Has Grealish ever taken a penalty in a professional first-team game?
Oh yeah agreed on that 100%. There’s no getting around the fact that Rashford and Sancho’s penalties were really poor but to start coming out with that stuff is just bewildering, not sure what kind of sick mind does it.
Rashford is a very good penalty taker and has scored very high pressure pens before such as the one against PSG a few years backI’d go with confidence every time.
Lineker v Cameroon is the best example I can offer- under that type of pressure, unless you have nerves of steel you should pick a spot and hit it hard. That way if the keeper guesses right it still goes in- like Kane’s last night. if you’re going to try and roll it in or place it with less power then you’re lessening your chances straight away as if the keeper does guess right he’s probably going to keep it out.
It is what it is- Saka looked terrified and should never, ever have been asked to take that last one for me. Rashford and Sancho should not have been thrown to the wolves either- but there you go.
So, again, do we know how many UK accounts presented abuse? One known so far? On past form, much of it will be overseas shit stirrers who couldn't give a toss about the performance.
Rashford is a very good penalty taker and has scored very high pressure pens before such as the one against PSG a few years back
Has Grealish ever taken a penalty in a professional first-team game?
Sterling's record on penalties is poor, Grealish's barely exists.I thought Southgate got it wrong tactically and team selection tbh. He paid the price for some inepitude when the game was going away from us. Subs were far too late. As for penalties, the coach should have the balls to pick the takers and understand surely that a young Saka was not the ideal choice in such a final. Grealish, Sterling I understand wanted it but the manager stuck with the pre planned training stats. The final was not a training pitch! yeah he got it wrong last night and he will learn. but Italy unbeaten in 33 games tells you what you were up against. No disgrace for England overall, we were beaten by the better side on the night and of the tournament tbf.
Rashford had had a touch of the ball in all those games before being asked to take a high pressure penalty. Confidence wise I was really referring to Saka
There's only really Kane and Rashford who are.Sterling is not a good penalty taker
Sterling scored the winning penalty in the cup final v Chelsea few seasons backSterling's record on penalties is poor, Grealish's barely exists.
Tbf if anyone said that about City fans not going all the time they'd be called out on here for it. Not everyone can afford every game, especially away internationals.
How I seen the pens also after their miss if he scores that we go onto win,soon as I seen it was rashford I thought YES he’s a certain to bury this...feel for the ladsI just watched the whole game again. 90 mins extra time and pens.
On a different day we would’ve been 2-0 or 3-0 up by half time. We were all over them for the first 30 minutes and unfortunately it just didn’t quite drop for us. I also think the ref was pretty harsh on us on a few occasions, and I think there was a challenge on sterling in the box that was just as much a penalty as the Denmark challenge.
Mancini switched things up in the midfield, around 60 minutes in I think, and we struggled to respond to it. Mancini is a manager who has turned Italy around, has managed top teams in Europe and won the premier league as well as Serie A multiple times. There’s no shame in that is there really, to claim otherwise is disrespectful really. Southgate isn’t the finished article as a manager yet and that’s by his own admission also. Remember he never really sought the England job he sort of fell into it. Before that had only managed Middlesbrough I believe and then England youths.
Then for the penalties - honestly if Rashford buries his penalty then it’s game over to be honest. And he really should’ve scored.
All that to say - it genuinely could’ve went out way. I think that’s what makes it so hard to take to be honest, it would’ve been easier if they outclassed us throughout the whole game and beat us 3-0. They are a more experienced squad with a fantastic manager and haven’t been beaten in 33 games (now 34 I guess). It’s the fact that it was so close and by such fine margins.
I think Southgate is growing, I think the squad respect him and he has a very talented squad and he’s brought players through. I think he’s the right man for the job and will take us forward. I’ve never seen an England team as exciting to watch, and for that 2 minutes and 43 seconds seeing the game out against Denmark where we just oozed class…when have we ever seen anything even close to that from a team perspective for England?
It’s gutting because I am not sure we will get such a good opportunity. But maybe we can grasp a tougher one and succeed.
You won’t regret it. 35 quid a home game, lower tier behind the goal will help you build up caps pretty quickly. Can do that with the free membership and then do the paid one in early 2022. Should be said that if you paid to become an away member you’ll get an extra cap for renewing after Qatar and the home tickets drop to 20 quid from the start. 5 home games and then you start to save money in theory.Qatar way too unrealistic. Would love to get to Germany ‘24 though.
I just watched the whole game again. 90 mins extra time and pens.
On a different day we would’ve been 2-0 or 3-0 up by half time. We were all over them for the first 30 minutes and unfortunately it just didn’t quite drop for us. I also think the ref was pretty harsh on us on a few occasions, and I think there was a challenge on sterling in the box that was just as much a penalty as the Denmark challenge.
Mancini switched things up in the midfield, around 60 minutes in I think, and we struggled to respond to it. Mancini is a manager who has turned Italy around, has managed top teams in Europe and won the premier league as well as Serie A multiple times. There’s no shame in that is there really, to claim otherwise is disrespectful really. Southgate isn’t the finished article as a manager yet and that’s by his own admission also. Remember he never really sought the England job he sort of fell into it. Before that had only managed Middlesbrough I believe and then England youths.
Then for the penalties - honestly if Rashford buries his penalty then it’s game over to be honest. And he really should’ve scored.
All that to say - it genuinely could’ve went out way. I think that’s what makes it so hard to take to be honest, it would’ve been easier if they outclassed us throughout the whole game and beat us 3-0. They are a more experienced squad with a fantastic manager and haven’t been beaten in 33 games (now 34 I guess). It’s the fact that it was so close and by such fine margins.
I think Southgate is growing, I think the squad respect him and he has a very talented squad and he’s brought players through. I think he’s the right man for the job and will take us forward. I’ve never seen an England team as exciting to watch, and for that 2 minutes and 43 seconds seeing the game out against Denmark where we just oozed class…when have we ever seen anything even close to that from a team perspective for England?
It’s gutting because I am not sure we will get such a good opportunity. But maybe we can grasp a tougher one and succeed.
Do you think every defeat is the same? Would you view last nights defeat they same as the defeat to Iceland In 2016?This is just a list of ifs, buts, what-ifs and maybes.
We failed, and nothing will ever change unless we see it for what it is.
Do you think every defeat is the same? Would you view last nights defeat they same as the defeat to Iceland In 2016?
I thought Southgate got it wrong tactically and team selection tbh. He paid the price for some inepitude when the game was going away from us. Subs were far too late. As for penalties, the coach should have the balls to pick the takers and understand surely that a young Saka was not the ideal choice in such a final. Grealish, Sterling I understand wanted it but the manager stuck with the pre planned training stats. The final was not a training pitch! yeah he got it wrong last night and he will learn. but Italy unbeaten in 33 games tells you what you were up against. No disgrace for England overall, we were beaten by the better side on the night and of the tournament tbf.
Go fuck yourselfWhat a stupid thing to say.
Sterling has missed more penalties than he’s scored and Grealish isn’t a penalty take for Villa.
Sancho hasn’t missed and Rashford has scored 13 of 15 penalties (not sure if that includes last night). Saka was a surprise choice, especially for the 5th and final penalty. But, if he’s scoring them in training it’s not a stretch to put him as a penalty taker.
If Rashford scored his penalty, we win that shootout.
The reality is, the team who shoots first in a penalty shootout will win it around 60% of the time. 92% chance of scoring a penalty to win a penalty shootout versus 62% chance of scoring a penalty to avoid defeat.
The need to introduce a new ordering for penalty shootouts from XYXY to XYYX.
I’ve always thought the 3rd is the most crucial.If I’m not mistaken, the team who:
- take the first penalty
- miss first
- are the away team (technically they were)
have a statistical advantage of winning a shootout. Just so happened that Italy ticked all of the boxes.
Might be a bit of a stretch but I think Kane going first was wrong. First penalty is arguably the least pressurised of the lot.
I’ve always thought the 3rd is the most crucial.
If they miss though, pressure's right on. Rashford (accomplished penalty taker) scores his, and chances are we don't even need to take our 5th.Agree. It’s the first potential decider. I’ve no doubt that it was a ‘lead from the front’ type decision but I’d actually put your weakest taker of the 5 first.
Never understood why Ronaldo goes 5 . Last time they were in a shootout he didn't get the chance to take oneAgree. It’s the first potential decider. I’ve no doubt that it was a ‘lead from the front’ type decision but I’d actually put your weakest taker of the 5 first.
The most important is the one after the other team misses theirs,if rashford scores I think we go on to win but it’s not a blame game it’s a kick at goal from 12 yards I’m still in shock he misses as he’s such a good pen taker,once they missed and I see him walking up I was thinking we’ve got this...just wasn’t our day we will come againI’ve always thought the 3rd is the most crucial.
What a stupid thing to say.
Too many people happy enough wallowing in gallant failure and happy enough to lose even when we clearly should win. It’s a big problem, I don’t think any serious contender nation would be as happy to congratulate themselves for majorly blowing it as we are. The place is awash with people saying how “proud” they are- proud of what? We absolutely failed to do what was there for the taking. We’re happy to lose, there is some weird thing in too many peoples psyche where they seem to revel in failure.
If you’re not angry about how that match was thrown down the toilet as opposed to making excuses, well then it just goes to show a loser mentality
England the country – not the football team – needs to take a look at itself | Barney Ronay
The racism, violence and abuse are problems the sport can police, but only wider political and societal forces can solvewww.theguardian.com
'...England went unbeaten through the tournament with two central midfielders who have never played a Uefa club game. They got past Croatia, the Czech Republic, Germany and Denmark, also known as four-time world champs, the World Cup finalists and two previous winners of this tournament (one as Czechoslovakia). It is only unearned English arrogance that suggests these are unworthy opponents for a nation that hasn’t actually ever won this competition.
At the end of which it really does seem that this is the impossible job, that there are some who believe Southgate has simply been lucky, or has done a bad job as England manager.
This conclusion requires a degree of cognitive dissonance. Under Southgate England have reached two semi-finals in two attempts. Pre-Southgate England had reached three semi-finals in 70 years. Pre-Southgate they lost to Iceland, and were so bad at Euro 2012 it was hard to watch without developing a migraine and feelings of nausea. The manager can’t claim all the credit for this improvement. But he is a big part of the solution.'
It's not gallant failure to achieve something you've not done for 55 years, it's progress. The team is more comfortable on the ball and in the shirt than I've ever seen (since '86), so yer I am proud. Southgate's still learning international coaching and has made mistakes but I'm sorry it does come across as English arrogance to belittle the teams we did beat and assume we should have stuffed a team unbeaten in 33 games.
Anywho, it's done and now all about City...ST for me and my boy in hand (well not delivered yet!), can't wait for the Forest game
The fact Southgate didn’t get the subs on early and give them extra time cost us just give them 20-25 mins at least ffs
You'll still be quietly muttering this to yourself at Euro '76
To be fair though, that final will be looked back on in years to come as ‘the one we threw away’
Sterling has missed more penalties than he’s scored and Grealish isn’t a penalty take for Villa.
Sancho hasn’t missed and Rashford has scored 13 of 15 penalties (not sure if that includes last night). Saka was a surprise choice, especially for the 5th and final penalty. But, if he’s scoring them in training it’s not a stretch to put him as a penalty taker.
If Rashford scored his penalty, we win that shootout.
The reality is, the team who shoots first in a penalty shootout will win it around 60% of the time. 92% chance of scoring a penalty to win a penalty shootout versus 62% chance of scoring a penalty to avoid defeat.
The need to introduce a new ordering for penalty shootouts from XYXY to XYYX.
If I’m not mistaken, the team who:
- take the first penalty
- miss first
- are the away team (technically they were)
have a statistical advantage of winning a shootout. Just so happened that Italy ticked all of the boxes.
Might be a bit of a stretch but I think Kane going first was wrong. First penalty is arguably the least pressurised of the lot.
Never understood why Ronaldo goes 5 . Last time they were in a shootout he didn't get the chance to take one
Never understood why Ronaldo goes 5 . Last time they were in a shootout he didn't get the chance to take one
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