Gint11
Well-Known Member
Completely disagree about Ipads. I use mine every day. They are class.
"Ooh, but my android phone is SO customisable"
"Yeah but does it work all of the time?"
"No"
"Shut up then"
But yeah, ipads are a waste of time though.
If they want the freehold at all they have to pay market price, if they want the unfettered freehold well they simply aren't going to get it, while it might technically be possible it would cost a massive ammount more than it's worth and be incredibly complex, they could however buy the freehold and acl which is nearly the same as having the unfettered freehold and a million times more reasonable.
I have slightly confused things there and my apologies, but if Sisu could purchase the freehold and managed to dispose of the current lease (whether this be by purchasing ACL or a another) they could then simply set up a new lease to replace the existing one.
No Worries
Yes but buying acl seems to be the only reasonable way to do this and thats not what they are saying they want.
They want the council to dispose of the lease and then sell them the freehold which is impossible.
though many will try and steer the debate away from this central position;
I hold your postulations in the highest contempt!!!
I assume acl own the contracts? What would happen if prior to sake the loan was demanded back and they were liquidated? What happens to the contracts?
Completely disagree about Ipads. I use mine every day. They are class.
Their contracts would transfer over to the company who was owed the morgage debt, as that is the council they would still have to buy out the contracts to get total controll of the ricoh.
Their contracts would transfer over to the company who was owed the morgage debt, as that is the council they would still have to buy out the contracts to get total controll of the ricoh.
I don't see how that would happen. Why?
So is this the model for the new stadium they are building, or is it just a stadium they are building. I genuinely don t know, so could someone enlighten meI'm sorry MMM, I'm with grenduffy on this. The whole package. A night in a hotel, 3 meals. Booze and games in a casino. Valet parking. Other outlets benefiting from sales. That's the key
90 mins and a balti pie. Forget it
Point proven.
Two points. Firstly, do you have any evidence that PH4 wanted this? I have it on record he wanted to buy the council's share of ACL, and there are reports that he wanted to buy the Higgs share too. He expressed an interest in the football club in administration too. But I can't see anywhere where it's reported be looked at the freehold of the Arena, or it's surrounding land. Without this, all we're left with is 'I bet he wanted', or 'I think his ambition was'.....
Whereas, and the reason I wanted to separate the debates, is that this is a statement, made by the leader of the council, coming from her own lips. Therefore we, can debate as to how 'reasonable' it is. That's the difference
Exactly, but some people on this forum like to look for things that aren't actually there as fact or like to assume that PH4 is just as bad as Sisu. I just have one question to all those that keep bringing up the point about PH4 is a developer and he would do bad things too, if PH4 managed to get control of CCFC and either partial or full ownership of the arena, would CCFC be playing home games 35 miles away?
No and if the council ACL with the support of the trust had not forced the administration through we probably wouldn't be now either.
Exactly, but some people on this forum like to look for things that aren't actually there as fact or like to assume that PH4 is just as bad as Sisu. I just have one question to all those that keep bringing up the point about PH4 is a developer and he would do bad things too, if PH4 managed to get control of CCFC and either partial or full ownership of the arena, would CCFC be playing home games 35 miles away?
No and if the council ACL with the support of the trust had not forced the administration through we probably wouldn't be now either.
Exactly, but some people on this forum like to look for things that aren't actually there as fact or like to assume that PH4 is just as bad as Sisu. I just have one question to all those that keep bringing up the point about PH4 is a developer and he would do bad things too, if PH4 managed to get control of CCFC and either partial or full ownership of the arena, would CCFC be playing home games 35 miles away?
Also would he be demanding freehold everything? Or work and develop alongside the council?
A comment was made by the council that SISU have never outlined a viable plan of their intentions....that is where the mistrust has come from along with SISUs forwards backwards, pretend it we never said it approach to negotiations.
That I could agree with Hobo, Sisu can't even outline their own plans for a new stadium properly.
PH4 wouldn't demand anything, but like Sisu or anyone else that comes along PH4 would have to pay Market Value for the Arena, I don't see personally the interest of a 50% stake in the Arena for PH4 it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Oh dear lord.
No one has ever said PH4 would do bad things, but if you want to discuss facts its relevant to state then that PH4 is a Property Developer, why in Merlins beard would he invest into a facility like the Ricoh and not look to expand or develop it? It makes no sense, as it made no sense for Byng to not want the Freehold, now MMM was nice to say he disagrees and is aware of information that states PH4 wanted otherwise unbeknown to everyone else..
You talk about reading things that aren't actually there but from the looks of your post its pot calls the kettle black.
40 million a year sponsorship of the Premier League doesn't make sense, but Barclays have done it for 13 years.
Lots of things in Business don't seem to make sense. Even more so in football business. But I can't see PH4 coming now unless SISU go back into Admin.
I am of the belief that this is the issue though. Your comment implies its unreasonable, my response suggests its the only arrangement any sane buyer would countenance.
No and if the council ACL with the support of the trust had not forced the administration through we probably wouldn't be now either.
What?
Do you actually believe the shit you type?
How on earth can ANYONE force administration on another company? Unless you'd say that jail time is "forced" onto a criminal as opposed to just being the well stated consequences of their actions.
It's comments like this that make me think you don't give two shits about the club, you just want to see an argument.
Everyone wants ccfc to own the arena, to get all the match day revenue, to get revenue from pubs and hotels, everyone wants the arena expanded and developed, to get a train station etc etc. No one thinks this is a bad thing, PH4 was alledgedly in discussions to buy acl which is exactly what needs to happen in order to start this process.
The problems are sisu want something that is unreasonable and for all intents and purposes impossible and they have demonstrated they are willing to massively hurt the club in order to get what they want, so it follows that them getting the arena, is not going to lead to some rosy situation of ccfc happy at the ricoh with all the revenues unless its the best thing for them and it probably isn't.
Ph4 was brought into this discussion as a deflection, unable to actually justify what sisu are wanting grendel attempted to deflect the issue by inferring that ph4 wanted the same thing, when 1) thats irrelevant to defending sisus demands and 2) is probably not true anyway since it seemed he was going to go the correct route of buying acl.
WTF has this got to do with anything?
You come out with some obscure irrelevant comparisons sometimes Torch. Is it not acceptable to you for the poster to say "Joy has admitted she knows nothing about football" and leave it there? Its a factually correct statement isn't it?
What?
Do you actually believe the shit you type?
How on earth can ANYONE force administration on another company? Unless you'd say that jail time is "forced" onto a criminal as opposed to just being the well stated consequences of their actions.
It's comments like this that make me think you don't give two shits about the club, you just want to see an argument.
Administration is began by a process - it doesn't just happen one day. You don't just wake up and administration pops up out of milk wood.
The only reason it was started was because ACL and the council thought they could boot sisu out and bring Haskell in. They had their administrator ready and waiting. They failed.
Noggin can you point me to the statement in bold, I did ask MMM but have had no response.
I do not have an issue with what you are saying Noggin as it does seem to make most sense, as we have both said there is a certain way Sisu should go about this and it's not the way they're currently going about it, IMO they need to purchase the Higgs' 50% share in the first instance.
epic fail that only their fans can defend.
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