Frank Lampard Rumours (24 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Do you know what the word potential means?

I'm giving up on you now. You seem to have abandoned rational thought.

Here come the insults again. Always a sign of a well reasoned argument

We need someone who will get more out of the players than they’ve shown under Robins. Happy with that? Otherwise what’s the point in sacking him!

 

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[Chris1987]

Yep got it bang on.

The self confessed Chelsea expert

 

[Chris1987]

Exactly. Hes not started. He’s not the manager. All this “support him in the job” stuff is a bit silly when as of now he doesn’t have the job.

So if he is announced as coach will you be supporting him?

 

[Chris1987]

I've said it on another post, I remember the meltdown when Sillett and Curtis were appointed and look how that worked out?

Just bemused by the attempts to big up his managerial career so far.

I'm bemused by the attempts of one individual in particular to constantly slag him off

 

[quinn1971]

Here come the insults again. Always a sign of a well reasoned argument

We need someone who will get more out of the players than they’ve shown under Robins. Happy with that? Otherwise what’s the point in sacking him!

Watched a great interview with Martin O’Neil talking to Troy deeney about how he shouldn’t have said what he said about dabbo, gave an example , said in his first managerial job at Wycombe he walked in thinking because of what he’d done as a player with forest the players would worship him, couldn’t have been more wrong, they didn’t give a shit what he’d done, he had to earn they’re respect, derby, Everton and Chelsea might not have been the right club for Lampard although he nearly got derby up , if it is him he could be exactly what we need, hopefully it all just clicks into place

 

[Chris1987]

Surely Chelsea finishing 4th is the minimum expectation for a club that’s spent as much money as them over the years

Simplistic view. Money spent recklessly as it was frequently at Chelsea means bugger all.

 

[skybluecam]

Here come the insults again. Always a sign of a well reasoned argument

We need someone who will get more out of the players than they’ve shown under Robins. Happy with that? Otherwise what’s the point in sacking him!

Obviously.

We don't need any "change in their potential" though. Most of our players have shown the potential to be good at this level, they just need to perform that way consistently.

 

[Chris1987]

Here come the insults again. Always a sign of a well reasoned argument

We need someone who will get more out of the players than they’ve shown under Robins. Happy with that? Otherwise what’s the point in sacking him!

Utterly hypocritical re the insults

 

[Nuskyblue]

Exactly. I’m probably coming across as ‘pro-Lampard’ because I’m saying he’s objectively the best candidate. Some of the criticisms just don’t add up, Lampard isn’t ’just a name’.

I’m ‘meh’ about it because I have my reservations but if people look at it from a level-headed approach, Lampard and his staff could potentially offer us a lot. Lampard has a good team, Jody Morris and/or Ashley Cole are excellent coaches so even if they don’t take us to the Prem, they could move the club forward in other ways.

I’m choosing to be optimistic about things and time will tell if Lampard is the appointment and ultimately, a success or not. It’s make or break for Lampard too.

He and Jody Morris have parted ways I think

 

[Warwickhunt]

He and Jody Morris have parted ways I think

Perhaps Adi will work with him

 

[SBTasha]

That's where I am with it.

Derby - Lampard is a genius and an amazing manager

Chelsea - Lampard is a genius and an amazing manager

Everton - absolutely nothing Lampard or anyone could have done. Can't place any blame on Lampard.

Chelsea - absolutely nothing Lampard or anyone could have done. Can't place any blame on Lampard

Finally some sense . Only took 114 pages!

 

[rob9872]

Nice to see some of you putting down your petty squabbles from the political thread and really getting behind showing your love to support a Tory 🩵🩵🩵

 

[RobinsSkyBlues]

After reading through lots of pages trying to catch up I am unsure if this was about Lampard or if it was a competition to see who could come out with the most insults with people they don't agree with. Or how about saying some people want Lampard to fail because they're a bit worried about his appointment. King has shown us he will get rid and pay off a recently started contract. How long would he give Lampard if things don't go to plan? We have seen what stability does for you. I don't want to go back to a different manager about every season just to start again.

How about the subject of Lampard bringing on young players from Chelsea? Clubs at the top of the Prem hoard the best young players after paying what is peanuts to them. Of course some make the grade. Clubs like ours struggle to compete with them.

Sometimes a club at our level get lucky. A young player might stay with their club to get game time instead of taking the money and becoming just a number, or they make a mistake like with Brighton and Gyokeres. But it's quite rare these days.

 

[Great_Expectations]

We’ll never know how the recruitment process was ran and what has/hasn’t been done, so it could be completely unfair, but this just seems lazy.

There are talented coaches out there who are showing how tactically aware and, at times, innovative they can be. I’ve mentioned several times examples, but Horneland and Nancy are two obvious ones.

Perhaps we did all that, but it’s been Lampard rumours since day one and, if one of the most reliable ITK’s is correct, since QPR away.

Feel like with some of the extremes on here every post has to be caveated; I’ll support Lampard, and I think he’ll do a decent job, but it’s anti climactic for me.

Massive decision to remove MR and a chance to make a big statement of intent with an exciting, up and coming coach, and we’ve gone for Frank Lampard.

 

[bigfatronssba]

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Surely Chelsea finishing 4th is the minimum expectation for a club that’s spent as much money as them over the years

But using that argument it means Chelsea have had no good managers over the last 20 years

 

[Deity]

We’ll never know how the recruitment process was ran and what has/hasn’t been done, so it could be completely unfair, but this just seems lazy.

There are talented coaches out there who are showing how tactically aware and, at times, innovative they can be. I’ve mentioned several times examples, but Horneland and Nancy are two obvious ones.

Perhaps we did all that, but it’s been Lampard rumours since day one and, if one of the most reliable ITK’s is correct, since QPR away.

Feel like with some of the extremes on here every post has to be caveated; I’ll support Lampard, and I think he’ll do a decent job, but it’s anti climactic for me.

Massive decision to remove MR and a chance to make a big statement of intent with an exciting, up and coming coach, and we’ve gone for Frank Lampard.

I understand the point but the EFL and Premier League is littered with clubs who have tried and failed with foreign coaches.

Talented foreign coaches sometimes work, sometimes they don’t. They just come with a different set of risks.

I guess it depends on where you want to place your risk.

I think it could be argued that appointing Robins second time round was lazy, but it turned out brilliantly well.

 

[clint van damme]

I think it could be argued that appointing Robins second time round was lazy, but it turned out brilliantly well.

I'd love to hear that argument, and who a team on the verge of relegation to L2 should have appointed?!

 

[Deity]

I'd love to hear that argument, and who a team on the verge of relegation to L2 should have appointed?!

I said it turned out brilliantly well.

however after he left us first time he failed twice and was in the coaching wilderness for 18 months. It wasn’t a coup to get him, or as a consequence of a long and thorough process. It was a calculated gamble, and it paid off big time.

It could have been argued that turning to a former manager was lazy was my point not that I would have wanted someone else.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

I'd love to hear that argument, and who a team on the verge of relegation to L2 should have appointed?!

I agree with you as he was the only manager who seemed to work at the club in that period.

But if I’m not wrong, we had no recruitment process and seemingly recruited him since he was very good friends of the chairman who lost the chief executive to bring him.

 

[Deity]

To give another example ….

Liverpool have chosen a Dutch coach despite Dutch coaches having an awful track record in English football over many decades.

They decided to take that risk.

So far it looks inspired.

 

[clint van damme]

I said it turned out brilliantly well.

however after he left us first time he failed twice and was in the coaching wilderness for 18 months. It wasn’t a coup to get him, or as a consequence of a long and thorough process. It was a calculated gamble, and it paid off big time.

It could have been argued that turning to a former manager was lazy was my point not that I would have wanted someone else.

I honestly doubt, given the state of the club, we were a very attractive proposition.
We definitely have far more options available now.
I don't see going down another route as any less or more of a gamble than Lampard but I just don't think the comparison with the reappointment Robins stands up personally.

 

[covcity4life]

Well this is it in a nutshell really.

He may well be brilliant for us, and I sincerely hope he is, but there is nothing wrong with pointing out his previous failures - that doesn't mean anyone wants him to fail now, that's a ridiculous thing to say.

Point out previous failures then. Everton. Chelsea second stint

Going after first Chelsea stint just screams troll. Even if you don't think it's a massive achievement to only se negatives in it shows real intentions

Ppl are taking out the sacking of robins on lampard and it's unfair

 

[stupot07]

To give another example ….

Liverpool have chosen a Dutch coach despite Dutch coaches having an awful track record in English football over many decades.

They decided to take that risk.

So far it looks inspired.

That would only have made sense of he had failed in his last 2 appointments and been out of a job for 18 months.

Hiddink did a decent job as did Koeman at Southampton, Gullit was good at Chelsea,

 

[stupot07]

I honestly doubt, given the state of the club, we were a very attractive proposition.
We definitely have far more options available now.
I don't see going down another route as any less or more of a gamble than Lampard but I just don't think the comparison with the reappointment Robins stands up personally.

It doesn't at all.

 

[Otis]

We’ll never know how the recruitment process was ran and what has/hasn’t been done, so it could be completely unfair, but this just seems lazy.

There are talented coaches out there who are showing how tactically aware and, at times, innovative they can be. I’ve mentioned several times examples, but Horneland and Nancy are two obvious ones.

Perhaps we did all that, but it’s been Lampard rumours since day one and, if one of the most reliable ITK’s is correct, since QPR away.

Feel like with some of the extremes on here every post has to be caveated; I’ll support Lampard, and I think he’ll do a decent job, but it’s anti climactic for me.

Massive decision to remove MR and a chance to make a big statement of intent with an exciting, up and coming coach, and we’ve gone for Frank Lampard.

Yeah, if I had to sum up my feelings in one word it would be "underwhelmed."

Let's hope we are all eating humble pie come the end of the season.

Unless he's sacked before that of course.

 

[bigfatronssba]

It was for 2 of the 3 full seasons he had here

Was it? Since promotion we’ve never struggled to compete

 

[procdoc]

But using that argument it means Chelsea have had no good managers over the last 20 years
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Nope. The minimum expectation at a club like Chelsea is champions league football. Lampard achieved that with them in the first season, but it was what the club would have expected. Had they not finished 4th they probably would have sacked him that summer

 

[clint van damme]

Point out previous failures then. Everton. Chelsea second stint

Going after first Chelsea stint just screams troll. Even if you don't think it's a massive achievement to only se negatives in it shows real intentions

Ppl are taking out the sacking of robins on lampard and it's unfair

In his first stint he got sacked with them in 9th place.
Tuchel came in and got them to 3rd and won the CL. His first season may have been OK but they were top 4 fora few seasons prior to that as well.

 

[Stevenage_sky_blue]

Come on you're not silly , it's hardly like managing Bournemouth or Southampton in the Premier league is it ?

Arguably more pressure and expectation though managing the Chelsea owners unrealistic expectations and time frame for a young inexperienced manager. Also, a team full of owners playthings/big names all wanting to play, square pegs in round holes and all that.

I don’t know if you saw that interview with Frank when he was explaining the issues of having to appease 30 big egos and having to manage the fall out of those that only made the bench or worse still the match day squad.

Not having a pop Evo but I would argue that managing Chelsea their abundant riches and expectations of a very wealthy/ruthless owner far exceeds, expectations of the likes of Bournemouth and Southampton, no disrespect to either, many many bigger names than Frank Lampard have fallen on the sword at that club.

 

[CovLis86]

People saying he achieved on par with expectations as if that's a bad thing...

We are UNDERACHIEVING. Robins was sacked for that. He wasn't sacked 'for' Lampard. Another phrase being used that's doing my head in. He was sacked, and if it's Lampard chosen to do the job then back him.

If he manages to 'perform to par' which I think most would say is playoffs, then I'd say surely that's a good thing?

Back the staff, back the players, back the club. If not willing to do the above, stop calling yourself a supporter. Look up the definition of the word.

 

[SBT]

If he manages to 'perform to par' which I think most would say is playoffs, then I'd say surely that's a good thing?

If he manages that this season it would probably be the biggest achievement of his coaching career.

 

[CovLis86]

If he manages that this season it would probably be the biggest achievement of his coaching career.

Let's hope then, eh?

 

[covcity4life]

In his first stint he got sacked with them in 9th place.
Tuchel came in and got them to 3rd and won the CL. His first season may have been OK but they were top 4 fora few seasons prior to that as well.

Like I said only looking at negatives

He achieved 4th with a transfer ban and promoted slot of youth due to this. There are positives too.

If you can't see both sides of coin after what I've said I really don't know what else to say

 

[covcity4life]

People saying he achieved on par with expectations as if that's a bad thing...

We are UNDERACHIEVING. Robins was sacked for that. He wasn't sacked 'for' Lampard. Another phrase being used that's doing my head in. He was sacked, and if it's Lampard chosen to do the job then back him.

If he manages to 'perform to par' which I think most would say is playoffs, then I'd say surely that's a good thing?

Back the staff, back the players, back the club. If not willing to do the above, stop calling yourself a supporter. Look up the definition of the word.

It's easier to pretend robins was victim of a evil master plan from king and redknapp as it then suits the posters wanting to hate the new manager

Very childish

 

[procdoc]

Arguably more pressure and expectation though managing the Chelsea owners unrealistic expectations and time frame for a young inexperienced manager. Also, a team full of owners playthings/big names all wanting to play, square pegs in round holes and all that.

I don’t know if you saw that interview with Frank when he was explaining the issues of having to appease 30 big egos and having to manage the fall out of those that only made the bench or worse still the match day squad.

Not having a pop Evo but I would argue that managing Chelsea their abundant riches and expectations of a very wealthy/ruthless owner far exceeds, expectations of the likes of Bournemouth and Southampton, no disrespect to either, many many bigger names than Frank Lampard have fallen on the sword at that club.

How are the expectations unrealistic when you spend 200 million on players each season?