC players and staff to promote their activities.
The registered office of SBITC is actually the Ricoh.
From memory (so I might be wrong) I think ACL for a time used to let them use some offices at the Ricoh, not sure about the cost but think it might have been for free
The phone number listed for Busst starts 02476 786xxx which corresponds with other Ricoh Arena phone numbers. The Butts has a completely different set of numbers. So if they are still based at the Ricoh and CCFC don't rent any space there who's paying for the office space?The SBITC site still has their address there as well. Seems strange that given the accounts state that CCFC provide the facilities, but we don't use anywhere at the Ricoh day to day. I do remember seeing Dave Busst at the Butts ticket office regularly so I'd suggest that's the space used. Still odd though.
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Wouldn't they have just been using the offices paid for by the club, when we were paying £1.3m rent and had the shop and a couple of offices at the Ricoh?The registered office of SBITC is actually the Ricoh.
From memory (so I might be wrong) I think ACL for a time used to let them use some offices at the Ricoh, not sure about the cost but think it might have been for free
No, this is from the most recent accounts. Year ending Dec 2014. The website, I assume, is also up to dateWouldn't they have just been using the offices paid for by the club, when we were paying £1.3m rent and had the shop and a couple of offices at the Ricoh?
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I was under the impression they were based at ryton now. No mention of acl gifting them premises, and just because the Ricoh is listed as the business address does not mean that they don't use ryton.No, this is from the most recent accounts. Year ending Dec 2014. The website, I assume, is also up to date
Agreed and no-one has ever mentioned ACL in relation to them before. @oddskyblue58 spotted the address and I guess he, like me, found it strange.I was under the impression they were based at ryton now. No mention of acl gifting them premises, and just because the Ricoh is listed as the business address does not mean that they don't use ryton.
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Sorry for the old(ish) bump but couldn't find a more up to date thread on this matter.
The main pitch at the Alan Higgs Centre is currently having maintenance done to it and rugby posts are now up at either end
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