Fury v Wilder

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  1. bringbackrattles

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    Never watched or listened to the fight. By all accounts Fury edged it ? Fair play to Fury he is some character, and a better fighter than I thought.
     
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    No idea why so many wrote TF off, he will get justice in the rematch. I would love to see him fight Joshua, I think he’d do him as well.
     
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    It might be that Wilder vs Joshua is already lined up for this summer.

    and I'm rather warming to Fury, an imperfect role model.
     
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    I’m not much of a boxing follower but even I know AJ won’t want to fight Fury as Fury has a decent chance of beating him and it’d ruin his brand!
     
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    115-111 to Wilder what was that judge watching? Another robbery similar to that of the GGG vs Canelo fight. One of the judges gave Wilder the first 4 rounds, madness!
     
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    Was listening to 5 Live yesterday and they were talking about it being a golden age of boxing. How can they say that when its obvious to everyone its a fix. Pretty much every big fight there's a dubious result and a rematch.
     
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    Still think AJ would beat Fury - going to hit him more often than Wilder did - but think AJ wouldn't get up if Wilder caught him like he did Fury last night in the 12th.
     
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    Love this, always thought he was a knob but credit to him on this
     
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    It would be close I reckon, AJ would prefer Wilder than Fury. Fury is an awkward fighter and this is why I don’t think Wilder will want a rematch
     
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    Nah I think Fury would just about have enough to do it, Joshua won’t want to fight him though.
     
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    I never used to be his biggest fan but I've really grown to like him.
    He spoke really well after last night and took the result really well.
     
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    The Mexican judge was obviously bribed. Corruption is a way of life in Mexico.
     
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    Never really liked Fury but have to say not only do I give him a lot of credit from this fight I think he was robbed. Wilder won round two and both rounds where he put Fury on the canvas but aside from that every round was Fury for my money. Can only assume that the judge who gave it to Wilder gave him bonus points for being the champ and being on home turf.

    One thing though. I don’t think either are good enough to beat AJ. Fury would take him the distance but I think loosing his size advantage he has in most fights will negate any chance he has and Wilder has a punchers chance at best but doesn’t have the quality to outbox AJ.
     
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    I think Wilder got out of jail with the 12th round knockdown which probably swayed it a little more in his favour then it actually was. Hats off to Fury though, a great comeback from where he was 18 months/2 years ago.
     
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    Fair play if this is true.[​IMG]

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    Was going to post this myself, great gesture.
     
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    Have they ever considered having a computer system alongside the judges, that scores points for blows.

    Would have thought in this day and age they could simulate and replicate the punches and power of the blows.

    Not to replace the current system, but to run alongside it such as they do in tennis and cricket and American football etc.

    The system at the moment is obviously very biased and therefore very flawed.
     
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    What a recovery from a knockdown. He looked sparked out, then got up as if he'd heard his alarm go off to get up out of bed ! I've been knocked out a few times, once in a pub. Got up wobbled about and went to the bar and ordered a pint. Got a round of applause !
     
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    On the flip side, Joshua has more power than Fury so could well make Wilder pay if Joshua outboxes him. I didn't like Fury (and his entourage) in the past, as he had a bit of a reputation as a bit of a troublemaker around Lancaster, and I worked doors there whilst at uni. Thankfully didn't have to deal with him personally, but colleagues of mine certainly had!

    Despite this, the way he's come back from his mental health issues makes him an unlikely hero in my book. From weird, controversial ranting on Twitter to become perhaps the most positive role model in mental health awareness. I'm glad he's back in the ring and competing at the highest level again, it's good for the sport and even more importantly, he's showing everyone out there with mental health issues that you can come back from the brink and turn things around.

    I've watched a lot of Joe Rogan's podcasts, but the Tyson Fury episode is one of the most insightful and interesting pods he's done. Perhaps only Jordan Peterson tops him. I'll post the link below for anyone interested - 100% recommended.

     
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    'I'llpost the link below for anyone interested - 100% recommended.'
    Shame you posted this:) gotta rethink personal opinion of Fury.
    . Excellent interview.
    Get Fury out of clown mode and he is an interesting character even likeable - not just the boxing stuff but the mental health stuff too.
    Seen very few good interviews with him. Reinforces the belief that he does have an exceptional boxing brain.
    This video is really worth a watch for any boxing fan.
     
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    Always said that I think Fury is the best in the world, the only question marks I had with him going into this fight was his preparation and ability to perform until the final seconds of the 12th after being out for so long. With so many of Wilder's KO's coming late in fights he clearly carries his power long no matter how much air/arms/elbows he punches.

    After seeing that fight I think Wilder has every chance of KO'ing AJ who has been rocked by Whyte and knocked down by a very old klitskcho on the brink of retirement. In a fight with Wilder it will be a matter of who connects first, AJ's head/upper body movement needs so much work and I think Wilder could land early in that fight if/when it happens.

    Fury runs rings around AJ as he did with Wilder but I don't think AJ has the power that Wilder has to keep Fury down if hit.

    I personally think Whyte will give AJ a real run for his money in April.
     
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    Slightly harsh on Klitschko there! He is an all-time great with 53 KO’s. It’s a shame the rematch didn’t materialise because the first was, in the words of Fury himself, a ‘snooze fest’. Klitschko just couldn’t suss Fury out, so a second bout certainly would’ve been an interesting spectacle.

    Fury probably is the best ‘boxer’ in that division, looking at boxing as a science.

    Wilder has unbelievable KO power, but he’s not a convincing technical boxer at all and Joshua has the beating of him there. Wilder was losing to a 46-year old Ortiz, a fighter who Fury reckons was advised to postpone the fight because of ‘high blood pressure’. With Joshua also having incredible KO power, it’s a matchup v Wilder suits him more than Fury, for example.

    As for a Fury v AJ matchup, I’m torn. If Fury doesn’t get KO’d, he probably could get a points decision because he is a really awkward and technical fighter.

    That’s my take, and I’m no expert on the matter!
     
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    Whilst I respect that people have amazing boxing brains. It isn't half boring when they just set out to win on points rather than knockout.
     
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    We’re all primitive in the sense we want to see two combatants have an all out war! I want to see blood, knockdowns and brutal KOs as a spectator of boxing and MMA.

    But, that’s hardly a long-term solution. Being a regular listen of the JRE podcast, he details how people’s ‘chins’ just start to give way over time.

    Since this is a football forum, we’d all obviously want Cov to win 4-0 every game, but, as long as we get 3pts, there’s no real difference between a 1-0 and 4-0 win.
     
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    I think Wilder has a better chance of beating AJ simply because AJ is there to be hit, and when Wilder hits people they tend to stay hit. I think AJ v Wilder is a shootout 50/50. Fury v Wilder is more 80/20
     
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    Watching the reactions, movement and footwork of fury consistently for 12 rounds was a pleasure, picking his opportune moments to counter. I would much rather watch a Fury fight where he makes people look silly who overcommit and swing wildly than Klitshko in his prime where it was just a constant procession of jabs until the lesser competitor just gave up.
     
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    See your point, but given that both fighters have won all but 1 of their fights via KO, you’d have to give the edge to Joshua because he’s a better boxer with similar KO power. The guy knocked down Klitschko twice and finished him.

    You can’t really call a Fury v Wilder 80% in Fury’s favour. He got knocked down twice and a lesser referee may well have called it early because Fury was motionless for 5s. Yes, deserved the win, but even he acknowledges how close he was to being finished.

    The fact that fans can have these debates goes to show how good the HW division is right now. 3 top contenders all with unbeaten records. You get the feeling that anyone can beat the other on any given day!
     
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    Horses for courses. Klitschko set the pattern as wouldn't fight outside Germany and knew he was unlikely to get beat on pts there !!
    Fighters went there feeling they had to ko Klitschko to get a result. Klitschko would just maul them until they made a mistake and hit them with one of the biggest rights in boxing. Made a lot of money doing it.
     
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    I think if you look at the flip side, Wilder did win rounds against Fury on the Judge’s cards. We might all disagree with the judges on that but there’s no disputing AJ is a better boxer than Wilder. If Wilder can take rounds off Fury then AJ certainly will.

    I can see AJ beating both Fury or Wilder on points and by stoppage. The same cannot be said for the others who seemingly only have one way to win each.

    Fury has the skill, Wilder has the power and AJ a mix of both. They do say styles make fights and they could all beat eachother on any given day.
     
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    In a strange way the draw has really kept the division buzzing, both fighters come out with credibility and people are talking about heavyweight boxing again. Throw Usyk and Whyte into the mix and the division is unrecognisable to the Klitskhos era of dominance.

    Remember that AJ got knocked down by an old Klitsckho, a younger version of WK would have finished him off in that round I think.
     
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    Equally, a more experienced AJ doesn’t get caught when he did and would have finished the fight sooner. As it happenned, he took a few rounds off and still won the fight.
     
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    I don't think any boxer goes out to go the distance particularly in this division, one hit could be all it takes. Fury has a more technical approach that Wilder so generally it takes more time to execute where as Wilder will go for early KO's if he can. Different tactics but certainly doesn't mean he is aiming to go all the way.
     
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    People need to understand Fury has developed his style. He was more reckless when he started but also got floored a few times.
    Particularly at heavyweight you get a lot of big guys who are big punch specialists rather than boxers. Also comes with a public perception that the higher the weight category the more knockouts should be happening. Fury takes advantage of that fact that he can box and a lot of these others can't.
    While Fury's fights can look negative requires a high level of skill to box as he does. Why go blow-for0blow with a puncher like Wilder if you are the better boxer? Same principle as the Mayweather-McGregor farce Mayweather didn't give him an opportunity for a puncher's chance. (or indeed most Mayweather fights).
     
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