you have got my vote brian!
well done KCIC- proper movement by fans to get ccfc back and giving them a chance to move forward.
Is he _brian_? If he was, and I was eligible to vote, he'd get mine everytime.
LOL!
Does it matter who he supports?
All the "usual suspects" getting their knickers in a twist. We only need MMM, Schmeee and SBJ for a full "condemnation" set. Funny how holding a banner with muppets on outside an empty office is "doing something" and this isn't.
You've got to laugh, haven't you?
Does it really matter anyway. To be honest you could probably stick a red rosette on Tim Fisher and he would get elected in Holbrooks. Even if by some miracle he was to win,the voting arithmetic changes from what 54-0 to 53-1,it would be a 48 hour story. Whether people like it or not most people in Coventry aren't willing to go to the stake over the Ricoh Arena, and certainly not in favour of SISU acquiring it just to aid an exit strategy, to help them recover some/all of their losses.So, sorry if this has been asked before, but what exactly is this protest parties policy on the Ricoh?
Because Grendel and Torch said so.
Just viewed the YouTube video. The guy is a joke and a Tottenham fan as well. The only plus in the whole thing is that CCFC's plight gets a mention. Yes it does matter that he is a Tottenham fan as no-one can claim that a passionate CCFC fan is fighting for his club ( which may have got him some sympathy votes ). He isn't. He has been offered the chance to get his name in the papers and taken it. He cannot change anything. A vote for him is a wasted vote.
lol council employeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I thought we were through with that on another thread. Learning difficulties? Comprehension problems? Or just good old "thick"?
lol council employeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
im gonna say you suffer from all 3
This is pretty spot on in my view. Brian / GCBTTR aren’t pushing a particular strategy apart from ‘get round the table and negotiate’.As i have stated many times I have a distrust of the current owners and in light of that my preference would be for the club to own 100% of a longer lease and CCC retaining the freehold with the lease having triggers that should certain events occur (place the club in admin, separate club and lease etc) the lease is terminated and returns to CCC. Would give the club all the benefits of ownership and both supporters and the council some protection against anything underhand from SISU or future owners.
With all due respect, you might want to question the reasons for your pride a bit.This is playing into SISU's hands. I'm not a leftie, but I am proud of the way that our council has not allowed itself to be blackmailed by SISU. Neither you nor Patton will get any votes from me.
So it's all part of a wider strategy by all fans groups is it? Have you consulted and got the backing of all of our fans groups involved in this?
We keep in touch with the Trust and talk about a lot. However, the point about a wider strategy by all fans groups is that we are doing our bit by holding the Council to account, KCIC/NOPM/Etc. are working on Sisu & the Trust cover areas in between (e.g. club accounts). It’s not a co-ordinated strategy by any means but we (GCBTTR) decided to fit into a particular gap and we see that as being part of the whole range of protest and action that needs to take place.So what pressure is Brian going to put on Sisu/Otium ?because as of yet (and you have had weeks to at least come up with something) we've not had a single thing about pressure on the most important people (Sisu/Otium) who can get us back to the Ricoh.
Coincidence is it to have interesting things come out against the Council in time for the JR?
Can you really guarantee that this candidate is totally independent because so far you have not been and also that if he was elected that no city services would suffer as a result of this?
Not wanting to step into a good ol' Friday Night Fight Night on SBTbut I'll pick up on a few things from yesterday and move onto more a bit later.
This is pretty spot on in my view. Brian / GCBTTR aren’t pushing a particular strategy apart from ‘get round the table and negotiate’.
There is so much potential variation between various leasehold options & strictures, details to be worked out WRT existing contracts and so forth.
One very, very important option needs to be thought about too: A multi-party agreement that would transfer the stadium to the club and then the club & stadium to a new owner. Everybody wins and this is something we’ll be talking about more as things progress I think.
With all due respect, you might want to question the reasons for your pride a bit.
Are you…
Proud of the fact that £millions less is coming into the city because the football team doesn’t play there?
Proud of the fact that rather than speak out about their plans for the future or ask questions councillors are being gagged by their leaders?
Proud of the fact that the opposition, rather than speak out, are complicit with the ruling group? Is this democracy in action in Coventry?
Proud of the fact that major investors in the city are being put off by the prospect of getting caught up in a similar scenario?
And so forth.
It is completely ridiculous that a council is refusing to negotiate on a stadium with a limited value and in doing so is preventing millions of pounds from being spent in the city.
We keep in touch with the Trust and talk about a lot. However, the point about a wider strategy by all fans groups is that we are doing our bit by holding the Council to account, KCIC/NOPM/Etc. are working on Sisu & the Trust cover areas in between (e.g. club accounts). It’s not a co-ordinated strategy by any means but we (GCBTTR) decided to fit into a particular gap and we see that as being part of the whole range of protest and action that needs to take place.
You’ve got a good point about the coincidence but it might be founded on something else. Why do you think that the JR is happening so long after the appeal was decided?
In answer to your last question, I would imagine that the council have bigger things on their mind such as planning for important things like local elections and deciding where to allocate money for the really important services in the city. Which is why i want to see exactly what is on your manifesto and should the unthinkable happen and your man gets in and it happens to affect those important services in some way and the good work that Ann Lucas is doing for the people of Coventry then I would imagine that there will be a lot more serious questions coming your way.
If your man does get in and then after the JR it comes to light that CCC and in particular Ann Lucas has done no wrong and proved that she at least tried to get CCFC back to Coventry, then will your man stand down straight away and issue an full apology for wasting everybodies time? You say at the top of your post that you aren't pushing any particular strategy but then lower down say that you want to hold the Council to account but then say you just want people to negotiate, it all sounds very confusing to me.
Perhaps they can come up with a compelling reason as to why sisu can be entrusted with the stadium then?
Whereabouts in Holbrooks do you live? Anywhere near the Parkgate? Is it any good nowadays? I haven't been in there since it became the New Parkgate Hotel or whatever it's called.
Well if you had anything about you then you would have seen that I have posted before about where I live and that is Browns Lane, so nice try. But then again maybe you have but you're going for a cheap laugh in which case, fuck me you're funny.
We have just had an impartial judgement, which the judge claimed to be a nil nil draw, but some want to believe that SISU won because they quoted excerpts from emails which mean CCC must be the bad guys and more will come out. Watch this space etc. etc.. So I think the JR may still not be the end of the dispute, especially if there are appeals.
Very important distinction needs to be highlighted here. The judge referred to the decision on costs as a nil-nil draw, not the outcome of the case. IIRC Simon Gilbert reported the latter but the transcript says otherwise.
Very important distinction needs to be highlighted here. The judge referred to the decision on costs as a nil-nil draw, not the outcome of the case. IIRC Simon Gilbert reported the latter but the transcript says otherwise.
From the transcript:
MR JUSTICE LEGGATT: ... These days, the usual approach is not, as it once was, to treat the counterclaim and the claim independently; it's to look overall at who the winner is and it seems to me that this is a case which has effectively ended as a nil-all draw, if I'm allowed to use the comparison.
He was talking about the award of costs, but he does that in reference to winners and losers. He refers specifically to the case ending as a nil-all draw. What conclusion did you draw, Rob?
I'm rapidly drawing a conclusion about you.
WRT Ann Lucas it is because she is leader so represents the Council as a whole. In an ideal world our slate would have been against Ann Lucas (Lab, Holbrook), Michael Gammon (Con, Earlsdon) Phil Townsend (Lab, Lower Stoke) & Julia Lepoidevin (Con, Woodlands) based on leadership (AL & PT) and marginality (MG & JL) and to cover both political parties.
If we were solely bothered about votes Brian Patton would run in Henley as that is where he has the best name recognition & polling record but that doesn't really make the point of calling the Council to account.
One thing I will say is that I like Ann Lucas a lot and there's nothing personal about this as far as I'm concerned, but she is the leader at the moment and has presided over the past 12 months of this saga (on the CCC side) so it's her that gets the fun of an extra opponent in her ward.
WRT Ann Lucas it is because she is leader so represents the Council as a whole. In an ideal world our slate would have been against Ann Lucas (Lab, Holbrook), Michael Gammon (Con, Earlsdon) Phil Townsend (Lab, Lower Stoke) & Julia Lepoidevin (Con, Woodlands) based on leadership (AL & PT) and marginality (MG & JL) and to cover both political parties.
If we were solely bothered about votes Brian Patton would run in Henley as that is where he has the best name recognition & polling record but that doesn't really make the point of calling the Council to account.
One thing I will say is that I like Ann Lucas a lot and there's nothing personal about this as far as I'm concerned, but she is the leader at the moment and has presided over the past 12 months of this saga (on the CCC side) so it's her that gets the fun of an extra opponent in her ward.
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