lewys33
Well-Known Member
sometimes its fun to wind people up just to provoke a response ......
example: me at times!
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sometimes its fun to wind people up just to provoke a response ......
example: me at times!
Nick
Administrator
Yes but when you have just posted a newsletter trying to be balanced and saying how fed up you are of people who can't see all sides are to blame and then going all sisu out with the excuser shit it throws it all out of the window and devalues good work that is being done and alienates some fans.
lewys33
Well-Known Member
I see your point, however calling someone a sisu excuser doesn't mean that you yourself are 100% anti-sisu. Isn't saying Michael is all anti-sisu just because he has called someone a sisu excuser hypocritical?
Nick
Administrator
Yes it doesn't mean you may be 100% sisu out but it shows you aren't balanced when you post things like that after sending out emails saying you are fed up...
Who started off with the sisu.excuser stuff anyway? Genuine question.
lewys33
Well-Known Member
Is everyone perfectly balanced? I would say most blame all parties, but not equally.
I have no idea.
Nick
Administrator
Sorry, by balanced I mean all sides at fault rather than an equal percentage of blame each side.
lewys33
Well-Known Member
I am sorry I'm a bit confused now. Michael was trying to be balanced .... but he is not balanced because he called someone a sisu excuser ...... but being balanced is holding all parties to blame? Correct? Was that not originally put? As you have put above calling someone a sisu excuser does not mean he is 100% sisu out does it? Would you be making the same comment had he called someone an ACL excuser?
I am not condoning Michael calling someone a sisu excuser, but by no means does that mean that he has an alter-ego that is purely anti-sisu does it? Being anti-sisu is not being pro-ACL and vice a versa (hence why I am not condoning the comment).
You cant have it both ways.
covcity4life
Well-Known Member
its quite simple.
he has called those that can see all parties to blame sisu excusers
which means in his warped mind that anyone who sees issue with the council must be excusing sisu
ironically he is fed up of those that cant see all parties to blame
lewys33
Well-Known Member
I cant speak for Michael but it is hard to keep track of who is supporting/attacking/being balanced on here. I have been accused of being all of the above.
But 2 wrongs dont make a right. Retalliating to someone calling you pro-sisu by saying they are anti-sisu is just as bad don't you think?
I'm just trying to bring things back to perspective here. Not accusing anyone of anything.
MichaelCCFC
New Member
If we're moving this on to a more helpful discussion, it was on Saturday at Tranmere that I thought I made a completely innocuous comment and had someone have a go at me saying I was being pro sisu. The last two weeks in the kcic emailout I've made what I again thought were innocuous comments and get told I'm being anti sisu (and I have previously posted that I wish people would make their mind up as to whether I'm a sisu scab or an acl employee because I get called both). The only way I can make sense of such a contradiction is that the whole ccfc mess has been framed in terms of choosing sides between acl/sisu or at the very least interpreting everything within that frame. I don't buy into that framing, and I want to reframe debate so as to be about what is best for the team and fans. If everything is considered with a starting point of putting the interests of the team and fans first, it allows for a very different debate to the pro/anti acl/sisu one pretty much every thread on here has descended into for many months.
sky blue zam
Member
If this is the case, you couldn't be anymore on the fence if you tried, lol. You're doing a sterling job its just a shame this whole fucking mess has caused a massive division between us in a a matter of months.
MichaelCCFC
New Member
No offence (pun intended) but sitting on the fence means refusing to criticise acl or sisu so that's certainly not true of kcic! if you are pro team and pro fan you look at everything from that perspective so instead of starting with is it acl/sisu's fault you look at an issue (on this thread it was lack of investment in the team) and that is sisu's responsibility so that's what you say. Being pro team and pro fan means the solution I don't support giving the ricoh to sisu for peanuts (what sisu want) nor the Haskell bid (which is what acl and the council wanted - when sisu took over they said all the right things and after our current and previous owners I see no reason why the next rich person would be any better). What I advocate is sisu sell their worthless asset (ccfc) to a fan led consortium which at least stops sisu losing more money, avoids them attracting further scrutiny and might even help repair some of the reputational damage they've suffered. The fan led consortium alongside a developer then enters into sensible negotiation with the council and higgs about the Ricoh and surrounding land so higgs can recover its money, ditto the council, the developer gets to make a lot of money as does the club which also gets the ricoh and its revenues along with an agreed plan for local regeneration. sisu can go and do whatever it is they do and stop trying to get a public asset for peanuts while causing abject misery, higgs can go and be a charity and the council can be a council and forget about football. The fan-led owned club is then run on a financially sustainable, debt-free basis with the interest of the team and fans first. Pie in the sky? That's what fans at Swansea and Portsmouth were told and while every club's circumstances are different there's no reason why the same couldn't be done here
Lol I hadn't noticed he'd posted that.
Thank you Grendel you really are a darling for caring so much about my financial interests. Us Council employees have just booked a meal at the 3 Michalin stared waterside inn for a meeting, looking forward to living it large on the taxpayers money. Foie Gras and Champagne for me please