Otis
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Just what sort of outcry do you think there would be if England picked Championship players!
It would all be talk of how low England have fallen and the death of English football.
Just what sort of outcry do you think there would be if England picked Championship players!I was thinking that, bale the most expensive player in the world sees him self as part of a team along side championship players.
I was thinking that, bale the most expensive player in the world sees him self as part of a team along side championship players.
Not a chance!So Coleman for England then?
Just saying! :-o
We started Italia 90 with a back 4 and soon changed it to 5 or a 3 whichever way you wanna look at it.Wales play 3 at the back and get to the semis
Euro 96 we play 3 at the back and make semi's
Italia 90 we play 3 at the back and make semi's
Just saying
We started Italia 90 with a back 4 and soon changed it to 5 or a 3 whichever way you wanna look at it.
Euro 96 we played 4 at the back in a xmas tree formation 4-3-2-1 which then manifested into a 4-4-2 at times.
Wel, yr wyf byth ! Fi jyst gwirio y llyfrau hanes a dim ond darganfod fy mod mod mewn gwirionedd yn y Gymraeg !
Just says 'Well I never! Just checked the history books and found out that I am actually Welsh! 'Excellently put. Apparently.
So Coleman for England then?
Just saying! :-o
Just says 'Well I never! Just checked the history books and found out that I am actually Welsh! '
Do you want your pocket money this week or not, you cheeky young whippersnapper!Excellently put in that case and something I can relate to without the books. Thanks Grandad
Indeed you're right about the Germany game, Kuntz.Your right I remember the famous xmas tree formation also. I heard Pearce on the radio talking about us playing 3 at the back though and we def were by the end of tournament as this was the team v Germany. ( I think it may have been as Neville was injured or suspended)
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Nowhere in my post did I mention passing. In most cases, Rooney is so slow he fails to control the ball and gives it away. He never gets to make the passes he should. Yes, when he has plenty of time and no-one is pressing him, he makes passes, usually sideways or backwards. That is the bare minimum you would expect of a very highly paid professional footballer. The fact is the entire team structure was organized around playing Rooney, which necessitated playing other players out of position.Every time he touched the ball against ICELAND he gave it away, but if you look at his stats for other games then you can only scratch your head as to why he was so poor.
Some of his passing stats against Russia:
Total pass accuracy - 88%
Short pass accuracy - 100%
Long pass accuracy - 100%
One touch pass accuracy - 100%
Free kick short pass accuracy - 100%
I didn't say you did mention passing. I just wanted to highlight some of his qualities. Against Iceland he was giving the ball away when he was under no pressure.Nowhere in my post did I mention passing. In most cases, Rooney is so slow he fails to control the ball and gives it away. He never gets to make the passes he should. Yes, when he has plenty of time and no-one is pressing him, he makes passes, usually sideways or backwards. That is the bare minimum you would expect of a very highly paid professional footballer. The fact is the entire team structure was organized around playing Rooney, which necessitated playing other players out of position.
Shows how bad our finishing was.French showing us how bad England were
Shows how bad our finishing was.
We WERE really bad. I don't believe for a single second we ARE really bad.No just how bad we are. How arrogant our players are. How behind we are. Making Hodgson the scapegoat is really not addressing the issue. In fact if you appoint an English manager who do you pick. The fact Pardew is even mentioned shows the problem. Influx of foreign players and managers in wrecking the game.
We WERE really bad. I don't believe for a single second we ARE really bad.
Wrong tactics, formations, players out of position, players not fit, players out of form.
Had we sorted all that out we could have easily gone further in this competition without doubt.
Yep and we keep getting it wrong and keep picking individuals rather than a team.Which everyone says after every competition.
We had Ericksson when we had some really good players in Beckham and Scholes and Gerrard and Owen and Ferdinand and Carrick and Ashley Cole and Campbell and Rooney and Lampard and Gary Neville, yet we went ultra defensive at times, trying to hold on to leads and defending far too deep.It was the difference between a team (!) and 11 uselful/good players... Have a look at Wales with just one "star" on their squad.
We had Ericksson when we had some really good players in Beckham and Scholes and Gerrard and Owen and Ferdinand and Carrick and Ashley Cole and Campbell and Rooney and Lampard and Gary Neville, yet we went ultra defensive at times, trying to hold on to leads and defending far too deep.
Wrong tactics.
Plain to see how many times we change things and play people out of position and players who should not have been picked.
Can't remember who said it (might have been Shearer), but he said that we had a system in place for the 16 qualifying games (or however many it was) this campaign, but then as soon as we reached the tournament we threw it out if the window and started chopping and changing and moving players about and out of their normal positions and comfort zones
Well there you go. Infighting and disagreements within the coaching staff. Says it all really.Don't know if anyone has posted this but some interesting facts in there:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jul/02/england-euro-2016-friction-roy-hodgson-gary-neville
Shows how bad our finishing was.
But we are talking about different things, I think. I think we are an average team. Think a lot of the talk is of the players not being good enough.
I am saying with the players we have we should be doing better as a team than we are.
I know our qualifying group wasn't strong, but we won every game. Every match and only let 3 goals in. I don't see how you can be a bad team winning every single match. Weak group but if we were such a bad team we would have struggled much more.
We are poor when it comes to tournaments and that points to something else, something mentally not right or ill preparation.
When you look back to the Eriksson era and the players we had, it is quite scandalous that we didn't have a better team.
We have failed for years and have always been found to be mentally lacking.
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