Frank Lampard Rumours (253 Viewers)

[skyblueelephant76]

Thing is he hasn’t worked outside of Norway and is now in his 50s. Perhaps it would flop, perhaps not

He's 49

 

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[Otis]

Not that we will have any choice, obviously, but this has been running for a few days now and only 19% say they would want him as manager. Sorry, Head Coach.

Yeah, but how many times did you vote, Torch?

 

[torchomatic]

Yeah, but how many times did you vote, Torch?

243.

 

[Balli001]

Has Lampard actually been credibly linked by anyone on here as being a frontrunner for the job or is it just the press have some kind of hard on for him and that because he formally applied we can't possibly turn him down?

And been reported by several mainstream media outlets

 

[fatso]

Has Lampard actually been credibly linked by anyone on here as being a frontrunner for the job or is it just the press have some kind of hard on for him and that because he formally applied we can't possibly turn him down?

Someone has lumped big money on Lampard at the bookies, hence his odds have been shortened to favourite. This has sent the news outlets into meltdown.

Nothing in it other than that, and the news that he's sent his CV in.

If some nutter put £10k on Jurgen klopp then he'd be the bookies favourite and the press would be all over that bollocks too, and couple that with the naivity of the fans and social media chatter and before you know it, the story is trending like it's a done deal.

 

[Deity]

Has Lampard actually been credibly linked by anyone on here as being a frontrunner for the job or is it just the press have some kind of hard on for him and that because he formally applied we can't possibly turn him down?

It started due to his short odds with the bookies.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Every fanbase of the clubs he's managed have all said tactically he's rigid, often devoid of ideas beyond what's initially set out, and that ability-wise he's extremely limited.

Being a great player doesn't mean you're going to be a great manager.

Yeah I get that great players doesn't necessarily mean they become great players.

I just can't see how someone can be devoid of tactical nous after playing at the highest level for so long (and successfully) under some of the best managers in the world.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Yeah I get that great players doesn't necessarily mean they become great players.

I just can't see how someone can be devoid of tactical nous after playing at the highest level for so long (and successfully) under some of the best managers in the world.

Because it's a completely different skillset.

Look at some of the great players in recent times which attempted at becoming managers and were/are awful:
Paul Scholes
Gary Neville
Wayne Rooney
Sol Campbell
Alan Shearer
Paul Ince
Michael Laudrup
Steven Gerrard (much of his success at Rangers was down to Michael Beale)

There's a belief that their success on the field will automatically carry over off the field and the vast majority land on their face after a matter of months never to be seen in the managerial box again. It just doesn't work like that.

 

[Macca]

Not sure about that, if he went and got a random Norwegian from Div 2 that's a tactical Whizzkid and flies us up the table we wouldn't complain.

Not going to win a dressing room that couldn't play for Mark Robins

 

[Winny the Bish]

Not going to win a dressing room that couldn't play for Mark Robins

Was Robins issue that he couldn’t motivate the players or that his tactics weren’t good enough?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It’s never really worked out though has it? I can’t think of a team promoted because their manager had good connections.

I think his biggest asset is players like Milan and Wright would look up to him, and he’d bring on people like Torp.

I watched a video of him talking tactics last night and he wasn’t particularly impressive IMO. I think he’d be an excellent coach, but we’d need someone tactical alongside him.

I’m still holding out for that Scandinavian bloke BSB mentioned.

The last two winners of the Championship were Pep connections, Maresca and Kompany…

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Because it's a completely different skillset.

Look at some of the great players in recent times which attempted at becoming managers and were/are awful:
Paul Scholes
Gary Neville
Wayne Rooney
Sol Campbell
Alan Shearer
Paul Ince
Michael Laudrup
Steven Gerrard (much of his success at Rangers was down to Michael Beale)

There's a belief that their success on the field will automatically carry over off the field and the vast majority land on their face after a matter of months never to be seen in the managerial box again. It just doesn't work like that.

But for that list you can then have:

Souness
Guardiola
Simeone
Dalglish
Zidane
Ancelotti
Rijkaard
Conte
Enrique
Pochetinno

All good players who became decent/great managers.

I get what you're saying but it's easy to get fixated on the 'great players don't make great managers' mantra when it's just not true.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

You can also add Arteta and Xabi Alonso to that list as well.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

But for that list you can then have:

Souness
Guardiola
Simeone
Dalglish
Zidane
Ancelotti
Rijkaard
Conte
Enrique
Pochetinno

All good players who became decent/great managers.

I get what you're saying but it's easy to get fixated on the 'great players don't make great managers' mantra when it's just not true.

I've not actually said that though... I've dispelled your view that good players automatically should have the tactical side of the game covered and be able to blueprint that straight off the bat into a managerial role.

Again, that's just not how it works and why I listed those names. For some it might work sure, but like I said, not all great players make good mangers.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I am still in the ‘meh’ group. Horneland would be very intriguing though.

Intriguing, perhaps. Never managed in England could count against him. The stock of managers coming from Sweden/Norway isn’t exactly great i.e. Solbakken, Tommasson and Solskjær.

There is not clear cut candidates out there who I’d be happy with other than Potter or Moyes.

I am coming around to the idea that Lampard could do a good job with this ‘deck’.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Intriguing, perhaps. Never managed in England could count against him. The stock of managers coming from Sweden/Norway isn’t exactly great i.e. Solbakken, Tommasson and Solskjær.

There is not clear cut candidates out there who I’d be happy with other than Potter or Moyes.

I am coming around to the idea that Lampard could do a good job with this ‘deck’.

I think he could, but that might mean King allowing him to reshape the coaching set up and daring to sign some players on loan or over 25.

 

[torchomatic]

Because it's a completely different skillset.

Look at some of the great players in recent times which attempted at becoming managers and were/are awful:
Paul Scholes
Gary Neville
Wayne Rooney
Sol Campbell
Alan Shearer
Paul Ince
Michael Laudrup
Steven Gerrard (much of his success at Rangers was down to Michael Beale)

There's a belief that their success on the field will automatically carry over off the field and the vast majority land on their face after a matter of months never to be seen in the managerial box again. It just doesn't work like that.

And some of the horrors we've give jobs to: Phil Neal, Terry Butcher, Gordon Strachan, Peter Reid...

 

[skybluecam]

I think he could, but that might mean King allowing him to reshape the coaching set up and daring to sign some players on loan or over 25.

From what King said yesterday I'd assume he can do as he wishes with the coaching staff

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And some of the horrors we've give jobs to: Phil Neal, Terry Butcher, Gordon Strachan, Peter Reid...

To be fair, Strachan and Reid did experience a fair bit of success elsewhere. Kevin Keegan another one who succeeded as player and manager.

 

[torchomatic]

To be fair, Strachan and Reid did experience a fair bit of success elsewhere. Kevin Keegan another one who succeeded as player and manager.

True, elsewhere. I'm looking from a CCFC POV.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

True, elsewhere. I'm looking from a CCFC POV.

Fair. The fact we have been a basket case for the past 25 years can’t help there!

 

[Sick Boy]

I think if an established PL came along he’d drop us in a heartbeat.

As would any other manager.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I think he could, but that might mean King allowing him to reshape the coaching set up and daring to sign some players on loan or over 25.

Dean Austin gave his reasons why the loan market is difficult. If you loan players they expect to play and if they don’t, it negatively impacts relationships with agents and clubs. Used Ayari as a great example, wasn’t good enough for us or Blackburn last season but is doing really well in the Prem now.

We’ve got an inexperienced team, a few boy wonders from the Prem won’t fix our squad. There’s a lack of leadership within the team which is one of the main reason we concede so many daft goals imo!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think if an established PL came along he’d drop us in a heartbeat.

That would only happen if he were doing somewhat well here. Which he kind of needs to after Everton and Chelsea.

 

[torchomatic]

Dean Austin gave his reasons why the loan market is difficult. If you loan players they expect to play and if they don’t, it negatively impacts relationships with agents and clubs. Used Ayari as a great example, wasn’t good enough for us or Blackburn last season but is doing really well in the Prem now.

We’ve got an inexperienced team, a few boy wonders from the Prem won’t fix our squad. There’s a lack of leadership within the team which is one of the main reason we concede so many daft goals imo!

Remember the situation with Ryan Giles when we had him on loan from Wolves. His loan was cancelled because McCallum was playing every game. We had a guy from Middlesborough 9/10 years ago too and they cancelled his loan for the same reason.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

That would only happen if he were doing somewhat well here. Which he kind of needs to after Everton and Chelsea.

He'd have to do seriously well for a PL club to ever consider him again I think. As in promotion and keep us up in the first season but to the point where we're finishing mid table.

 

[Robinshio]

Remember the situation with Ryan Giles when we had him on loan from Wolves. His loan was cancelled because McCallum was playing every game. We had a guy from Middlesborough 9/10 years ago too and they cancelled his loan for the same reason.

we had a guy from Brighton who did quite well though, and another from Villa - The one from Newcastle in league 1 was also fairly useful

 

[ceetee]

Ruud’s gone from Man Utd, too high profile for us though. His short run as interim would’ve done his reputation the world of good.

I mentioned him yesterday and all I got was ridicule so the forum has spoken

 

[Balli001]

I mentioned him yesterday and all I got was ridicule so the forum has spoken

On the basis he has done even less in his managerial career than Lampard

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Dean Austin gave his reasons why the loan market is difficult. If you loan players they expect to play and if they don’t, it negatively impacts relationships with agents and clubs. Used Ayari as a great example, wasn’t good enough for us or Blackburn last season but is doing really well in the Prem now.

We’ve got an inexperienced team, a few boy wonders from the Prem won’t fix our squad. There’s a lack of leadership within the team which is one of the main reason we concede so many daft goals imo!

I agree, but you could equally loan in some older heads not getting much time at their clubs.

 

[David O'Day]

RVN was very good at PSV, he's above us at the moment

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I agree, but you could equally loan in some older heads not getting much time at their clubs.

We tried to loan Joe Worrall but the thing is, players like him are the kind Prem teams want to move off their books permanently. Which is why he ended up at Burnley permanently!

 

[torchomatic]

we had a guy from Brighton who did quite well though, and another from Villa - The one from Newcastle in league 1 was also fairly useful

Bryn Morris was the guy I was thinking of. God knows why I remember that particular loan. The name doesn't mean anything.

 

[Macca]

Was Robins issue that he couldn’t motivate the players or that his tactics weren’t good enough?

Seemed to be able to motivate the old guard but not the new signings of last 12 months. Don't know really its all discussion points

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Bryn Morris was the guy I was thinking of. God knows why I remember that particular loan. The name doesn't mean anything.

Remember the days of Chuba Akpom going back to Arsenal to play youth games