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Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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stupot07 said:
Sometimes you just get lucky with a group of kids, Fergie was the same with the class of 99. You just end up with a really strong group all in the same group.
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Yes, but he was ‘lucky’ at Derby, Chelsea and then Everton. The common denominator is that Lampard, for all his perceived and real faults, is at least good at developing talent. We’ve got bags of it in our team and a few additions I believe we’ll have a great team.

I wouldn’t turn round and say Robins was lucky with our youth intake and signings throughout the years. Yes, there’s always an element of luck in this industry, but managers develop certain skill sets and expertises. Robins had a great track record at ‘crisis clubs’ for his early career.
 
Cov98

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"Interestingly, Football Insider have also reported that Coventry's board didn't want the Blades to be Lampard's first opponents"

Odd one that. Personally, and no disrespect to Rhys, I'd much prefer the idea of the new manager on Saturday rather than the caretaker.

I can understand that it's a tough game and if he loses it everyone will jump on him, but do we really stand much of a chance anyway?
 
Cov98

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clint van damme said:
This surely can't be true?
It's just fucking odd.
Get in and get on with it, I can't see Lampard would want this.
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My thoughts exactly.

Surely he would want to get in and get to work with the lads, sorry, the 'deck' straight away.

And then from the other stand point, it's not exactly showing much faith in the new manager if you want to shield him from a difficult game is it?
 
Sick Boy

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Cov98 said:
"Interestingly, Football Insider have also reported that Coventry's board didn't want the Blades to be Lampard's first opponents"

Odd one that. Personally, and no disrespect to Rhys, I'd much prefer the idea of the new manager on Saturday rather than the caretaker.

I can understand that it's a tough game and if he loses it everyone will jump on him, but do we really stand much of a chance anyway?
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We’re playing Sheff Utd not Real Madrid. There’s no reason why we can’t beat them.
 
stupot07

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Yes, but he was ‘lucky’ at Derby, Chelsea and then Everton. The common denominator is that Lampard, for all his perceived and real faults, is at least good at developing talent. We’ve got bags of it in our team and a few additions I believe we’ll have a great team.

I wouldn’t turn round and say Robins was lucky with our youth intake and signings throughout the years. Yes, there’s always an element of luck in this industry, but managers develop certain skill sets and expertises. Robins had a great track record at ‘crisis clubs’ for his early career.
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They were the same kids at Derby and Chelsea.to get 3 come through at the same age and all develop requires an element of luck, a good group with the right mentality and desire. It rarely happens.
 
shmmeee

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Again. What kids are waiting in the wings for us for a manager to give them a chance? It’s just not relevant to us as a club to have a manager who gives youth a chance. And that’s all a first team manager does to “develop youth”, the majority is done by the coaches in the academy and the kids talent and application. As stu says the number that come through generally are a product of that.
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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stupot07 said:
They were the same kids at Derby and Chelsea.to get 3 come through at the same age and all develop requires an element of luck, a good group with the right mentality and desire. It rarely happens.
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Does Lampard not deserve any credit then? Mason Mount is a great example of a player that probably wouldn’t have been given a chance to shine at Chelsea had they not had an embargo and hired a big name manager. It takes one thing to develop players like Tomori and Mount to be top Championship players and another 2-3 gears to get to the top end of the Premiership. To put it down to pure luck is just not accurate or fair.

As Cov fans, we hate the idea that Amorim has ‘made’ Gyokeres because we remember what he was like when he first joined. With hindsight, many neutrals are asking how did we not get promoted with Hamer and Gyokeres because they’re great players. Obviously we know that MR and his staff developed a lot of players, Hamer and Vik probably wouldn’t have got to where they ended up without us - or at least not as quickly.
 
skybluecam

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shmmeee said:
Again. What kids are waiting in the wings for us for a manager to give them a chance? It’s just not relevant to us as a club to have a manager who gives youth a chance. And that’s all a first team manager does to “develop youth”, the majority is done by the coaches in the academy and the kids talent and application. As stu says the number that come through generally are a product of that.
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It's not about "kids waiting in the wings"?

We've got plenty of young players with some experience who we need to kick on to the next level (Dovin, Thomas, Binks, Eccles, Torp, Rudoni, Simms etc.). That's what Lampard has done elsewhere.
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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shmmeee said:
Again. What kids are waiting in the wings for us for a manager to give them a chance? It’s just not relevant to us as a club to have a manager who gives youth a chance. And that’s all a first team manager does to “develop youth”, the majority is done by the coaches in the academy and the kids talent and application. As stu says the number that come through generally are a product of that.
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We don’t know this because we’re not with the players day to day. Take a player like Kalvin Phillips, he wasn’t destined for great things until Bielsa saw something in him and developed him.

Besides, it’s not just the academy, most of our squad is U25 so could do with being developed by top coaches.
 
stupot07

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Does Lampard not deserve any credit then? Mason Mount is a great example of a player that probably wouldn’t have been given a chance to shine at Chelsea had they not had an embargo and hired a big name manager. It takes one thing to develop players like Tomori and Mount to be top Championship players and another 2-3 gears to get to the top end of the Premiership. To put it down to pure luck is just not accurate or fair.

As Cov fans, we hate the idea that Amorim has ‘made’ Gyokeres because we remember what he was like when he first joined. With hindsight, many neutrals are asking how did we not get promoted with Hamer and Gyokeres because they’re great players. Obviously we know that MR and his staff developed a lot of players, Hamer and Vik probably wouldn’t have got to where they ended up without us - or at least not as quickly.
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🤣🤣🤣 Of course he has some credit. I'm just saying that he's been fortunate to have bad a conveyor belt of top young talent, that have been good enough to be given a chance.

Is it robin's fault that Andrews isn't at the level yet or Ryan Howley who can't even start at a Scottish div 2 side? They have to come to you good enough and with the right attributes. He's had elite kids, all top internationals at their age group.
 
shmmeee

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skybluecam said:
It's not about "kids waiting in the wings"?

We've got plenty of young players with some experience who we need to kick on to the next level (Dovin, Thomas, Binks, Eccles, Torp, Rudoni, Simms etc.). That's what Lampard has done elsewhere.
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You’ve named a bunch of first team players. They aren’t waiting to get a chance like the Chelsea kids. Mason Mount was a top prospect before he ever met Frank Lampard, comparing him to Vik who by all accounts was heading away from top level football and turned it around here is silly.

What players have improved as a result of working with Lampard as a coach, not wonderkids who got given a chance from a loan or a transfer embargo.
 
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