Ccfcisparks
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He resigned to go to Madrid
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Calista
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Is that the sun literally shining out of Harry's arse?
TomRad85
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Completely mental take. If we do get him you'd have to be GIMOC level conspiracy theorist to think that's the reason.
Top 4 for Chelsea would be the very lowest of their expectations.
It's relative. The squad he had was stronger than that of all but a few of the rivals.
I just checked the results for them against the other 3 teams in the top four for that season: W 1 D 0 L 5. He was then sacked quickly the next season with them in mid table.also sacked in his second season with Everton with them 19th.
I'm not sure why I (or anyone) have to have an alternative if thinking this appointment (if it happens) is poor. I don't have a network across the football world telling me who's interested / available / feasible. I' d be looking for an up coming progressive appointment, though, and I don't think Lampard's that. He was a good player, that's it.
shmmeee
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Why? Family friend. No reason he should be in the running with his record. And you know ITKs on both sides saying it’s the case.
At some point your desperation to not feel like sacking robins was a fuck yo is the conspiracy. The idea we’ve got a dumbass chairman being advised by chancers seems the most likely.
JimmyHillsbeard
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He wasn’t sacked. He left Everton to return to Real Madrid.
Using this logic we would not have taken Robins back for a second time would we ??
AFCCOVENTRY
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Robins in my opinion was exposed tactically. I’m not the only one to say it. It might be very different for him if he had Adi by his side but who knows. He’s gone so need to accept that.
TomRad85
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I think you've lost it a little bit here.
I don't have desperation to prove anything because unlike most on here as i give my opinions as things stand rather than tie myself in knots. It's really not my fault the owner happened to agree with my take that Robins was done.
Balli001
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Difference there is they were both given the opportunity in league one with relatively well budgeted sides for that level. We are a level above that.
Otis
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I am really underwhelmed at the thought of Lampard and he does have this very poor record behind him, but all we can do now is to let him in with a clean slate and see how he does.
I do worry though, that as so many people seem against the idea of him being here, it would only take a mini bad run of results for fans to really turn on him
However, I do think we WILL get an immediate honeymoon period at first, so it will be down the line where problems might arise.
I do worry though, that as so many people seem against the idea of him being here, it would only take a mini bad run of results for fans to really turn on him
However, I do think we WILL get an immediate honeymoon period at first, so it will be down the line where problems might arise.
I genuinely don't understand this comment.
We were at rock bottom when appointing Robins. Plus he actually had a good record managing teams against the odds (only really underwhelmed at Huddersfield) and most importantly, had had a promising stint with us. There's no similarity at all.
shmmeee
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I think when you’re claiming with a straight face this was the best appointment on the table you’ve already tied yourself in knots.
Ccfcisparks
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In theory we should get better Chelsea cast offs than we were getting with Viveash.
I can imagine the quality of player we can tempt is much better.
I just don’t want us to become “Frank Lampards Coventry City”
least there’s another player I can have in my Coventry city past and present team on FC
I can imagine the quality of player we can tempt is much better.
I just don’t want us to become “Frank Lampards Coventry City”
least there’s another player I can have in my Coventry city past and present team on FC
TomRad85
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I really haven't but crack on.
There are appointments i'd prefer, but we have no idea if they were ever actually on the table.
I assume you can find some links somewhere between Doug and his lifelong best mate Harry Redknapp if they are such good chums?
Weren’t Chelsea under a transfer embargo the first time as well and he still got them into champions league. From memory at Chelsea (first time) and Derby he worked with and improved/developed a lot of younger players which is what we want. As I’ve said before whether it’s a good fit or not, only time will tell, but I can see why we’d go for him
My point is most managers that Championship clubs attract have failed somewhere.
Robins finished 18th at Barnsley before he left
He avoided relegation at Huddersfield on the last game of the season
He was sacked by Scunthorpe when they were just 6 points above the relegation Zone.
He then had over a year out of the game before he rejoined us. Hardly the appointment of dreams.
He went on too be absolutely brilliant for us.
letsallsingtogether
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I think it would be big mistake taking Lampard, not good enough not better then Robins for sure.
Thought we were going for an upgrade!
He is not an upgrade.
Thought we were going for an upgrade!
He is not an upgrade.
JimmyHillsbeard
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1. I was shocked but not surprised by the Robins sacking. Tbh the timing of it seemed weird and after wins vs Luton and Middlesbrough it seemed that the owner’s itchy finger was going to be exercised after the next defeat wherever it was.
2. I thought that King’s defence of his position at the fans forum and later on TalkSPORT rang very true. His diagnosis of our performances since the fa cup quarter final last year was exactly in line with many conversations I’ve had with fellow fans - including those on here. Setting the record straight on why the coaching structure was reformed and the danger posed to Robins if the club couldn’t recruit a new first team coach (and to be fair they *did* readvertise in order to try and bring someone in) meant that I was reconciled with King’s thinking. The only caveat being that he had to get the appointment right.
3) critical to that vision was the appointment of a new Head Coach rather than manager and the possible introduction of a Sporting Director. We seemed to have an interesting set of big names interested, and were being linked with intriguing coach possibilities from the lower leagues.
4) Now if we are to appoint Lampard, I want to know what that means for the above. The set-out vision of a head coach doesn’t run true if Lampard has the final say over transfers and brings in his own first team coach (Morris) to work under him. On the transfer front I wonder if one of the things that turned King against Robins was the desperation to recruit EMC, the public moaning that he was loaned back rather than being brought in directly in January, and then the failure (and possible unwillingness) to find a viable role for him this season.
I’ll support whoever the manager is - I even wanted Boothroyd to do well although I feared he’d be terrible (he was). Nevertheless, there’s some significant reverse ferreting going on if we make Lampard the coach after what has been said this past 7 days.
2. I thought that King’s defence of his position at the fans forum and later on TalkSPORT rang very true. His diagnosis of our performances since the fa cup quarter final last year was exactly in line with many conversations I’ve had with fellow fans - including those on here. Setting the record straight on why the coaching structure was reformed and the danger posed to Robins if the club couldn’t recruit a new first team coach (and to be fair they *did* readvertise in order to try and bring someone in) meant that I was reconciled with King’s thinking. The only caveat being that he had to get the appointment right.
3) critical to that vision was the appointment of a new Head Coach rather than manager and the possible introduction of a Sporting Director. We seemed to have an interesting set of big names interested, and were being linked with intriguing coach possibilities from the lower leagues.
4) Now if we are to appoint Lampard, I want to know what that means for the above. The set-out vision of a head coach doesn’t run true if Lampard has the final say over transfers and brings in his own first team coach (Morris) to work under him. On the transfer front I wonder if one of the things that turned King against Robins was the desperation to recruit EMC, the public moaning that he was loaned back rather than being brought in directly in January, and then the failure (and possible unwillingness) to find a viable role for him this season.
I’ll support whoever the manager is - I even wanted Boothroyd to do well although I feared he’d be terrible (he was). Nevertheless, there’s some significant reverse ferreting going on if we make Lampard the coach after what has been said this past 7 days.
If it really was Lampard, RVN and Carsley in the running then Lampard would be a distant third on the list for me.
However I will get behind him, it’s not his fault Robins got sacked.
It has felt like it would be him all along though, get the impression King had already made the decision a little while ago.
However I will get behind him, it’s not his fault Robins got sacked.
It has felt like it would be him all along though, get the impression King had already made the decision a little while ago.
Ccfcisparks
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How do we expect Frank to line us up then.
Any players we think will particularly flourish or be important in his system?
Any players we think will particularly flourish or be important in his system?
Exactly. It’s bizarre the negativity on here. Saying that it’s been going on all season even when robins was here
Agree with a lot of that but pretty sure during the forum they indicated Robins had final say over transfers with the comment that he’s the one who’s got to work with the new players. I presume this would be the same whoever came in
RoboCCFC90
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IF it is Frank Lampard, then that's perfectly acceptable for me.
Lampard has full time EFL experience as a manager, as opposed to Carsley and RVN who do not. He got into the play-offs too, but ended up losing out to Villa, which with some of the quality in that team then is no embarrassment.
He did a decent job at Chelsea in his first season too, permitting they lost their best player to Real Madrid and were under a transfer embargo, he still managed to get Chelsea to a 4th place finish and last 16 of the Champions League. It ultimately didn't work out at Chelsea, but the experience of developing and utilising the players at his disposal would stand him in good stead.
Lampard then popped up at Everton when they were in a relegation battle, when he initially went in, and kept them up at the end of that season, job done. He left with them in the relegation zone and hasn't been since.
Both Chelsea and Everton can be considered partly successful because of the issues at both clubs.
Moving on to him coming here, he's going to have money to spend, hopefully an involvement in transfers and his reputation precedes him, players will want to come and play for Coventry because of the Lampard factor, those already here will want to up it and learn from Lampard.
As a player he's won everything at club level that there is to win, at an elite level, if he can bring that winning mentality here then brilliant.
Can't believe some of the overreactions on here and Twatter from Cov fans, it's embarrassing.
Lampard has full time EFL experience as a manager, as opposed to Carsley and RVN who do not. He got into the play-offs too, but ended up losing out to Villa, which with some of the quality in that team then is no embarrassment.
He did a decent job at Chelsea in his first season too, permitting they lost their best player to Real Madrid and were under a transfer embargo, he still managed to get Chelsea to a 4th place finish and last 16 of the Champions League. It ultimately didn't work out at Chelsea, but the experience of developing and utilising the players at his disposal would stand him in good stead.
Lampard then popped up at Everton when they were in a relegation battle, when he initially went in, and kept them up at the end of that season, job done. He left with them in the relegation zone and hasn't been since.
Both Chelsea and Everton can be considered partly successful because of the issues at both clubs.
Moving on to him coming here, he's going to have money to spend, hopefully an involvement in transfers and his reputation precedes him, players will want to come and play for Coventry because of the Lampard factor, those already here will want to up it and learn from Lampard.
As a player he's won everything at club level that there is to win, at an elite level, if he can bring that winning mentality here then brilliant.
Can't believe some of the overreactions on here and Twatter from Cov fans, it's embarrassing.
Robins had the final say on incoming players the new head coach will have the same.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Meeting expectations is not a bad thing thing. Considering Chelsea had lost Hazard and were under a transfer embargo, that 4th place finish was respectable, he developed a big crop of talented players that raised significant sums of money for their FFP.
As for his record against the Top 4, he didn’t do well against Pep, Klopp and Solskjær… that’s not the indictment you may think it is. We’re not a Prem club and we’re not hiring a manager who is the best of the best.
In any case, I’ve not seen a convincing argument that Lampard isn’t the most qualified for the role in terms of his experience.
Lampard is not my preferred choice (RVN is) but he seems to want the job more than RVN who would be the next best candidate.
JimmyHillsbeard
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Yes Robins did.
It would make sense to replace like for like but they did outline the difference between a head coach and manager in terms of player development and improvement rather than recruitment which wd be a SD’s role.
Calista
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You didn't just give an opinion about Robins' tactics. You gave him nine league games after appointing his new coaching team before posting a thread called "Robins has to go" on 5th October. If you look at the reactions, it was really divisive. But now you are calling for unity and saying the SBA will back the new head coach and the team. I'm just pointing out the double standards.
I've said several times that as a supporter I'll back the new guy just like I backed the previous one. I've seen plenty of them over the years.
JimmyHillsbeard
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I suspect you’re right (and there have been mentions in the press that Lampard was keen to secure this if he came to us) but to my ears that was not how King explained the difference between a manager and Head Coach a week ago.
Nick
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It's so strange.
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