Everyone on the hill for Saturday (2 Viewers)

[Nick]

I disagree that us hillers would take any credit if we moved back.

But I'd agree our fan base isn't too bothered (not necessarily lazy) . I've been all the protests bar the ones in London.
I've been to ones outside the Ricoh with 100 people there thinking 'where is everyone??'

In the same year that we managed a sell out crowd of 30,000, we struggled to find 200 to protest each week against our club being moved outside its home city.

Fair enough the March was incredible, but at the same time why is that a one off for many?

We should have thousands protesting each week, in the city wherever.
NOPM, although I take part in it, isn't showing any signs of moving us back home anytime soon.
That's why I protest each week on the hill, because I think extra is needed.

This is not pointing fingers at anyone. Many of my group who I did go to the games with don't bothe

The march was successful because it wasn't aimed at a particular group, it was easy to do, it was local and it was well marketed. Didn't the telegraph have it on the front page or something to get down there? It also didn't mean missing games or sacrificing anything.

People will only join the fight when they agree with the method and the message I think.

 

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[covcity4life]

put a big screen on the hill.

 

[Grendel]

It's clear that you both think protesting on the hill is pointless (your opinion). So in the interest of fairness, what have you done (other than NOPM) to help?

I've bought a new horse - that's about as much help as standing on the hill.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Nothing then.

You're argument would be a lot more credible if you'd bothered or even suggested more effective means.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

The march was successful because it wasn't aimed at a particular group, it was easy to do, it was local and it was well marketed. Didn't the telegraph have it on the front page or something to get down there? It also didn't mean missing games or sacrificing anything.

People will only join the fight when they agree with the method and the message I think.

The idea is to raise media awareness is it not?

"It also didn't mean missing games or sacrificing anything" - I thought you said we were watching the game?

 

[Nick]

The idea is to raise media awareness is it not?

"It also didn't mean missing games or sacrificing anything" - I thought you said we were watching the game?

The idea is to bring the club back, not to get into the paper is it not?

The march suited all people, as proven by the turnout.

 

[pusbccfc]

The march was successful because it wasn't aimed at a particular group, it was easy to do, it was local and it was well marketed. Didn't the telegraph have it on the front page or something to get down there? It also didn't mean missing games or sacrificing anything.

People will only join the fight when they agree with the method and the message I think.

Just an honest question Nick...

If we were to have a large protest in town again, would it involve similar numbers?

My opinion would be no, because I worry people have give up

 

[Nick]

Just an honest question Nick...

If we were to have a large protest in town again, would it involve similar numbers?

My opinion would be no, because I worry people have give up

I don't think it would be as many as before, but it would be more than the hill for example.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

The idea is to bring the club back, not to get into the paper is it not?

The march suited all people, as proven by the turnout.

Just responding to your comment that the march was successful because is it was well publicised.

An increase in media awareness can only be a good thing. Not bothering to find out whether it or not it will make an impact is lazy.

I will be a 'hero' and do anything I can if it there's a chance it might help. If everyone sat on their arses and looked for reasons not to do something, nothing would get done.

"what have you achieved?" should be the question you say... Well, wouldn't that involve doing something first?

 

[Grappa]

It's clear that you both think protesting on the hill is pointless (your opinion). So in the interest of fairness, what have you done (other than NOPM) to help?

Jesus, you buy 3 vuvuzelas off ebay and plan to make your first trip to the hill and all of a sudden you're Lech Walesa.

 

[Monners]

If there was no-one on the hill at all, it would almost certainly attract comment from Sky (only maybe once) which would clealy send out a mesage that the vast majority of fans had all given up on the club (or team for the pedantic amongst us). A presence on the hill is likely to draw a similar amount of attention , but at least it will raise a bit of awarenes, however limited. The hill, another march, etc.. will not bring us back to Cov, but that isn't what protest does - it raises awareness, keeps the issues in the media consciuosness and it may lead to dialogue due to this; perhaps with the football authorities who have the most to lose reputationally.

 

[torchomatic]

I don't think that's the case. If there wasn't anyone on the hill then it wouldn't get mentioned as I doubt Sky are even aware of the hill protests. It's like them pointing a camera in the sky because there isn't a UFO flying above the stadium.

It may raise awareness but only to people on here. I know some have said it has got national attention. Where? On football websites? Whereas the boycott and a 90% drop in attendances has received national attention like the time it was features on the FLS.

If there was no-one on the hill at all, it would almost certainly attract comment from Sky (only maybe once) which would clealy send out a mesage that the vast majority of fans had all given up on the club (or team for the pedantic amongst us). A presence on the hill is likely to draw a similar amount of attention , but at least it will raise a bit of awarenes, however limited. The hill, another march, etc.. will not bring us back to Cov, but that isn't what protest does - it raises awareness, keeps the issues in the media consciuosness and it may lead to dialogue due to this; perhaps with the football authorities who have the most to lose reputationally.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Jesus, you buy 3 vuvuzelas off ebay and plan to make your first trip to the hill and all of a sudden you're Lech Walesa.

I'm not claiming to be anything. It's people relentlessly defending their right to do nothing that's making me look like Lech Walesa!

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

I don't think that's the case. If there wasn't anyone on the hill then it wouldn't get mentioned as I doubt Sky are even aware of the hill protests. It's like them pointing a camera in the sky because there isn't a UFO flying above the stadium.

It may raise awareness but only to people on here. I know some have said it has got national attention. Where? On football websites? Whereas the boycott and a 90% drop in attendances has received national attention like the time it was features on the FLS.

So what about the thousands and thousands of Soccer Saturday viewers around the country that saw the reporter for our match talk about the hill protestors. Something she couldnt fail to hide becuase they were in the top corner of her screen.

Or any neutral viewers of the game on Sunday.

They're all signed up members on here are they?

 

[Grendel]

I'm not claiming to be anything. It's people relentlessly defending their right to do nothing that's making me look like Lech Walesa!

Going on the hill isn't doing anything - don't you get it?

By the way I have done sonething;

Cancelled some bookings for conference facilities and the Ricoh and encouraged others to do the same

Persuaded some people in Yorkshire to go to Cardiff to see a concert informing them its vastly superior

If people protested outside the exhibition halls every day, advised people to avoid the place on social network sites that will have far more effect than hill standing.

 

[Monners]

The hill protests have had national media attention, both on Sky (who may well notice that this time no-one is there, so we have given up), and in the written media (I saw it in the Guardian and Observer). I clearly made the mistake of not including the drop in attendances as a form of protest, which of course it is and was also reported on. I don't think the football authorities give two hoots about the low attendances as long as the fixtures are fulfilled. As far as other forums are conerned, more obvious protest will keep the issue in the public domain (footie fans anyway), which may help put pressure on the League etc.. It may not of course, but isn't it at least worth a try. A little bit of protest inside the ground (not of the pitch invasion variety though as it would be reported negatively) would also help. I don't mean "Sisu out", but something focusing on us all wanting ot be back in Cov.

 

[Spionkop]

Ginetta, you enjoy the hill on Sunday and make a racket with those things. Good on you.

 

[Spionkop]

Hoping for a pitch protest on Sunday. Peaceful of course.

 

[Nick]

"what have you achieved?" should be the question you say... Well, wouldn't that involve doing something first?

Not really, I could say I have been out all day painting cats sky blue as it is doing something. Will it make a difference?

 

[dadgad]

If there was no-one on the hill at all, it would almost certainly attract comment from Sky (only maybe once) which would clealy send out a mesage that the vast majority of fans had all given up on the club (or team for the pedantic amongst us). A presence on the hill is likely to draw a similar amount of attention , but at least it will raise a bit of awarenes, however limited. The hill, another march, etc.. will not bring us back to Cov, but that isn't what protest does - it raises awareness, keeps the issues in the media consciuosness and it may lead to dialogue due to this; perhaps with the football authorities who have the most to lose reputationally.

Good post.
The FA and FL are desperate for issues like this to melt into the background.
Keeping the profile of the issues raised then eventually it becomes newsworthy....even amongst the media luvvies.
Cov in Cov!

 

[Nick]

So what about the thousands and thousands of Soccer Saturday viewers around the country that saw the reporter for our match talk about the hill protestors. Something she couldnt fail to hide becuase they were in the top corner of her screen.

Or any neutral viewers of the game on Sunday.

They're all signed up members on here are they?

The thing is, how many people took it in and paid attention to it on Soccer Saturday? It is being spouted as a major achievement because a commentator said a line about it. How many people really took it in and thought about it other than our fans?

 

[dadgad]

Not really, I could say I have been out all day painting cats sky blue as it is doing something. Will it make a difference?

That's brainless.....teach them the Eton boating song first.

 

[stupot07]

The idea is to raise media awareness is it not?

"It also didn't mean missing games or sacrificing anything" - I thought you said we were watching the game?

The original idea of NOPM was to show sisu we won't travel 35 miles to watch the club play 'home' games.....


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[dadgad]

The thing is, how many people took it in and paid attention to it on Soccer Saturday? It is being spouted as a major achievement because a commentator said a line about it. How many people really took it in and thought about it other than our fans?

Nick, with the greatest respect you come over as a bit of a know nothing do even less.
What causes start from one man saying enough?
Slavery, civil rights, emancipation, democracy, the NHS,.....the list is endless. If everybody listened to peeps like you we'd still be in caves, howling at the moon.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'm not claiming to be anything. It's people relentlessly defending their right to do nothing that's making me look like Lech Walesa!

Ginny Scargill, Ginny Scargill, we'll support you ever more.............

 

[fernandopartridge]

Nick, with the greatest respect you come over as a bit of a know nothing do even less.
What causes start from one man saying enough?
Slavery, civil rights, emancipation, democracy, the NHS,.....the list is endless. If everybody listened to peeps like you we'd still be in caves, howling at the moon.

Slavery wasn't started because of the collective will of the people was it? Surely you mean its abolition?

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Not really, I could say I have been out all day painting cats sky blue as it is doing something. Will it make a difference?

If we were out painting cats Sky Blue you may have a case...

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

The thing is, how many people took it in and paid attention to it on Soccer Saturday? It is being spouted as a major achievement because a commentator said a line about it. How many people really took it in and thought about it other than our fans?

Who knows? Can we say for certain that nobody thought "I wonder what that's all about?" then took a moment to look into it?

 

[pusbccfc]

The original idea of NOPM was to show sisu we won't travel 35 miles to watch the club play 'home' games.....


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Or standing in the hill shows we won't pay sisu to watch our team...

 

[stupot07]

Or standing in the hill shows we won't pay sisu to watch our team...

Or that you have enough willpower to properly boycott....


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[Chinny_Hill]

Going on the hill isn't doing anything - don't you get it?

By the way I have done sonething;

Cancelled some bookings for conference facilities and the Ricoh and encouraged others to do the same

Persuaded some people in Yorkshire to go to Cardiff to see a concert informing them its vastly superior

If people protested outside the exhibition halls every day, advised people to avoid the place on social network sites that will have far more effect than hill standing.

Me too, I unsubscribed from club e-mails only this week! We are all doing our bit!

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Or that you have enough willpower to properly boycott....


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Or you can't be arsed to make an effort so 'boycotting' must include sitting at home.

 

[Cheshire Sky Blue]

No Hill on Sunday, I have been told Police will not allow it this Sunday!!!. Apparently this happens on certain games when Northampton are playing at sixfields....

As there was no response at all stgeorge to the request to state who it was told you, is it fair to assume no one told you and that it is a figment of the imagination of the person who did not tell you?

 

[stupot07]

Or you can't be arsed to make an effort so 'boycotting' must include sitting at home.

Or I have shown my solidarity to 90% of city fans and not travelled to Northampton to watch the team I love...

Looks like channel 4 are doing a programme about you hillers...

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[Deleted member 5849]

Or that you have enough willpower to properly boycott....

Aren't you over-stating NOPM over-stated somewhat?

Sure, there are some who are indeed boycotting, but there are countless others who through circumstance (inability to go, lack of desire to see CCFC in Northampton etc.) aren't adding to the gate, aren't part of NOPM, but would like to see their team given the chance.

And isn;t something that says 'hi! We're here!' a good thing to remind ourselves of that?