Grendel
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If you offered the option every premier league team would take it.
A Europa cup place is seen as a curse by most anyway.
Replays should be scrapped as they are a waste of time.
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If you offered the option every premier league team would take it.
A Europa cup place is seen as a curse by most anyway.
Replays should be scrapped as they are a waste of time.
rupert_bear
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Don't agree replays are a waste of time that's the competition going to somewhere like Old Trafford and nicking an unlikely draw what little Exeter did a few years ago. I would agree with extra- time the first match perhaps and how
Many times have we seen a minnow get a draw at home with a big boy and take 10/15 thousand to the replay for their only chance to play there
Many times have we seen a minnow get a draw at home with a big boy and take 10/15 thousand to the replay for their only chance to play there
Gazolba
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But there has to be a more efficient way to redistribute money from the big clubs to the smaller clubs than FA Cup replays.
fernandopartridge
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Let them form a breakaway European super league (as Sky want) and fuck them off.
DazzleTommyDazzle
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Must confess that I'm increasingly coming round to that view
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Once they've completed killing off the FA Cup, how long before they do away with relegation?
skyblueinBaku
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There are a few PL team owners who would like to do away with relegation. I assume they are afraid of losing the obscene payouts in the PL.
Terry Gibson's perm
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I think it is probably all owners rather than a few.
rupert_bear
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If that was to happen could the football league from championship down become a separate competition getting its own route into the champions league for example, keeping the other competitions too, let the premiership go their way I know who would get fed up first
stupot07
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I wonder what the financial impact will be on lower league clubs. I imagine a lot will have a decent tie or replay every couple of years, that will ripple through to other teams through transfer fees, etc.
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I reckon if we get SISU on them in court they'd soon drop it.
Surely would have to be challenged legally right up to government level
Otis
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The replay can be absolutely massive to lower league teams.I wonder what the financial impact will be on lower league clubs. I imagine a lot will have a decent tie or replay every couple of years, that will ripple through to other teams through transfer fees, etc.
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Terry Gibson's perm
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Then make it that lower ranked team always plays at home but then you get them moaning that they missed a pay day at Old Trafford etc, in the end it's the fans that pay. I didn't go to the Northampton cup game as I didn't think it was value for money at £15 or whatever it was, but I would go to a £5 Jpt game, then again cost me about £40 to watch us at Port Vale
Brylowes
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Replays used to run throughout the competition, including the final,just about remember
a semi final Liverpool v arsenal & the 4th replay was held at Highfield road.
Terry Gibson's perm
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I cant remember when the semi final replays ended probably around the time greed took over and moved the semi to Wembley.
Brylowes
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Your probably right,always think/thought the neutral ground semi-final was a huge part
of the magic of the FA cup.
Terry Gibson's perm
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The whole thrill was to get to Wembley for the final now it is ruined by greed and the need to pay of the fa debts.
singers_pore
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Actually it was the 3rd replay. You can see highlights here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGs-dFfg_Rc
Brylowes
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Cheers Singers,really enjoyed that 1979 wasn't it i was 10 ,great to see the old
ground rocking (even if it wasn't for us)any idea what the gate was?.
SkyblueBazza
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Ah no see...there is money in it. What they want is to avoid the banana skins up until a point where they pretty much ensure another sell-out fixture with more 'appearance' money too.
The big 6 would love it if the competition took place as a knockout until only two left...then they enter the draw!
...onwards & upwards PUSB
Brylowes
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The game for the working class in this country has already changed beyond recognition, the
amount we pay as a league 1 club is just affordable,but it is league 1.
Premier league on the other hand,take a big working class city like Liverpool,there
tradional grass roots support is priced out & replaced by an influx of fans from
all over the country,Ireland and further afield
Skyblueweeman
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jimmyhillsfanclub
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jimmyhillsfanclub
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.....tell that to all the "little" clubs who have been kept afloat by the payday it offers.....
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Ha! Ha!!
Luckily for all of us, Grendel doesn't like an argument!
Imagine it on here if he did!
Ha ha...I know.....lets all question one of his "facts" or "opinions" today & see if we can break the internet.....
Yeah but does it?
They have to expand their squad and can lose focus domestically. You would assume there would be a net gain what that is I don't know and it may help attract better calibre players.
Just saying.
:guitar2:
chiefdave
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They either need to stop pissing about with little changes and accept how things are or sit down and start from scratch, including Euro competitions.
I'd scrap the Europa and make the League Cup just for teams in the Football League for a start.
You've got 41 weekends in the season (well you have this season anyway) and then lets say 3 bank holidays for Xmas and Easter. There's then 4 international breaks. So I would work on the basis of only having PL and FA Cup games on weekends. So you'd be looking at an 18 team PL. That would put only CL games as midweek. I'd scrap the Europa and CL qualifiers, start at the group stage. Give a CL place to the FA Cup winner and bring in strict rules about playing a strong side.
Then I'd have 18 teams in the Championship and L1, promotion and relgation as it is now. For L2 I'd go back to North and South, 18 in each. Top 2 up in each, bottom 4 from L1 down. If you wanted to keep a playoff you could do 3 and 4 in each division.
They moan about too many games but then bugger off on tour somewhere as soon as there's a few free days!
I'd scrap the Europa and make the League Cup just for teams in the Football League for a start.
You've got 41 weekends in the season (well you have this season anyway) and then lets say 3 bank holidays for Xmas and Easter. There's then 4 international breaks. So I would work on the basis of only having PL and FA Cup games on weekends. So you'd be looking at an 18 team PL. That would put only CL games as midweek. I'd scrap the Europa and CL qualifiers, start at the group stage. Give a CL place to the FA Cup winner and bring in strict rules about playing a strong side.
Then I'd have 18 teams in the Championship and L1, promotion and relgation as it is now. For L2 I'd go back to North and South, 18 in each. Top 2 up in each, bottom 4 from L1 down. If you wanted to keep a playoff you could do 3 and 4 in each division.
They moan about too many games but then bugger off on tour somewhere as soon as there's a few free days!
DazzleTommyDazzle
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Irish Sky Blue
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Agree with the idea of a Champions League place for the FA Cup winners. I think that this will be the only way for the cup to be restored to it's former status. Cup games used to attract far bigger gates than league games. Since clubs have fielded weakened teams cup gates have fallen dramatically. Playing midweek with no replays would only continue the downgrade. Imagine in the future someone looking back at 1987 and saying "Well, it was only the FA Cup!". Working in Chelmsley Wood, the only Sky Blue amongst loads of Villains or Blues who give me loads of stick, ( or worse still their sympathy),I can still ask the rhetorical question "who was the last Midland Team to win the FA Cup?" and for it to mean something. Any Blues fan mentioning their League Cup win can't argue about achievement when our cup win is mentioned. I love the replays, still think they should play extra replays until someone wins. I remember our 3 cup games against Wolves in the 80s before we finally got through. Famous tie between Arsenal and third division Sheffield. Wed. which I think took 5 games to resolve. Exeter I think took 7000 to Anfield for their midweek replay this season. Should their couple of days in the limelight be denied because of the same greedy few in the top league?
Irish Sky Blue
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The problem with reducing the number of teams in each league is that it has a direct impact on gate receipts. PL teams could probably absorb this due to their TV money. Clubs in other leagues would either have to accept lower income or put prices up. For us in League 1, it would mean we would lose the income from 6 home games. Season Ticket holders would be expected to pay more for less games. All of this to once again placate the big 5 or 6 clubs. ( sometimes big not by tradition but through having a wealthy owner). Agree with the last comment as I am sure that if they got their way and had a mid season break that is exactly what the leading PL clubs would do.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Yeah but does it?
They have to expand their squad and can lose focus domestically. You would assume there would be a net gain what that is I don't know and it may help attract better calibre players.
Just saying.
I was thinking of the rather obvious & extreme examples to be honest....such as Exeter city v Liverpool this season.....over £1/2m for a league 2 fan-owned club couldn't have done them any harm could it?
Sky Blue Kid
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IIRC There was talk of a Premier league 1 and 2. Don't think I'm wrong on this one. Anybody remember this?
jimmyhillsfanclub
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yeah...rings a bell.
Didn't the venkeys believe the PL was a closed shop with no relegation when the bought Blackburn rovers? Or is that an internet myth?
Brylowes
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Yeah I think so, but not the details