For all the SISU/Fisher/Waggott apologists on here..... (1 Viewer)

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 25, 2012

I will say what I said in another thread when people say we can't keep hold of our players when bigger teams come along

If we had a certain Jordan Rhodes, Nick Powell or Alex Oxlade Chamberlain at the club do you think our board an owners would have got 8, 4 and 12 million pounds respectively whilst keeping the players on board long enough to get promoted (Huddersfield, Crewe and Southampton were all promoted in each players final season playing key roles)

Or

Do you think they would have been sold at the first chance for 1-2 million before they have even managed to consistently hold down a first team spot in the Coventry team in a similar way to Gael Bigirimana was

My issue isn't that he was sold, it was that he was sold way to early. Same as Turner after his injury

valiant15 · Sep 25, 2012

If we had savvy owners thats what you'd expect,but we haven't,we have sisu.

fernandopartridge · Sep 25, 2012

Has Bigi suddenly become a player who wasn't mediocre at best last season?

Astute · Sep 25, 2012

Sky Blues said:
That first sentence is what I was trying to say.

I like the woohoo smiley. Hopefully you'll be able to break it out again this season IF we win some games!

With the way things are at the moment he will be coming out next when we manage a draw

Sky · Sep 25, 2012

fernandopartridge said:
Has Bigi suddenly become a player who wasn't mediocre at best last season?

You mean as a 17 year old in a dreadful team..?

LilleSkyBlue · Sep 25, 2012

ExmouthNeil said:
Everything would have been different if we hadn't sold Robert Rosario to Forest..... :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

It SO wouldn't!!

Skyblueweeman · Sep 25, 2012

TheRoyalScam said:
Neither - he was always highly-rated here, and sold for a pittance.

Funny how there's £millions available when it comes to getting SISU's greedy mitts on the Ricoh, yet as soon as bids come in for our better youngsters (Bigirimana, Thomas) it's a different story.

A Sky Blue Elephant Never Forgets::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue:

FFS! Fans whinge (and I mean whinge) for years that we don't own a penny of our stadium and then when we seem to have cobbled together some pennies to own a stake on it, the owners are still castigated!

This isn't a SISU supporting post, but damned if you do, damned if you don't.

We're seemingly set to have control of 50% of the Arena and the revenues that come with it. If we have to sacrifice some talent to fund this, then that's the way it has to be. Some points to consider:

* Bigi didn't have to say yes.
* If an employer 10 times your current employers size comes along and says 'right, we'll treble your wages (and I'm guessing there) and give you a better career development plan...oh, and we'll give you some European experience', you would go, wouldn't you??
* Coventry, like the every other like club who isn't Man City or Chelsea will always sell their best players for different reasons. You think Man Utd wanted to lose Ronaldo? You think Crewe wanted to lose Nick Powell? Clubs like Utd, Liverpool, Spurs lose players because those players want to further themselves. Clubs like Crewe, Cov etc lose players for the same reason but also to survive.

I agree...it's pretty shit seeing our talented youth leave. But lets not slag easy targets off for something that's always happened at lower league clubs and might actually help with our finances long term.

WM

Brighton Sky Blue · Sep 25, 2012

Don't really understand what there is to be whining about here other than old news. Bigi was going to be sold sooner or later, we got a decent price, we shoved add-ons and future clauses into the deal, so it's hardly as though we could realistically refuse what was on offer.

Astute · Sep 25, 2012

Skyblueweeman said:
FFS! Fans whinge (and I mean whinge) for years that we don't own a penny of our stadium and then when we seem to have cobbled together some pennies to own a stake on it, the owners are still castigated!

This isn't a SISU supporting post, but damned if you do, damned if you don't.

We're seemingly set to have control of 50% of the Arena and the revenues that come with it. If we have to sacrifice some talent to fund this, then that's the way it has to be. Some points to consider:

* Bigi didn't have to say yes.
* If an employer 10 times your current employers size comes along and says 'right, we'll treble your wages (and I'm guessing there) and give you a better career development plan...oh, and we'll give you some European experience', you would go, wouldn't you??
* Coventry, like the every other like club who isn't Man City or Chelsea will always sell their best players for different reasons. You think Man Utd wanted to lose Ronaldo? You think Crewe wanted to lose Nick Powell? Clubs like Utd, Liverpool, Spurs lose players because those players want to further themselves. Clubs like Crewe, Cov etc lose players for the same reason but also to survive.

I agree...it's pretty shit seeing our talented youth leave. But lets not slag easy targets off for something that's always happened at lower league clubs and might actually help with our finances long term.

WM

Agree fully other than to treble his wages? Tenfold at least.

Struggling to think of any reason he would want to have stayed with us other than Newcastle.

Tonylinc · Sep 25, 2012

Bigi was clearly a decent player whilst with us BUT is proving more than that right now BECAUSE he has other decent/good players around him. Would he have got that with us? My answer must be NO.

Skyblueweeman · Sep 25, 2012

To be fair, it was only estimating. I don't know what he was on at CCFC and I don't know what he's on at NUFC but you're right, it'll be a hell of a lot more than here!

WM

Sky Blues · Sep 25, 2012

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Don't really understand what there is to be whining about here other than old news. Bigi was going to be sold sooner or later, we got a decent price, we shoved add-ons and future clauses into the deal, so it's hardly as though we could realistically refuse what was on offer.

Do we know the full facts of the deal for sure?
Regardless, of more relevance now to Covebtry is, as I flagged up earlier, Bigi saying that at Newcastle the players train like their lives depends upon it.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · Sep 25, 2012

Sky Blues said:
That first sentence is what I was trying to say.

I like the woohoo smiley. Hopefully you'll be able to break it out again this season IF we win some games!

And I'll break out the smiley sliding to the corner flag on its knees and shagging it's brains out.

Grendel · Sep 25, 2012

@richh87 said:
Certainly not for the pathetic sum we got! Idiots.

The lad loves Coventry and was very happy - not the greedy type to kick up a fuss. It's like the Conor Thomas loan to Liverpool only worse.

No one knows what we got.

As for the emotional guff he didn't want to leave, 2 things;

1 As far as I am aware SISU did not hold his family hostage and force his exit.

2 If he did not want to join a premier league team he would have zero ambition so would not be worth keeping.

He was ambitious and he wanted to leave. So what?

Sick Boy · Sep 25, 2012

TheRoyalScam said:
A Sky Blue Elephant Never Forgets::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue:

<cringe>

I thought that many claimed that we played too many 'children' last season? Yet now that the money has been used to bring in older players this is wrong as well?!

It has already been claimed on here that he wasn't happy under the previous management.

If you think he wanted to stay or was forced out then you are seriously deluded.

valiant15 · Sep 25, 2012

We are where we are in the league pyramid because we sell all our players that are worth any money(not the odd one or two,every single one of them),and we have piss poor investment for the joke owners.

Sick Boy · Sep 25, 2012

valiant15 said:
We are where we are in the league pyramid because we sell all our players that are worth any money(not the odd one or two,every single one of them),and we have piss poor investment for the joke owners.

Just like we always have done.

I must have forgot this mythical time when we never sold our better players and had fantastic owners.

Nonleagueherewecome · Sep 25, 2012

ExmouthNeil said:
Everything would have been different if we hadn't sold Robert Rosario to Forest..... :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Didn't he shag another players missus, meaning he "had to go" as the leak at the time put it?

Ah, the internet was much better back then...

skybluesteve76 · Sep 25, 2012

ExmouthNeil said:
Everything would have been different if we hadn't sold Robert Rosario to Forest..... :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

We were playing really well with him! He was awesome with quinny.....happy days

valiant15 · Sep 25, 2012

No sick boy,under sisu we've sold everyone that they could get money for. I know weve always sold our best players long before they showed up but these fuckers have had a firesale virtually from start.

valiant15 · Sep 25, 2012

And the bigi money was used to bring in older players? Yeh,of course it was.

skyblueinBaku · Sep 25, 2012

I wasn't happy that Bigi was sold, and am convinced that he was sold for less than his (then) real value. The spivs that own us will sell anything for the first offer they receive.

However, Bigi has gone, and no amount of moaning will get him back.

What worries me is that at some point in our future, the owners/board have to say to themselves that we need to keep our promising youngsters in order to build a team with a real chance of progressing up the leagues. I am far from convinced that our owners/board have the will or skill to identify that point in time. I fear that they will just get into the habit of selling without thought of progress for the future.

Sick Boy · Sep 25, 2012

valiant15 said:
No sick boy,under sisu we've sold everyone that they could get money for. I know weve always sold our best players long before they showed up but these fuckers have had a firesale virtually from start.

Could you tell us which players SISU immediately sold as soon as they arrived? My memory maybe hazy but I thought that they paid off the money for the Best & Borrowdale transfers.

If you could tell us the players who the previous regime brought in, and then were sold by SISU as soon as they took over?

Sick Boy · Sep 25, 2012

valiant15 said:
And the bigi money was used to bring in older players? Yeh,of course it was.

It was probably spent on upgrading the academy, paying some bills & slightly increasing the wage budget.

Sick Boy · Sep 25, 2012

@richh87 said:
The lad loves Coventry and was very happy - not the greedy type to kick up a fuss.

What is this based upon? Other than wishful thinking?

I am sure that he is regretting his move now more than ever!

It has already been claimed on here by WillieStanley, that he was far from happy under the previous management team. (Obviously this will be dismissed as lie).

Sutty · Sep 25, 2012

Comparing the Bigi fee to the fees of Rhodes, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Powell is pretty ridiculous. Rhodes is in his early 20s, Oxlade-Chamberlain was clearly a very special prospect, and Powell is a goalscoring midfielder. All traits which make the transfer fees higher than they would for a 17 year old holding midfielder who wasn't exactly setting the world alight.

I think the real travesty is he's had to go to Newcastle to see players giving 100% in training.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 25, 2012

Sutty said:
Comparing the Bigi fee to the fees of Rhodes, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Powell is pretty ridiculous. Rhodes is in his early 20s, Oxlade-Chamberlain was clearly a very special prospect, and Powell is a goalscoring midfielder. All traits which make the transfer fees higher than they would for a 17 year old holding midfielder who wasn't exactly setting the world alight.

I think the real travesty is he's had to go to Newcastle to see players giving 100% in training.

If you read the post again I wasn't trying to compare the fee's or players

I was posing the question if they were our players do you think our board would have managed to get as large a transfer fee as the respective clubs did

Imo no as they would have been sold before they could make a significant prolonged impact in our first team to justify the value they went for (this is where I made the comparison to Gael)

Read over it again and see the point I was trying to make

This is all assuming it is my post you were referring to

Sutty · Sep 25, 2012

CCFC said:
If you read the post again I wasn't trying to compare the fee's or players

I was posing the question if they were our players do you think our board would have managed to get as large a transfer fee as the respective clubs did

Imo no as they would have been sold before they could make a significant prolonged impact in our first team to justify the value they went for (this is where I made the comparison to Gael)

Read over it again and see the point I was trying to make

This is all assuming it is my post you were referring to

I was referring to yours, but maybe 'compare' was the wrong word.

I was just giving reasons why Bigi would sell for less than them at any club. Those three were sought after by several clubs, and were playing for sides that weren't short of a quid or two themselves, hence a bidding war and a bit extra to force them to sell. As far as I know there weren't a huge number of clubs clamouring after Bigi.

Our balance sheet dictates we need to sell players, which drives the prices down naturally. So to answer your question, no I don't think we would have go those prices for those players because of our financial situation, but I wouldn't blame SISU for that.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 25, 2012

Sutty said:
I was referring to yours, but maybe 'compare' was the wrong word.

I was just giving reasons why Bigi would sell for less than them at any club. Those three were sought after by several clubs, and were playing for sides that weren't short of a quid or two themselves, hence a bidding war and a bit extra to force them to sell. As far as I know there weren't a huge number of clubs clamouring after Bigi.

Our balance sheet dictates we need to sell players, which drives the prices down naturally. So to answer your question, no I don't think we would have go those prices for those players because of our financial situation, but I wouldn't blame SISU for that.

Yea I know Gael wouldn't attract those amounts of money, I just think the club would have benefited more financially an on the pitch from keeping Bigi an allowing him to establish himself in the Coventry first team before he was sold.

I was sort of trying to compare the situations an not the players ability or value

How these clubs kept hold of there talent until they had became key players for the team before selling opposed to selling before he is an established starter for the club

Jack Griffin · Sep 26, 2012

What make you think the club had a choice.. very often people come on here & say the club should have done this that or the other with absolutely no information about the real circumstances surrounding the deal or the financial imperatives of running the club, e.g. selling Highfield Road to keep afloat was something that should never have been done, but it was.

It has often been alleged that big clubs to 'tap' up players or in the case of a very young player their parents..

At the end of the day I doubt the club sold at less than the going rate.. and one can only hope that the clauses they negotiated will bear fruit in the fullness of time.

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