Ethics Commitee Meeting Tomorrow (25 Viewers)

Nick · Nov 30, 2015

5of5) as in my report,email by @coventrycc officer Lisa Commane said council cabinet leaders "endorsed media war". Mutton/Lucas?No inquiry?

OffenhamSkyBlue · Nov 30, 2015

hill83 said:
So is the Mr Goacher the one making the final decision? He's firing out headlocks at the moment.

He presents his "evidence" to the Ethics Committee (that's a f**king joke for starters - 4 of Lucas's buddies), then they say no-one did anything wrong ... err, sorry ... they come to a reasoned and objective decision as to whether the complaint has any basis in fact.

Nick · Nov 30, 2015

Mr Goacher says he doesn’t see any evidence that the alleged media campaign was put into action. he said: “When you follow the schedule (of emails) and what was actually said, it doesn’t seem to have been replicated. There’s no evidence of that.

“It isn’t translated to press comments to support this is what was going on.”

Surely the bit where it says the job was done on Sepalla early confirms something was done?

Is this guy an independent investigator or the council's defence?

Are they looking at the same documents as on the council's website? The one where they discuss how they are going to target her and then say the job was done early on?

Whether she deserves it or not, it sounds like there's some serious bullshit going on.

chiefdave · Nov 30, 2015

Council are up to their neck in it here. Sure there won't be any punishment for them but surely nobody can be following this and looking at the evidence and still believe there was ever any chance of us owning the Ricoh.

The council have well and truly screwed the club just so they can stick two fingers up at SISU. Thats becoming very clear.

chiefdave · Nov 30, 2015

Specs WT-R75 said:
It's all an absolute shambles to be honest. I've said this from day one that whilst SISU are no angels the council unfortunately has an obligation to deal with them in the interests of the City and not their own personal vendettas... and if they are not able to put their feelings to a side they need to step down.

This is a key point for me. Its not two private companies going at it. This is our council and, ultimately, our football club. The fact that the council were quite happy to do who knows how much long term damage to the football club just to get one over on its current owners is disgraceful.

MusicDating · Nov 30, 2015

"Mr Goacher says he doesn’t accept that it’s a “valid criticism” of his report that he has failed to distinguish between Sisu and Coventry City FC - an element of his report highlighted by Sisu’s legal representatives.He says there’s an “obvious” link between the two organisations and that they can’t be considered entirely separately."

So SISU and CCFC are 'obviously linked' but ACL and Council are not. Righty-ho.

Nick · Nov 30, 2015

MusicDating said:
"Mr Goacher says he doesn’t accept that it’s a “valid criticism” of his report that he has failed to distinguish between Sisu and Coventry City FC - an element of his report highlighted by Sisu’s legal representatives.He says there’s an “obvious” link between the two organisations and that they can’t be considered entirely separately."

So SISU and CCFC are 'obviously linked' but ACL and Council are not. Righty-ho.

Ha exactly.

Especially when there are council people involved who had nothing to do with ACL.

Nick · Nov 30, 2015

I wonder how the "5 things we learnt today" is going to go?

Grendel · Nov 30, 2015

Where's Wasps Tony and Italia? Strangely silent today.

Skyblueweeman · Nov 30, 2015

MusicDating said:
"Mr Goacher says he doesn’t accept that it’s a “valid criticism” of his report that he has failed to distinguish between Sisu and Coventry City FC - an element of his report highlighted by Sisu’s legal representatives.He says there’s an “obvious” link between the two organisations and that they can’t be considered entirely separately."

So SISU and CCFC are 'obviously linked' but ACL and Council are not. Righty-ho.

Yet earlier in one of the documents it said that AL chaired the ACL Shareholders Committee whilst leading the council....:thinking about:

Nick · Nov 30, 2015

Grendel said:
Where's Wasps Tony and Italia? Strangely silent today.

I think it will be ruled they did nothing wrong anyway so won't make much difference, all that will have been gained is some documents out in the open.

chiefdave · Nov 30, 2015

MusicDating said:
"Mr Goacher says he doesn’t accept that it’s a “valid criticism” of his report that he has failed to distinguish between Sisu and Coventry City FC - an element of his report highlighted by Sisu’s legal representatives.He says there’s an “obvious” link between the two organisations and that they can’t be considered entirely separately."

So SISU and CCFC are 'obviously linked' but ACL and Council are not. Righty-ho.

This Goacher is either a total idiot or totally on the council's side. How can ACL, who had council employees like Reeves and West, not be linked to the council but SISU and CCFC are indistinguishable and have to be considered one entity.

I dread to think how much he's been paid for this bollocks. Surely if on day 1 you don't know what the complaint you're supposed to be investigating is it would be a good idea to find out.

Grendel · Nov 30, 2015

Nick said:
I think it will be ruled they did nothing wrong anyway so won't make much difference, all that will have been gained is some documents out in the open.

The Ethics committee is crammed full of Labour councillors - hardly going to give their own a kick in. Like turkeys voting for Christmas

chiefdave · Nov 30, 2015

Grendel said:
Where's Wasps Tony and Italia? Strangely silent today.

They're probably in the meeting giving evidence for the council

Skyblueweeman · Nov 30, 2015

chiefdave said:
Council are up to their neck in it here. Sure there won't be any punishment for them but surely nobody can be following this and looking at the evidence and still believe there was ever any chance of us owning the Ricoh.

The council have well and truly screwed the club just so they can stick two fingers up at SISU. Thats becoming very clear.

And then I see articles like this and it truly p*sses me right off....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34941396

fernandopartridge · Nov 30, 2015

Obviously, greed is in the DNA of hedge funds, so rightly, the council decided not to do a deal with SISU and instead did a deal with Wasps, who aren't owned by a hedge fund.

bradwellskyblues · Nov 30, 2015

that article should be made into wallpaper and decorate all these councillors offices so they can realise on a daily basis how they have let down all fans of ccfc and cov rugby infact all sports fans in the city

Specs WT-R75 · Nov 30, 2015

skyblueweeman said:
and then i see articles like this and it truly p*sses me right off....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34941396

"we were looking to create a stable long-term business model that would take us forward over the next 250 years," he adds, referring to the length of their ricoh lease.
"with our previous business model, we were losing in the region of £3m to £4m a year. Our only revenue then was ticket sales. Food and beverage sales went to the football club, while other revenue went to our sponsors.

At least they know where we are coming from when we negotiate for the revenue that we generate... that's not to say we will get any spare change from them but at least they understand our predicament...

eastwoodsdustman · Nov 30, 2015

Should it be called a 'lack of decent ethics' committee?

Skyblueweeman · Nov 30, 2015

Specs WT-R75 said:
At least they know where we are coming from when we negotiate for the revenue that we generate... that's not to say we will get any spare change from them but at least they understand our predicament...

They'll probably 'forget' about such scenarios would be my guess.

Specs WT-R75 · Nov 30, 2015

Skyblueweeman said:
They'll probably 'forget' about such scenarios would be my guess.

Yep, conveniently...

Captain Dart · Nov 30, 2015

James Smith said:
I think you may need to cut your caffeine intake, this is as others have said council documents.

You may need to read my posts more carefully, I was referring to Les Reids observer article as linked in the OP, this I've already clarified.

Nick said:
It looks like the people judging it are councillors and people from the council with some who are close to Lucas? You can pretty much guarantee they will say nothing was done wrong can't you?

There are some documents here - http://democraticservices.coventry.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=161&MId=10965

An article here - http://coventryobserver.co.uk/news/coventry-councillors-set-reject-sky-blues-media-war-complaint-flawed-whitewash-report/

This bit is very interesting if true, isn't it?

MusicDating · Nov 30, 2015

Grendel said:
The Ethics committee is crammed full of Labour councillors - hardly going to give their own a kick in. Like turkeys voting for Christmas

Which SISU would have known full well. So are they going through this to get some anti-CC PR of their own (bit late for that) or just to get more info for the new year court case(s)?

Even the latter is a bit odd as the 'new to us' documents weren't new to SISU - 'Sisu lawyer says they were in their possession, but they only became relevant as a result of the report findings.'

SBAndy · Nov 30, 2015

Have not posted in what seems like an eternity, but I cannot fathom how a council ethics committee involving the leader can call upon a local cabinet member as a purportedly impartial party.

Nick · Nov 30, 2015

Adjourned until next year.

italiahorse · Nov 30, 2015

Grendel said:
Where's Wasps Tony and Italia? Strangely silent today.

Pub crawl in Hereford.
Why what's happened?
Can someone sum up before I loose consciousness ?

fernandopartridge · Nov 30, 2015

italiahorse said:
Pub crawl in Hereford.
Why what's happened?
Can someone sum up before I loose consciousness ?

The council conducted a PR campaign with the express objective of discrediting SISU and with it CCFC. They had denied previously that they had any oversight with the PR firm as it was commissioned by ACL. Evidence suggests that not to be the case. Council investigation was set up with the objective of exonerating its members without even attempting to investigate the nature of the complaint.

mechaishida · Nov 30, 2015

Seems this forum is famous again, there's someone called Garry Woollaston slagging it off publicly (scroll down to the comments):

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sp...ans-verdict-disappointment-shows-how-10525228

Former SBT member?

hill83 · Nov 30, 2015

Oi garry, what's your seat number you snivelling little wretch?

mechaishida · Nov 30, 2015

hill83 said:
Oi garry, what's your seat number you snivelling little wretch?

To be fair, he does seem to enjoy WRITING IN CAPS A LOT.

Take it he was on here then?

hill83 · Nov 30, 2015

No idea. BUT I'M GOING TO HUNT HIM DOWN AND LICK HIS FACE

mechaishida · Nov 30, 2015

HE SEEMS TO THINK WE NEED TO SMELL HIS COFFEE. You first.

Nick · Nov 30, 2015

mechaishida said:
Seems this forum is famous again, there's someone called Garry Woollaston slagging it off publicly (scroll down to the comments):

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sp...ans-verdict-disappointment-shows-how-10525228

Former SBT member?

That bloke is an absolute numpty (polite version).

he doesn't actually know what he is on about, keeps going on about SISU taking the higgs to court. Don't think he realises it was the higgs.

Looks like he was equally a plonker on here - http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/32492-Goodbye-CCFC-and-Sky-Blues-Talk?p=470130#post470130 He signed up and a couple of weeks later made a big announcement he was leaving. A fine example of the people who shout NOPM, but don't actually know what the hell they are talking about.

now he just foams up at every article on the telegraph site.

I like how they put those comments on an article about how far we have come this season.

Nick · Nov 30, 2015

hill83 said:
No idea. BUT I'M GOING TO HUNT HIM DOWN AND LICK HIS FACE

Got a thing for drool?

fernandopartridge · Nov 30, 2015

mechaishida said:
Seems this forum is famous again, there's someone called Garry Woollaston slagging it off publicly (scroll down to the comments):

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sp...ans-verdict-disappointment-shows-how-10525228

Former SBT member?

That bloke is a prick

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