Saddlebrains
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Pathetic that is
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olderskyblue
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I don’t see anything in the onboard that changes things, but I’m no expert. I’m amazed what Brundle spots live, that I struggle to see in slow mo. 
SkyBlueSoul
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Paul Anthony
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Honestly, from the new footage if that had been available at the time, I wouldn't have been surprised to see a penalty. At the least he was late on the brakes, so late he was never getting that stopped.
Will anything be done about it now? Probably not. Not to the extent it'll affect the results anyway. Maybe the Stewards will have a word of warning, doubt it'd be anything more.
Will anything be done about it now? Probably not. Not to the extent it'll affect the results anyway. Maybe the Stewards will have a word of warning, doubt it'd be anything more.
hill83
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hill83
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You know what, despite what I’ve said if all footage was available at the time it probably would have been a 5 second penalty
Saddlebrains
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Cant see it. How can you punish someone when there wasnt an accident, and the complainant won anyway?
Cos he'll do it again ?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Well, if he'd had a penalty he would have finished 3rd, not 2nd which could be significant in the title races. Also, if the criteria is causing an accident what about when drivers change direction when defending or just something as simple as speeding in the pitlane. If there isn't an accident from them speeding why should they be given a penalty? Because it's dangerous and if you don't penalise when there isn't an accident it'll just keep happening until there is one and someone gets hurt.
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Yeah, shouldn't be judged on the consequence, more the act. FWIW I'd rather they could race a bit more, with dirtiness and everything, so not keen on a penalty but... he wouldn't have deserved a penalty more or less if he'd taken Hamilton out.
Saddlebrains
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If he would have touched Lewis or took Lewis or both out then yea, penalty, stop and go whatever.
But its not affected the result.
He didnt turn the wheel towards Lewis.
Yes he clearly missed the braking point and understeered towards Lewis, but no one other than Max knows how intentional that was. Think its being blown out of proportion, and id say this even if it Was Lewis being appealed against.
We want hard racing and drama between the two, and if anyone thinks for a second Lewis wouldn't have donw the same, may i take you back to 2014 - 2016 and the many incidents of Lewis and Nico Rosberg colliding of being close too.
But its not affected the result.
He didnt turn the wheel towards Lewis.
Yes he clearly missed the braking point and understeered towards Lewis, but no one other than Max knows how intentional that was. Think its being blown out of proportion, and id say this even if it Was Lewis being appealed against.
We want hard racing and drama between the two, and if anyone thinks for a second Lewis wouldn't have donw the same, may i take you back to 2014 - 2016 and the many incidents of Lewis and Nico Rosberg colliding of being close too.
Saddlebrains
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This for example
mark82
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You can see he didn't turn fully. If you watch footage of previous laps he's full lock into the corner. The only reason he didn't crash is Lewis avoided. With new footage probably would've been a 5 second penalty.
Paul Anthony
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Here's the same onboard with telemetry and camera angles from both cars.
Saddlebrains
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GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee
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Can't tell what it is, but there's something telling me that you might not like Lewis, and you might like Max?
covmark
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British television happy that a British sportsman is winning. How dare they.
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tbf they were just going over-excitable as they do whenever anybody overtakes for the lead, anyway.
Paul Anthony
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To be fair, Murray Walker almost broke down in tears when Damon Hill won his world title...
Saddlebrains
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Correct!.
However as I've said previously, its not Max per se, it could be Carlos Sainz, anyone who can take the titles away from Mercedes and Lewis.
F1 needs someone to beat them. Its been far too long.
Saddlebrains
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But i thought everyone on here said Max was deliberately trying to hit lewis and he should have a penalty?
Paul Anthony
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That's a shocker from Checo.
Saddlebrains
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Point proven
Lewis will romp the last 3 races.
6 tenths in 1 lap is unbelievable
Lewis will romp the last 3 races.
6 tenths in 1 lap is unbelievable
Paul Anthony
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I just worry about where the overtaking is going to come from tomorrow. Looks like it's turn one or nothing.
Liquid Gold
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Why wouldn't Mercedes use Bottas to just take Verstappen out?
Saddlebrains
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Paul Anthony
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Because it's Bottas. He'd probably miss and hit Lewis instead!
Liquid Gold
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They all seem to hate each other anyway though
Paul Anthony
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I think the FIA would take a very strong stance on it anyway. Remember Michael got disqualified from the championship in '97 for taking out Villenueve deliberately.
mark82
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Regardless, I still say he ran him off the road. He didn't turn in as he did previously in other laps. I'm sure if it was the other way round your opinion would be completely different (and to be fair, if the other way would've been a collision as Max wouldn't give the same as Lewis did).
Saddlebrains
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mark82
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They couldn't punish Lewis but they'd probably disqualify Mercedes from the constructors championship, which they care about more than drivers.