shmmeee
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Lots has of conditions. Can’t see us being able to get more than 5-6k in under those rules would we?
This just arrived on the BBC website
"Fans in stadiums: Boris Johnson says supporters could return in England in October"
Fans in stadiums: Boris Johnson says supporters could return in England in October
This whole thing is really complicated, and beyond my understanding because of lack of full details. Say for example someone died of cancer because they were too frightend to go to hospital for treatment, but the hospital is open for them to attend. now we are talking about the fear of catching the virus having a material influence upon their death. Can this be attributed to Covid as being the cause?But you’ve got to take it as a whole. Like I say you don’t dispute terror attack deaths because someone had a heart attack from the bomb noise or was ill anyway, the event as a whole caused all those people to die who wouldn’t have otherwise. Same with the pandemic.
Also look at the States where they’ve bought into this “it ain’t so bad” nonsense and have over 100k dead.
Focusing on death certificates is just a distraction. They aren’t some solid gold proof of death cause, all deaths tend to be a mix of issues coming together. You might get hit by a car and die from drowning in the internal bleeding, should we not put down car crash as cause of death?
What matters is the headline figure of how many extra people died.
This whole thing is really complicated, and beyond my understanding because of lack of full details. Say for example someone died of cancer because they were too frightend to go to hospital for treatment, but the hospital is open for them to attend. now we are talking about the fear of catching the virus having a material influence upon their death. Can this be attributed to Covid as being the cause?
someone else with exactly the same condition could decide to get treatment and may survive.
I've been to HK a few times so have a good idea of how things are there - parts of London probably have similar densityI’m not being pessimistic or optimistic. I’m living in a place that has put up another load of restrictions for the 2nd time, meaning I can’t work, exercise or even go for a pint. Nothing to do with optimism.
I’ll say numbers for now, but there’s been more deaths than the in the initial outbreak (that may have been people catching it before though).I've been to HK a few times so have a good idea of how things are there - parts of London probably have similar density
Out of interest your first post said the 2nd wave is worse than the first
Is that in terms of the severity of the illness or the number of cases?
And your medical and scientific expertise is ..........We have to go back to normal eventually, if you will forever be worried about people breathing near you then I'd suggest staying indoors for the next 20 years to be certain.. It's for the best
BTW, the death rate for actual covid is nowhere near what you are being fed... They've put it down as a cause of death for literally everything and anything...
Its a total disgrace the nonsense we've been fed over the last few months
Inner London boroughs are far more densely populated per kmI've been to HK a few times so have a good idea of how things are there - parts of London probably have similar density
Out of interest your first post said the 2nd wave is worse than the first
Is that in terms of the severity of the illness or the number of cases?
Nah, the area I live (Mong Kok) is the most densely populated area on earth. But you go to the new territories and some of the islands and there’s nothing for miles!Inner London boroughs are far more densely populated per km
Nah, the area I live (Mong Kok) is the most densely populated area on earth. But you go to the new territories and some of the islands and there’s nothing for miles!
Nah, the area I live (Mong Kok) is the most densely populated area on earth. But you go to the new territories and some of the islands and there’s nothing for miles!
Well yeah, Sha Tin’s a bit crowded! Great racecourse though, better than happy valley on HK island, in my opinion.I went to the New Territories for the racing a Sha Tin. It was mobbed and it wasn't even a major meeting!
Some stadium.
My argument is based on the fact that people have had covid, recovered then died of something different several weeks later and its being recorded still as covid.
We've also had multiple cases of people dying from natural causes, heart attacks etc etc and have also had their deaths being recorded as covid... This is a travesty.. It's also a massive lie
I'm not disputing that covid can kill, I'm definitely disputing it's severity and it's mortality rate
1% high? Ebola is at over 30%
But what if Covid damaged their lungs and they died of a different respiratory illness months later they'd have survived but for the damage? It remains Covid related.
And your medical and scientific expertise is ..........
It's like saying somebody who died from being hit by a bus 3 months after the end of ww2... Died because of ww2...
This is basically what's happening today
Same as yours I suspect.. There isn't really anything I've said that's out of the ordinary... That's why there is to be an urgent inquiry into the actual death figures...
Because they are false
It's like saying somebody who died from being hit by a bus 3 months after the end of ww2... Died because of ww2...
This is basically what's happening today
It's like saying somebody who died from being hit by a bus 3 months after the end of ww2... Died because of ww2...
This is basically what's happening today
Average deaths is the best way to measure, and they're up by > 45k.
Anyway, I came over here to avoid this kind of thing, there's enough of this off topic, and now I'm contributing too!
Just to also point out, the 44,000 number published by the government is deaths from confirmed cases with actual diagnosis from a test only. The number where Covid has been listed on the death certificate as a contributing factor is higher than that at 54,000. Total excess deaths is 65,000 (all figures as of late June).
And also avoiding illnesses because they're not going out so not catching other diseases, whilst also not having car crashes etc.Of course, but we discussed that people are having illnesses untreated and serious health problems too because they won't attend doctors or hospitals....
And also avoiding illnesses because they're not going out so not catching other diseases, whilst also not having car crashes etc.
There's zero doubt there have been a vast amount of extra deaths on the average. There's one thing that's changed. The evidence is all there.
OK, so you're saying 65k (over a third) more have died of heart disease, in a quarter of a year through not getting treatment?Well 170,000 people die every year through heart disease
Less than 2000 a year in a car crash .. That's not a great comparison
OK, so you're saying 65k (over a third) more have died of heart disease, in a quarter of a year through not getting treatment?
It actually proves my point.
Yep ochums razorAnd also avoiding illnesses because they're not going out so not catching other diseases, whilst also not having car crashes etc.
There's zero doubt there have been a vast amount of extra deaths on the average. There's one thing that's changed. The evidence is all there.
Like is said I believe the numbers are massively underestimated especially in elderly people.. How many under 65s have died?
And its the government who are saying the numbers are probably wrong and need to be urgently looked at...
There were over 40,000 excess deaths in 1999/2000s winter season, it does happen
And again in 14/15 too
There is far more important things that need to be urgently looked at regarding our handling of this crisis than recording. Dealing with the situation on the ground is far more urgent than the admin around it.
Face it, it's another example of the govt looking to shift blame or fudge the figures to fit in with their own desires to allow the economy to open up. Economy can't open up because figures are too high so change the figures until it can.
Very rough figures and obviously it could take months / years to have the data properly analysed but it looks like around 10% of excess deaths are under 65.Like is said I believe the numbers are massively underestimated especially in elderly people.. How many under 65s have died?
And its the government who are saying the numbers are probably wrong and need to be urgently looked at...
There were over 40,000 excess deaths in 1999/2000s winter season, it does happen
And again in 14/15 too
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