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[shmmeee]

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And the bit about Hamer being the better player is, once again, showing utter disrespect to Gyokeres.

it was Hamer Robins was willing to sell start of last season ahead of Gyokeres and O'Hare after all, and Gyokeres who went for the most cash. Just because he doesn't play golf or smile as much seems to go against him.

Bollocks. Vik was a striker and went with that premium. Gus was always a better all round player. Vik does one thing very very well.

 

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[BackRoomRummermill]

Keep the Hamer love-in going, guys.

Been watching the Spurs game and apart from the free- and corner kicks, Hamer has been pretty quiet. In fact, for the better part of the second half, he's spent it walking around the pitch like he's playing golf. His goal was fortunate, stood at the back of the penalty area for a throw-in. Ball came over, he swung his foot at the ball and it bounced in off the near post.

Either Sheffield don't play to his style or he's made himself comfortable and Sheffield can't afford to bench him. But he is not the same player that excelled for us last season.

 

[Evo1883]

Bollocks. Vik was a striker and went with that premium. Gus was always a better all round player. Vik does one thing very very well.

What's the one thing ?

 

[SBAndy]

What's the one thing ?

Football.

 

[Grendel]

What's the one thing ?

Oh scoring goals and oh actually creating goals and oh drawing the defence into panic mode

 

[shmmeee]

What's the one thing ?

His strength/dribbling ability. His finishing was shocking for a 20 a season player, his link up improved after two years here but for a long time he was a poor strike partner too. And useless in the air considering.

 

[Evo1883]

His strength/dribbling ability. His finishing was shocking for a 20 a season player, his link up improved after two years here but for a long time he was a poor strike partner too. And useless in the air considering.

He was probably the best forward ive seen here since the premier league

Fast
Powerful
Carries the ball well
Holds it up well
Scores goals
Skillful for a big man


Sublime player at this club

 

[Grendel]

He was probably the best forward ive seen here since the premier league

Fast
Powerful
Carries the ball well
Holds it up well
Scores goals
Skillful for a big man


Sublime player at this club

This conversation is ludicrous- if he was still here we’d be having no worries as we’d know goals would happen somehow

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Wilson with his first start of the season, scores a penalty. As ever, he's showing his class at this level.

 

[Evo1883]

Wilson with his first start of the season, scores a penalty. As ever, he's showing his class at this level.

His goal to game ratio at Newcastle is quite impressive

 

[Deleted member 5849]

He was probably the best forward ive seen here since the premier league

Fast
Powerful
Carries the ball well
Holds it up well
Scores goals
Skillful for a big man


Sublime player at this club

I'm just amazed how quickly his impact and contribution seems to be being written out of City history. Can only assume it's because he's a bit of a blunt moaner really, as it can't be for his footballing contribution, surely?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

His goal to game ratio at Newcastle is quite impressive

He's been amazing ever since leaving us really (and was for us too).

To think i saw him score at Neath, and even the tannoy announcer didn't know number 9's name(!)

 

[Evo1883]

I'm just amazed how quickly his impact and contribution seems to be being written out of City history. Can only assume it's because he's a bit of a blunt moaner really, as it can't be for his footballing contribution, surely?

He didn't drink with fans in Leamington

 

[Grendel]

This is a dumb discussion - we’ve replaced Gyokeres with £11m of forwards and replaced hamer with a loanee from Brighton - replace hamer with an £11m midfielder and keep Gyokeres would be a better outcome

 

[SBAndy]

He was probably the best forward ive seen here since the premier league

Fast
Powerful
Carries the ball well
Holds it up well
Scores goals
Skillful for a big man


Sublime player at this club

In fairness, shmmeee is correct on his finishing. If he was a pure finisher alongside the rest, he’d have got 40 goals a season and we’d have probably got £40-50m for him. It’s actually to his credit in a way that he still ended with circa 20 goals a season.

 

[Grendel]

In fairness, shmmeee is correct on his finishing. If he was a pure finisher alongside the rest, he’d have got 40 goals a season and we’d have probably got £40-50m for him. It’s actually to his credit in a way that he still ended with circa 20 goals a season.

But still without him we’d have been nowhere in the last two seasons

 

[Deleted member 5849]

In fairness, shmmeee is correct on his finishing. If he was a pure finisher alongside the rest, he’d have got 40 goals a season and we’d have probably got £40-50m for him. It’s actually to his credit in a way that he still ended with circa 20 goals a season.

Yeah you dont buy him for his goals, ironically enough. You buy him for his all round game, which was simply sensational for us.

Over two full seasons, without any letup either. Consistently carried us. More, even, than Wilson during his time here whatever Wilson's doing just atm (and if ever a player deserved countless threads, it's him - Cov kid too of course).

Without Gyokeres, we'd have been nowhere as you could set up with a solid defence that sat back, and guarantee you'd have a puncher's chance with him up front to control the hoof and take on the world.

 

[WestEndAgro]

Callum Wilson from the spot, 11 in 11.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Well Wilson MOTM, and I completely forgot we'll be seeing him in the Champions League soon enough!

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Hamer is a better footballer technically I would say but it's irrelevant as they play different positions in the team so have differing qualities which are what make them elite in that position.

Hamer would suck playing as a striker and Vik would suck playing central midfield, they were both elite for the championship in the position they played.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

His strength/dribbling ability. His finishing was shocking for a 20 a season player, his link up improved after two years here but for a long time he was a poor strike partner too. And useless in the air considering.

Embarrassing.

 

[SBAndy]

But still without him we’d have been nowhere in the last two seasons

Yeah you dont buy him for his goals, ironically enough. You buy him for his all round game, which was simply sensational for us.

Over two full seasons, without any letup either. Consistently carried us. More, even, than Wilson during his time here whatever Wilson's doing just atm (and if ever a player deserved countless threads, it's him - Cov kid too of course).

Without Gyokeres, we'd have been nowhere as you could set up with a solid defence that sat back, and guarantee you'd have a puncher's chance with him up front to control the hoof and take on the world.

Agree with both, just flagging that if he was a finisher as well he would be ridiculous. In fairness, if he could finish we’d have never had him in the first place.

 

[Londonccfcfan]

Hamer is a better footballer technically I would say but it's irrelevant as they play different positions in the team so have differing qualities which are what make them elite in that position.

Hamer would suck playing as a striker and Vik would suck playing central midfield, they were both elite for the championship in the position they played.

Gyokores now plays for a much bigger club than Hamer.

But Hamer plays in a far superior league.

Interesting to see where their respective careers go in the next 4/6 years.

One was by far the best conplete midfielder in the league all of last year.

Gyokores by far the best striker. Absolute beast.

 

[Londonccfcfan]

I definately cannot seperate them both. Equals in value. Be interesting where they go and how they develop with better players/training/facilities/coaches.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This is a dumb discussion - we’ve replaced Gyokeres with £11m of forwards and replaced hamer with a loanee from Brighton - replace hamer with an £11m midfielder and keep Gyokeres would be a better outcome

Well no as we have also needed to effectively buy a whole new defence as well.

 

[Blind-Faith]

Just seen Hamers goal, great finish with his weaker foot tbf. Always great to see an ex player doing well

 

[covcity4life]

*premier league… but he was never a premier league player in the making anyway

Ouch. Spreadsheet karma

 

[covcity4life]

Want both of them to do well. For the sell on fee and cos they both helped my club whilst here.

 

[Grendel]

Well no as we have also needed to effectively buy a whole new defence as well.

Which is totally irrelevant to the discussion

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Which is totally irrelevant to the discussion

Well it isn't as the squad needed investment in areas besides central midfield so in your scenario where we just spend the entire Hamer fee on a midfielder and keep Gyokeres, who are we playing in defence?

 

[Grendel]

Well it isn't as the squad needed investment in areas besides central midfield so in your scenario where we just spend the entire Hamer fee on a midfielder and keep Gyokeres, who are we playing in defence?

I am saying without hamer we’d still be scoring goals if he stayed

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I am saying without hamer we’d still be scoring goals if he stayed

You also said last season that a key improvement was not conceding first quite so often and the defence being tighter. Having Gyokeres and an equivalent to Hamer would mean nothing if the defence was shipping goals for fun

 

[Grendel]

You also said last season that a key improvement was not conceding first quite so often and the defence being tighter. Having Gyokeres and an equivalent to Hamer would mean nothing if the defence was shipping goals for fun

But we’d still have tightened the defence anyway - this is my point - losing Gyokeres and his goals is a massive blow

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But we’d still have tightened the defence anyway - this is my point - losing Gyokeres and his goals is a massive blow

How would we have tightened the defence with no money because you've spent it all on one midfielder? What then if that player or Gyokeres gets injured?

 

[Grendel]

How would we have tightened the defence with no money because you've spent it all on one midfielder? What then if that player or Gyokeres gets injured?

We’ve not spent anything on the defence that’s actually played other than a few for Thomas - those signings would have happened anyway and we’d have had a different RWB