Football v Rugby Union (3 Viewers)

[SkyblueBazza]

Very true Johnnie, but it can even be seen on the pitch.

Most games in football a referee gives a decision that one team dont like, and they surround him, pushing and shoving, in his face shouting screaming and sometimes swearing. Kids watch this and think its acceptable.

In Rugby, the referee, unless speaking to a certyain player, will only speak to the Captain, and will send any other players who wish to say something away, or their team will concede a penalty or they could end up off the pitch on a yellow card. They respect the referee and therefore create a different impression to those watching, than that of footballers.

I like both games, am a football fan first and foremost, but cant help admit that most footballers act like pricks around the referee on the pitch, and this can rub off on impressionable fans watching.

And the referee is ALWAYS...at every level as far as i know...addressed as "sir". Just respecting the role. Nothing else.

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[SkyblueBazza]

Without wishing to upset anybody a football fan is loyal to their team and only really has one love and will never change Rugby fans seem a bit more flaky and start supporting/following the latest team in town.

Absolute tosh!

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[Terry Gibson's perm]

Absolute tosh!

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Look at it like this if Hull City relocated to the Ricoh would everybody start going to watch them even if they are in the Prem I doubt it, but look at what has happened with this group who have come into town.

 

[Nick]

Look at it like this if Hull City relocated to the Ricoh would everybody start going to watch them even if they are in the Prem I doubt it, but look at what has happened with this group who have come into town.

Probably, it would more than likely be the same ones who's lives it ruined when we got moved to Northampton so they hate sisu so much. The ones who were against clubs moving...

Just want to watch top football and ccfc are shit anyway.

That's the sadness of the situation

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Look at it like this if Hull City relocated to the Ricoh would everybody start going to watch them even if they are in the Prem I doubt it, but look at what has happened with this group who have come into town.

A year ago I'd have said absolutely, however the wasps move has opened my eyes though. If the hypothetical move you proposed happened the people of Coventry would probably roll out the red carpet and welcome them with open arms. In fact I have no doubt they would.

I get your point about rugby fans being a bit more flaky but are you telling me there are suddenly 28k rugby fans in the city for the first match or 15k rugby fans for the second match, not a chance or where have they been for CRFC then? Majority of them had probably never been to more than a handful of rugby matches in there life before the first wasps match, a few of them I would wager only went to rub it in the face of CCFC with an attitude of look what you could have had.

 

[ajsccfc]

If I swore at someone at work I'd be sacked.

What if you shoulder challenge someone while the biscuits are within playing distance?

 

[lewys33]

I agree with Steve to be honest.

In football I support Coventry, and will very rarely go out of my way to watch any other games. Rugby I support Coventry & Wales (I am English but family are Welsh so was brought up to support them), but I will happily watch any game of Rugby. I prefer Rugby as a sport but the atmosphere at football games is a lot better.

 

[LB87ccfc]

Went to Walsall Saturday, rugby sunday. So I am comparing the 2 experiences really. Gate at Walsall just under 6000, 15000 at the rugger. Was behind the goal not far from the corner were there were a few city fans in the other stand, all match I was being eye-balled by fat looking to be tough guy stewards and about half a dozen coppers all seemed to be looking my way, we score and as fans were cheering a steward was pushing and shoving what I would say were quiet young supporters 15/16 and yes the old bill managed to seem fit to eject one, perhaps arrested him don't really know and then continue to stare at us. At half time I went down and asked one copper why he was staring at me, he looked sheepish to be honest but didn't answer, but after half time never looked my way at all ?

At the rugby there has been a 28000 gate and 15000+ gate, I haven't seen one copper in the ground, why ?

Answers - Football still suffers, WPM would of classed it as high risk with it being a localish derby match, and big away following.

I also heard there was an unsavory incident with one our younger fans being glassed pre match.

Rugby, fans mingle together, their is never any bother, it doesn't have the same mentality, although I do have concerns it could be a little different down the ricoh when Wasps play Leicester tigers, for example, will it attract the non rugby fan.

 

[TrueSkyBlueLiam]

Went to Walsall Saturday, rugby sunday. So I am comparing the 2 experiences really. Gate at Walsall just under 6000, 15000 at the rugger. Was behind the goal not far from the corner were there were a few city fans in the other stand, all match I was being eye-balled by fat looking to be tough guy stewards and about half a dozen coppers all seemed to be looking my way, we score and as fans were cheering a steward was pushing and shoving what I would say were quiet young supporters 15/16 and yes the old bill managed to seem fit to eject one, perhaps arrested him don't really know and then continue to stare at us. At half time I went down and asked one copper why he was staring at me, he looked sheepish to be honest but didn't answer, but after half time never looked my way at all ?

At the rugby there has been a 28000 gate and 15000+ gate, I haven't seen one copper in the ground, why ?

Cus the majority of stewards at the football are complete C-Units. Especially in the midlands

 

[Thenose]

What if you shoulder challenge someone while the biscuits are within playing distance?

Depends whether you declare the Hobnobs offside rule...

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Without wishing to upset anybody a football fan is loyal to their team and only really has one love and will never change Rugby fans seem a bit more flaky and start supporting/following the latest team in town.

Ha ha. That'll be why over the last 30 years or so; I've seen people walking around the streets of our local towns wearing Liverpool shirts, then Manchester United shirts, then Chelsea shirts....

 

[covcity4life]

i watch football religiously be it english,serie a,la liga,ligue one,bundesliga and even likes of MLS,ISL and J league.

love most sports to be fair, Tennis,NHL,NFL,MMA etc etc

but rugby can go suck a dick. boringggggggg

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Ha ha. That'll be why over the last 30 years or so; I've seen people walking around the streets of our local towns wearing Liverpool shirts, then Manchester United shirts, then Chelsea shirts....

Some of those people may have come into this area from the area of the team they support or it is a family thing although many are glory supporters I would imagine that that still support the same side rather than switching and changing , I guess I am like most on here I was given one option growing up follow the Sky Blues and go with my dad or follow somebody else and go alone and that doesn't tend to work well under 10.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

A year ago I'd have said absolutely, however the wasps move has opened my eyes though. If the hypothetical move you proposed happened the people of Coventry would probably roll out the red carpet and welcome them with open arms. In fact I have no doubt they would.

I get your point about rugby fans being a bit more flaky but are you telling me there are suddenly 28k rugby fans in the city for the first match or 15k rugby fans for the second match, not a chance or where have they been for CRFC then? Majority of them had probably never been to more than a handful of rugby matches in there life before the first wasps match, a few of them I would wager only went to rub it in the face of CCFC with an attitude of look what you could have had.

Some would follow them I'm sure but I would hope the majority would have no interest in a new football team.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Ha ha. That'll be why over the last 30 years or so; I've seen people walking around the streets of our local towns wearing Liverpool shirts, then Manchester United shirts, then Chelsea shirts....

The sad fact is that you do not have to travel far outside of Coventry before your search for anything from a badge to a shirt of CCFC branding is harder to find than one for AC Milan!
Wtf is THAT all about???

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[Gazolba]

Maybe you've just got one of those faces.

Yes, can you please post a photo so we can all stare at it.

 

[Gazolba]

It can be easily summed up with the close up TV image (particular with corners) of the average football touchline fan, face contorted with anger/rage, vile language, derogatory hand motions, vilifying and booing star internationals - and these are the "grown ups" of our society !!

What an example to our younger fan base - so until these cretins are removed from grounds or isolated this uncomfortable atmosphere will prevail I am afraid.

In my view the behaviour off the pitch reflects the behaviour on the pitch. You've got players biting each others ears off, spitting on each other and deliberately trying to cripple each other. Not to mention the diving, cheating, play-acting, time-wasting and kicking the ball away. Fans detest diving until it gets their team a penalty, then it's ok.
You don't see this in Rugby.
So the fans reflect the general morals and standards of behaviour of the players.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It can be easily summed up with the close up TV image (particular with corners) of the average football touchline fan, face contorted with anger/rage, vile language, derogatory hand motions, vilifying and booing star internationals - and these are the "grown ups" of our society !!

What an example to our younger fan base - so until these cretins are removed from grounds or isolated this uncomfortable atmosphere will prevail I am afraid.

Presumably you don't watch Premier League or Champions League football on television? The crowd is multi racial and stuffed with the same middle class idiots who treat football and rugby as entertainment like going to theatre.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Presumably you don't watch Premier League or Champions League football on television? The crowd is multi racial and stuffed with the same middle class idiots who treat football and rugby as entertainment like going to theatre.

What has race or class got to do with it?

If someone is an idiot they are an idiot.

 

[covcity4life]

yeah what the hell has multi race got to do with it fernando?

 

[hutch1972]

In my view the behaviour off the pitch reflects the behaviour on the pitch. You've got players biting each others ears off, spitting on each other and deliberately trying to cripple each other. Not to mention the diving, cheating, play-acting, time-wasting and kicking the ball away. Fans detest diving until it gets their team a penalty, then it's ok.
You don't see this in Rugby.
So the fans reflect the general morals and standards of behaviour of the players.

Most scrums and rucks in rugby is contested with players trying to cheat the referee ,Its just that a lot is out of sight.
Do we remember the blood capsule incident? I would say that was cheating !!
How about the constant stamping and raking of players on the floor who mostly are unable to move , not to mention eye gauging etc etc. I would say that is trying to cripple an opponent.
Rugby teams have also got the recent habit of getting scrums re set in order to wind down the last few minutes , in other words time wasting.
So Imo your observations are flawed .

 

[Moff]

yeah what the hell has multi race got to do with it fernando?

I think Fernando was only trying to point out that you get a cross section of society at both Rugby and football, and it isnt representative of just one small section of people, like for example football just tended to be wtached buy the working classess.

 

[skybluebeduff]

I don't even know the difference between Rugby League and Rugby Union, couldn't even tell you which one Wasps play.

 

[Moff]

Ha ha. That'll be why over the last 30 years or so; I've seen people walking around the streets of our local towns wearing Liverpool shirts, then Manchester United shirts, then Chelsea shirts....

Thats nothing I once saw a Rugby fan, not too dissimilar to you in the Wolston area, wearing a Rugby Lions top one day, a Tigers top the next, and then finally wearing a Wasps top signed by his mate James Haskell. Apparently the top used to belong to Haskell and was huge due to all the pies he ate.


***** (Dont tell Mr Haskell about the pie joke, he is bigger than me!)

 

[covcity4life]

I think Fernando was only trying to point out that you get a cross section of society at both Rugby and football, and it isnt representative of just one small section of people, like for example football just tended to be wtached buy the working classess.

cool. all cleared up

 

[Gosford Green]

Football is tribal and rugby is far the opposite. The basis that a club from London (or High Wycombe) can relocate 80 odd miles away and fill a stadium points that out.

Has any one mentioned that there is a good rugby club already in the City ? The game of rugby is not really my thing, you might have guessed by my simplistic approach to this matter.

 

[ajsccfc]

Don't think Coventry RFC has come up, no.

 

[furtle]

Interesting thread this...
I went to the Tigers v Bath game on Sunday and it was an awesome contest with 2 huge and skilful teams knocking ten bells out of each other.
I had a few pints standing on a packed terrace in a sell-out crowd of 24,000. Loads of banter with the odd Bath fans nearby but not a hint of trouble, or site of a copper!
I thoroughly enjoyed the game, and the win, but I did not reach the same level of passion or excitement as I do at the King Power (losing) every other week, as the Foxes are in my blood & Tigers are not...
There's never any trouble at rugby because the combatants are generally respectful to one another and the referee has complete authority, even when he makes the occasional mistake there is NO dissent. Also, there seems to be a higher proportion of women & kids, but most importantly the average IQ of those at the rugger is 20 points or more higher than those rough chaps down the footy!

 

[Gazolba]

Interesting thread this...

There's never any trouble at rugby because the combatants are generally respectful to one another and the referee has complete authority, even when he makes the occasional mistake there is NO dissent. Also, there seems to be a higher proportion of women & kids, but most importantly the average IQ of those at the rugger is 20 points or more higher than those rough chaps down the footy!

Football used to be kind of like that in the early 1960's. The home and way fans were not separated and there was lots of good banter between them. I used to go to many away games with my father and we always used to get chatting to opposing fans. We all wore our teams colours. Of course we had a really good team back then and there was lots of respect for Coventry. It all started to change in the late 1960's and 1970's when the hooligans started emerging. All of the businesses near Highfield road boarded up their windows before match days. After that, no more way games and no more wearing the teams colours and eventually my father stopped taking me.

 

[furtle]

F It all started to change in the late 1960's and 1970's when the hooligans started emerging. All of the businesses near Highfield road boarded up their windows before match days. After that, no more way games and no more wearing the teams colours and eventually my father stopped taking me.

My dad started taking me in 1966 & stopped in 1968 when Man U hoolies turned up wearing bovver boots & red & white crash helmets. He thought that was unnecessary, threatening and like your father, stopped taking me...

 

[letsallsingtogether]

A lot of English football fans can't handle their beer and need somewhere to vent their failings and insecurities.

Where as you just come on here.

 

[ajsccfc]

Get the haggis ready, it's BURN night up in here

 

[hill83]

Where as you just come on here.