Nice whataboutery.
This individual is clearly a cretin. Does that make you feel better? Can we call the Nazis who have been rioting far right yet?
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This individual is clearly a cretin. Does that make you feel better? Can we call the Nazis who have been rioting far right yet?
bigfatronssba
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Unlike you I'm not in support of any rioters..
Out of interest, which group is it attacking hotels?
I’m not supporting rioters.
bigfatronssba
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"Nazi salutes are fine when I agree with the ends"
David O'Day
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Now we know why he is such a fan of Ron Atkinson
bigfatronssba
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Good. You agree that the BLM riots, the Jew hate marches, the Leeds riots, the Manchester police station riots are all wrong?
Otis
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That is one person appearing to do a Nazi salute
One
If that IS him doing a Nazi salute, then he is far right.
Where are the rest of the people doing the Nazi salute there?
Boicey
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I suspect there will be hundreds of knocks on doors in the next couple of days. No doubt lots of blubbering 'hard men' in court bleating about 'out of character'.
Hopefully they get the far right cowards organising much of this as well.
Severe organised violence against the police will see some banged up for five years+.
Good.
Hopefully they get the far right cowards organising much of this as well.
Severe organised violence against the police will see some banged up for five years+.
Good.
chiefdave
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Not sure this is as easy as you're making it out to be.
Currently one of the biggest groups of asylum seekers, at least from the latest figures I can find, are Syrian.
Now lets supposed some has fled Syria and has all their documentation with them, they also have a working bank card with a bank that is operational and they have money in their account. If they are able to complete the online application do you think if they turn up at their screening it is going to be believed they're popping over for a holiday?
How would obtaining a tourist visa by deception impact any future asylum application?
Immigration Act 1971
An Act to amend and replace the present immigration laws, to make certain related changes in the citizenship law and enable help to be given to those wishing to return abroad, and for purposes connected therewith.
torchomatic
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Nigel Farage appeals for calm.
bigfatronssba
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As the PM just said, joining those people means you're aligning yourself with them.
Or do you disagree with him?
chiefdave
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Not going to help things at all and you have to hope this isn't repeated elsewhere. Has to be expected thought I guess. If you're seeing footage of people being attacked for being the wrong colour there will be people who respond even when it's going to make things worse.BBC reporting that a crowd of around 200 Asian men charged a police line in Bolton with chants of Allahu Akbar
Hoping the weather breaks and we get a day or two of torrential rain, might not put an end to it but might help.
Can you agree people doing Nazi salutes are far right instead of changing topic?
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bigfatronssba
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Not sure this is as easy as you're making it out to be.
Currently one of the biggest groups of asylum seekers, at least from the latest figures I can find, are Syrian.
Now lets supposed some has fled Syria and has all their documentation with them, they also have a working bank card with a bank that is operational and they have money in their account. If they are able to complete the online application do you think if they turn up at their screening it is going to be believed they're popping over for a holiday?
How would obtaining a tourist visa by deception impact any future asylum application?
If it was that easy wouldn't the government be broadcasting this all over calais. You'd stop the boats in an instant if you told people they could get a visa and book a £50 EasyJet flight.Immigration Act 1971
An Act to amend and replace the present immigration laws, to make certain related changes in the citizenship law and enable help to be given to those wishing to return abroad, and for purposes connected therewith.www.legislation.gov.uk
Do we have a closed border with Syria?
David O'Day
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Let's not confuse himNot sure this is as easy as you're making it out to be.
Currently one of the biggest groups of asylum seekers, at least from the latest figures I can find, are Syrian.
Now lets supposed some has fled Syria and has all their documentation with them, they also have a working bank card with a bank that is operational and they have money in their account. If they are able to complete the online application do you think if they turn up at their screening it is going to be believed they're popping over for a holiday?
How would obtaining a tourist visa by deception impact any future asylum application?
If it was that easy wouldn't the government be broadcasting this all over calais. You'd stop the boats in an instant if you told people they could get a visa and book a £50 EasyJet flight.Immigration Act 1971
An Act to amend and replace the present immigration laws, to make certain related changes in the citizenship law and enable help to be given to those wishing to return abroad, and for purposes connected therewith.
Otis
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David O'Day
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??? Why the whataboutery?
Northants Sky Blue
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Seems an unequivocal, easily understandable, straightforward position - the Sieg Heil is fucking repulsive in any situation by anyone.
I condemn it at any march, yet the response is.....
bigfatronssba
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Yes, absolutely.
Do you agree that everyone who does Nazi's salutes are far right?
Do you also agree that not everyone in the same crowd is a Nazi? (or do you think all the pro Hamas lot are Nazi's?)
bigfatronssba
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Its sad that peoples legitimate concerns have been ignored for 20 years
I'm not really sure why anyone is surprised
Otis
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Again, if he is making a Nazi salute, same thing
Is there video footage? Always easy to make a photo look like something to meet someone's ends.
Seen so many photos where it looks like someone has made a Nazi salute and it hasn't been the case
And once again anyway, where is the rioting in that photo?
That's just a march isn't it? No-one has any problem with a march. I
It's wanton violence, attacks and rioting that's the problem.
bigfatronssba
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No, he specifically mentioned Nazi salutes
In terms of rioting, what is your definition? I would consider it criminal damage. Would you agree?
torchomatic
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Kids walking down a street of terraced houses in Middlesbrough. Smashing windows of cars and houses as they walk down.
Nick
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Funny thing is, it's a very good point about if people have issues when there are other riots.
The hypocrisy from some is fucking embarrassing and strangely they are the people who keep shouting the loudest, unable to actually have a discussion and just want to live in a little bubble. Using their weird phrases and blowing smoke up each other's arses.
They don't even realise it. Just change the demographic of people committing offenses or rioting and strangely, they go from end of the spectrum to the other.
Absolutely no interest in constructive discussions.
The hypocrisy from some is fucking embarrassing and strangely they are the people who keep shouting the loudest, unable to actually have a discussion and just want to live in a little bubble. Using their weird phrases and blowing smoke up each other's arses.
They don't even realise it. Just change the demographic of people committing offenses or rioting and strangely, they go from end of the spectrum to the other.
Absolutely no interest in constructive discussions.
I’m not playing your games because you want to run interference for people fighting the police and trying to attack migrants and randoms.
Otis
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No. Criminal damage in itself is not necessarily rioting is it. Obviously.
Criminal damage happens all the time.
You are going completely off topic and trying to point score.
Starmer said rioters and violent acts and people aligning themselves with them.
Boicey
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Nick the king of tiresome whataboutery.
Condemn what's going on right here and now.
Nick
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Why is it people literally can't answer questions?
Otis
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All riots are wrong.
Boicey
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I think people are sick or tiresome diversion.
Not really as the situations or damage caused are remotely equivalent.
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