SeaSeeEffCee
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The massive spike in excess deaths must be either imaginary or a complete coincidence then.
The massive spike in excess deaths must be either imaginary or a complete coincidence then.There's an urgent inquiry been requested because they've literally recorded all deaths as covid even if they died several weeks after recovering... It's been a farce... What I'm more interested in, which we will probably never know.. Is how many people have died because of covid as a sole cause... It's a travesty we as a nation have been manipulated into fear by statistics that are so far removed from reality mate, anybody died from flu this year??? Be the best numbers for years for flu https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...JEAo&usg=AOvVaw154uE8XiGaeBix-_mrtPA_&cf=1
I hate to piss on anyone’s chips, but the 2nd wave is real, and it’ll hit the UK in about 3-4 weeks time. Hong Kong just getting it, more severe than the first wave. In my opinion there’s no chance of spectators before Christmas.
The massive spike in excess deaths must be either imaginary or a complete coincidence then.
True true!Pft...you’re lucky to be talking about a second wave. If you open too early, or don’t take this shit seriously, you’ll NEVER get away from Covid-19.
It doesn’t have a fucking shelf life
There's an urgent inquiry been requested because they've literally recorded all deaths as covid even if they died several weeks after recovering... It's been a farce... What I'm more interested in, which we will probably never know.. Is how many people have died because of covid as a sole cause... It's a travesty we as a nation have been manipulated into fear by statistics that are so far removed from reality mate, anybody died from flu this year??? Be the best numbers for years for flu https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...JEAo&usg=AOvVaw154uE8XiGaeBix-_mrtPA_&cf=1
your missing the point, if the death rate is the same but Covid deaths is for example 20,000 and flu deaths are down by 15,000 then yes, that would suggest there's been some mis-recording but we have, I think, in the region of 60,000 excess deaths, if it's not Covid what is it?
Do you think 45000 people have died FROM covid 19? Honestly...
Not in a million years
no one said its 100 percent accurate but it's still the best indicator we have.
There will be no second wave, have some optimism ffs there will be a vaccine by the end of the year anyway or at least some sort of treatment, promising signs coming from trials
People dying at home of heart attacks, cancer, natural causes that are scared to attend a hospital because of covid? I'm guessing it won't account for all but for some definitely.
People die if they don't get treated..
Good chat, apologies I wasn't being rude this whole thing has been so mishandled that it's pissing us all offUndoubtedly that will account for some of the excess deaths, I'm certain you're right and someone is going to have to unravel the numbers but it's still the best indicator.
Do you think 45000 people have died FROM covid 19? Honestly...
Not in a million years
Good chat, apologies I wasn't being rude this whole thing has been so mishandled that it's pissing us all off
going by the excess deaths, even knock 20 percent off for the reasons you've stated then yes, definitely.
More like 10k?So this indicates a number less than 20,000 or am I reading it wrong, apologies
Would love to be able to go to games and gigs but I think I'll wait and see what the scientists say before getting too excited. Especially
after Sir Patrick Vallance's comments yesterday on how the scientific advise has been repeatedly ignored by the government.
Right as flu season is kicking in seems an odd time to remove restrictions on things like this.
If it does seem likely crowds will be allowed in October can see them pushing back the start of the season a couple of weeks from September 12th. We're going to be so far behind a normal schedule a couple more weeks won't make much difference.
Not sure much is being based on science tbh. The science seems to suggest the virus ideal conditions are cold and damp but we're opening ice rinks.there was a bit of ambiguity in Johnsons statement regarding indoor events but I'd be surprised if gigs go ahead just yet.
If you're a virus it must be your dream to be carried into a shouting, singing, rammed sweaty mosh pit..
I don't think you can determine exactly the figure from a chart like this, it just really shows a trend across the months spanning the virus. I assume the number of published coronavirus deaths is accurately represented by the red area, but what is in question is what makes up the other excess deaths, shown in blue. They could all be coronavirus related, or all totally unrelated but due to some other undefined (to us) causes, or most likely somewhere in between.So this indicates a number less than 20,000 or am I reading it wrong, apologies
People dying at home of heart attacks, cancer, natural causes that are scared to attend a hospital because of covid? I'm guessing it won't account for all but for some definitely.
People die if they don't get treated..
It's great me and @SkyBlueDom26 were in there over the weekend.
me wind it in? you've just announced the UK will get a 2nd wave in "3 to 4 weeks"
Can you let the UK government and NHS know.
because they always dowhat makes you think they'd do something about it?
“because of COVID”
You just said it yourself.
“because of COVID”
You just said it yourself.
This was in reference to excess deaths, people dying at home because they are scared to attend hospitals... These numbers are probably massively underestimated
Almost 900 cancer patients dying at home in Scotland alone. imagine the figure for that alone in England based on population...
Apologies for quoting twice lol
Point is that COVID isn’t just literally dying from the disease, you can’t separate out related deaths that wouldn’t have happened without the pandemic. That’s like not counting the people who jumped in 9/11 because technically the planes didn’t kill them.
It’s pretty solid that the mortality rate is 1%+, which is very high for such a contagious disease.
The thrust of your argument seems to be the online contrarian view that it’s all a fuss about nothing, which is utter tripe IMO and according to the actual experts. Countries don’t inflict this sort of economic damage on themselves for no reason (Brexit aside). I’d listed more to the experts and less to the likes of Brendan O’Neill and Toby Young personally.
My argument is based on the fact that people have had covid, recovered then died of something different several weeks later and its being recorded still as covid.
We've also had multiple cases of people dying from natural causes, heart attacks etc etc and have also had their deaths being recorded as covid... This is a travesty.. It's also a massive lie
I'm not disputing that covid can kill, I'm definitely disputing it's severity and it's mortality rate
That 45,000 need breaking down over the next few months on what Cov-19 patients passed away from it and what patients passed away but Cov-19 wasn’t the contributing factor in their death. I’m shocked the NHS doesn’t have this metrics behind this in 2021. Strangely enough is the YOY death rate has gone down at this point due to patients with health issues passing on earlier in the year.Do you think 45000 people have died FROM covid 19? Honestly...
Not in a million years
But you’ve got to take it as a whole. Like I say you don’t dispute terror attack deaths because someone had a heart attack from the bomb noise or was ill anyway, the event as a whole caused all those people to die who wouldn’t have otherwise. Same with the pandemic.
Also look at the States where they’ve bought into this “it ain’t so bad” nonsense and have over 100k dead.
Focusing on death certificates is just a distraction. They aren’t some solid gold proof of death cause, all deaths tend to be a mix of issues coming together. You might get hit by a car and die from drowning in the internal bleeding, should we not put down car crash as cause of death?
What matters is the headline figure of how many extra people died.
To get completely accurate data could take years. People will need to drill down in to it and you will need to offset figures for later this year and into next year.That 45,000 need breaking down over the next few months on what Cov-19 patients passed away from it and what patients passed away but Cov-19 wasn’t the contributing factor in their death. I’m shocked the NHS doesn’t have this metrics behind this in 2021. Strangely enough is the YOY death rate has gone down at this point due to patients with health issues passing on earlier in the year.
I just disagree mate... Can't say much more than that but respect your opinion as always
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