I’ll refer you to the link as well
Ian (which indicates labour were going to make significant cuts if they’d won the 2010 election and that it was 100% needed)
That treasury letter was tradition. They’ve all done it, Cameron just weaponised it because he knew idiots would fall for it. Apparently still are.
The ratio of cuts to tax rises was significantly different as was the pace of cuts. The areas they planned to cut as well. All political choices. Like the choice to raise VAT and cut Corporation Tax. Not all cuts are equal.
Browns stimulus package was absolutely needed and arguably didn’t go far enough. You’d have not done that I assume?
Of course I would, I don’t recall ever questioning that ?
I know it was a long time ago on the thread but my issue wasn’t necessarily with what labour did post crisis but prior to it. I was also highlighting that Tory austerity argument in those earlier years is flawed/not as straightforward as people portray
That graph us surely more televant when set against inflation of each country?More graphs. Real wage growth since 2008, only Mexico and Greece lower in the OECD.
No doubt someone will tell me this is also Labour’s fault
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Of course I would, I don’t recall ever questioning that ?
I know it was a long time ago on the thread but my issue wasn’t necessarily with what labour did post crisis but prior to it. I was also highlighting that Tory austerity argument in those earlier years is flawed/not as straightforward as people portray
That graph us surely more televant when set against inflation of each country?
More graphs. Real wage growth since 2008, only Mexico and Greece lower in the OECD.
No doubt someone will tell me this is also Labour’s fault
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I didn’t attribute the financial crisis to labour, like I don’t attribute everything that’s happened post 2010 to the Tories.
For every negative graph, there’s a positive one (check out employment rates per country over recent years - no not all low paid/zero hour jobs as people like to spin !!) or last 12-18 months wage growth even with the backdrop of Brexit) but I can’t keep going round in circles.
If people want a narrow view of politics it’s their call I guess.
ps whilst we would all prefer wage growth to have been stronger, it can be linked to various other factors like over/under supply of labour (See net migration figures since 2010), and productivity. Economics isn’t simple. For example the same people complaining about business tax cuts also don’t like to acknowledge that this can help employment.
I wasn’t actually talking about you.
Except they don’t. Business hires based on need not because they’ve got some spare cash lying around. Employment has risen because there’s been an explosion in part time and self employment and because wages have been suppressed.
Fact is the Tories inherited the economy at the bottom of a deep cycle and all indicators should have risen without them doing anything at all. They weren’t going to go down from the 2008 low.
They’ve created a low wage, insecure economy and fudged the figures by pushing unemployed people to start up their own businesses to get them off the books.
The sick irony is that people know this and are unhappy yet voted Brexit for change and to bring back well paid secure employment in the form of manufacturing. Instead they’re getting a bankers Brexit.
The old dynamic of capital vs labour has never changed. What’s good for one is rarely good for the other and the Tories will always be the party of capital.
Jewish Labour Movement says it will not campaign to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister
Already telling people not to vote for the anti Semitic Corbyn
Why?Brexit party only going for Labour seats and not targeting conservative ones, hopefully they make a good pact with the conservatives
Because Labour running the country would be a complete nightmareWhy?
Why?
Why?Because Labour running the country would be a complete nightmare
Because the papers told him.Why?
this may well happen it seems
Haha, ok, maybe I was being touchy !!
Company’s hire on need but also on profits ie you might need someone but if you’re loss making and only break even it’s irrelevant (as I say, these things aren’t simple)
There is no doubt the Tories will always be the party for business and labour the state (pretty much their ideologies). For me it’s finding a way to have controlled capitalism as I think that ultimately benefits everyone....appreciate many on here will disagree. Unfortunately the financial crisis and stuff that still goes on today indicates that there is too much uncontrolled capitalism going on. If they don’t self regulate the public will pull hard in the other direction
ps we’ll have to agree to disagree post financial crisis but the facts are there that cuts (post immediate stimulus) were needed, both labour and Tories committed to this pre 2010 election.
Jewish Labour Movement says it will not campaign to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister
Already telling people not to vote for the anti Semitic Corbyn
Turkeys voting for Christmasand there are plenty of Jewish people supporting him.
You do realise the Jewish community hold a whole raft of opinions and ideas? Do you think they all think the same? That's a bit anti-Semitic.
Turkeys voting for Christmas
He made an ill informed quip about picanninies and water melon smiles, for which he apologised. It's constantly used as a slur to beat him with and yet Corbyn has never apologised not only for the anti-Semitism but more importantly his support for the IRA. Johnson may be many things you all don't like in terms of Etonian, posh, rich, looking after his own etc but I don't get this racist angle keep being labelled on him.Johnson has said stuff about black and Asian people far far worse than Corbyn has ever said about Jewish people.
Funny how selective the anti-racist streak on the right is isn’t it? Not to mention that literal holocaust denial and conspiracies about “globalists” is entirely the domain of the radical right.
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He made an ill informed quip about picanninies and water melon smiles, for which he apologised. It's constantly used as a slur to beat him with and yet Corbyn has never apologised not only for the anti-Semitism but more importantly his support for the IRA. Johnson may be many things you all don't like in terms of Etonian, posh, rich, looking after his own etc but I don't get this racist angle keep being labelled on him.
He made an ill informed quip about picanninies and water melon smiles, for which he apologised. It's constantly used as a slur to beat him with and yet Corbyn has never apologised not only for the anti-Semitism but more importantly his support for the IRA. Johnson may be many things you all don't like in terms of Etonian, posh, rich, looking after his own etc but I don't get this racist angle keep being labelled on him.
Conveniently avoided the IRA issue then? And I was quoting Corbyn v Boris as that was the criticism aimed at Boris not Labour v Conservative. There are plenty of rotten apples throughout the house and I've never said differently, but you don't defend anti-Semitism by saying "yeah but it's ok because he said it too"
It also says a lot about limited arguments dredging up the same tired story on rinse and repeat. As I said, he apologised. It doesn't make it right, but surely time to move on. When you get bashed at the polls, I look forward to you ranting again and beating him up with the same tired argument for another 5 years.If you think that using the phrase ‘picannines’ ‘watermelon smiles’ and describing Muslim women as letterboxes as ‘Ill-informed’ that says a lot about your notion of racism.
Also do you have any understanding of the complexities of the anti-Semitic debate? Anti-semitism does sadly exist in the Labour Party.. and it needs stamping out. It also exists in the Tory party.... as does Islamophobia.
Doesn't this have the potential to cause further problems with achieving Brexit if the Brexit party were to win seats rather than the Conservatives.Would be a very good decision for the Tories. Interesting to see whether the Brexit party will go for it given their criticism of Johnson’s deal
Again avoided the IRA point but ok. I didn't say he was defending it, I was pointing out the error in the argument. As for grow up, try being more balanced. Your daily rhetoric is boring.You won’t find a single person on here defending anti-semitism.
Grow up.
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