General Election 2019 thread (17 Viewers)

[Astute]

Im a socialist.

I’ll expand a bit.

My main issue is climate change. The Tories are basically denying it and kicking it into the long grass rather than using it as an opportunity to lead the world and grow the economy.

Outside of that I believe in public services. I believe in public ownership of natural monopolies and free access to education. I could go into depth on why but the fact is I do.

Labour under Corbyn is the only one close to tackling the issues I care about.

Corbyn has a plan.

Plant 2 billion trees. Wait until they grow and then house everyone in a eco friendly tree house. Perfect for those protesting.

 

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[Astute]

Maybe we should stop all the senile OAPs voting!

You want to lose your vote?

 

[Astute]

All that tells you is people are selfish. Once they're in the club, shut the doors.

Besides as you get older you get more set in your ways. Change becomes a more scary proposition and familiarity becomes a cosy blanket to cling to.

As you get older you get wiser.

You have seen several times before when you get promised everything for a GE but get nothing. You notice hidden things that affect the many. You notice that Labour never put a decent government together. I am 51 and have never had a decent Labour government.

And yes my generation had it hard. Have been through it countless times. I had to keep moving to get work. I haven't lived near any family since my 20's. Had to go through my training whilst working 80 hours plus a week. How many would do that now? All my older kids but one own their own house except for one. He is more interested in having fun. The eldest has a large 4 bed detached with games room and cinema room. It isn't easy but can be done. And she didn't go to Uni either. But everyone working under her did.

You have a choice. Sit there and complain about life or get up and do something about it.

 

[Astute]

This forum seems to have a disproportionately high number of people who are absolutely loaded and planning to retire in their 50s. Why don't you all club together and buy the club and build us a new ground?

Some of us got on with life. We worked hard and saved hard. We did without so we could save. And some like myself continue to save hard.

I could afford now to go and buy a nice shiny new car. I wouldn't have to rent a nice shiny new car like most do. But who in their right mind would pay thousands of pounds for something they will never own? At least they will all own the expensive latest gadgets. Pay a lot of money for the latest phone and just discard it two years later.

My car is a 2008. My wife's car is a 2007. Both paid for in cash. Didn't cost much though. Less than 5k the pair. And will be worth a few k still in 3 years. My one will still have value after putting on about 100,000 miles in the next 3 years. Try doing that on a new rented car. How much would it cost to rent similar? My 2008 has never failed an MOT.

So just there alone quite a bit of money is saved. Save money when you are younger and it is worth multiples when you are older. Once you have a decent size pot it flies up. Just a 300,000 pot makes 9k at 3% without anything else going in.

Did you say thank you to Labour for killing off final salary pensions?

 

[Astute]

Exactly why are people jealous?

They won't have blame put on Labour for killing off final salary pensions with the massive tax grab so they feel the need to have a go at someone.

 

[Astute]

average wage of a primary school teacher - £25,777
average wage of a secondary school teacher- £29,593
Average wage of a nurse - £24,588
Average wage of a Police constable - £30,933
Average wage of a fireman - £29360
Average wage of a social worker - £29,167
Average wage of a prison officer - £27,972

Who'd want to work in the public service

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Final salary pension?

 

[Astute]

Apparently there are 465 beans in a tin of Heinz. if someone is putting in 1 per second that takes them over 7 minutes to fill a tin. How are there so many tins in a supermarket.

That's how ridiculous you sound.

How long would it take you to plant each bean?

 

[Astute]

They’re vulnerable while they’re small and need watering and maintaining. Apparently it’s a real issue with some tree planting schemes.

3 teams to maintain for every team planting them.

 

[Astute]

You think getting through a full grown tree with a chainsaw takes longer than dropping a sapling in a small hole and covering the roots with dirt?

How long to dig the hole? Have you ever tried to get through untouched earth before? Then break up what you have taken out?

I suppose it will all be as soft as a compost bag.

 

[stupot07]

Final salary pension?

No, average salary pension.

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[Deleted member 5849]

Final salary pension?

Not anymore!

 

[shmmeee]

So he will get any easier ride then?

These interviews and panels are not likely to influence most of us when we put our cross in the box imo

Just provide a bit of a chance to vent about the opposition's policies

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You should get a job spinning for the Conservatives.

Can’t believe the slack you guys are giving him. And people talk about Corbyn as a cult.

 

[shmmeee]

So.

Boris gets in.

Boris gets Brexit “done”.

Boris doesn’t extend the implementation period.

We leave without a deal.

In that scenario Boris will have to borrow more than Labour are currently planning to borrow according to the IFS.

How are we going to pay for that?

At this point I’m convinced that the Tories could announce they’re going to chop everyone’s legs off and Bazza and Dom would be on here posting how they had too many legs anyway and have been wanting to lose some weight.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

At this point I’m convinced that the Tories could announce they’re going to chop everyone’s legs off and Bazza and Dom would be on here posting how they had too many legs anyway and have been wanting to lose some weight.

Even by your standards...one of the stupidest things you ever posted.
Probably as offensive &/or insensitive as Bojo is accused of being too if someone has lost a leg or both fighting for their country in Iraq or Afghanistan perhaps...while you have been sat fighting pettily behind your keyboard & screen

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[shmmeee]

Even by your standards...one of the stupidest things you ever posted

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Nah I’ve posted far stupider.

Go on, give us one little criticism of Johnson. Anything, his racism, his hate of the working class, his sexism, homophobia? Not a social justice guy? Maybe his security issues around Russia and his love of bunga bunga parties? His hypocrisy slating single parents while abandoning his own kids? His refusal to be scrutinised by the electorate relying on memes and shady Facebook ads like a pound shop Trump? His complete capitulation to the EU in negotiations, ending up with something he himself said no conservative PM would back? His inability to control his party? His ability to promise austerity and still potentially borrow more than Labour?

It’s not like there’s not a wide selection to choose from.

Is there anything you don’t like about the guy?

 

[Astute]

No, average salary pension.

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A lot better than anyone can expect in the private sector thanks to Labour.

 

[Astute]

Not anymore!

But still you try and get elsewhere what they have. About a third down on a final salary for the average person but can be much more.

And yet again thanks Labour for taking away comfortable retirements for millions. And that is without the extra that would have come in without extra income tax that pensioners would have paid.

The main reason I am worried about Corbyn getting in and having to try and cover spending hundreds of billions of pounds. Will they see pensions as an easy target again? Take away the 25% tax free that is supposed to secure the futures? Because Bliar didn't say he was going to do the last pension tax grab. He was all for the poor and against the rich......

 

[Astute]

At this point I’m convinced that the Tories could announce they’re going to chop everyone’s legs off and Bazza and Dom would be on here posting how they had too many legs anyway and have been wanting to lose some weight.

Yet you ignore how much defending of Corbyn and Labour goes on. You even join in yourself.

Neither are fit to run the UK.

One won't say anything of importance and the other comes out with fairy stories.

One says get Brexit done. The other tries not to say anything.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But still you try and get elsewhere what they have. About a third down on a final salary for the average person but can be much more.

I honestly don't understand what you're trying to say.

If you're saying that pension benefits are still better in state rather than public sector, I can assuredly tell you that that is not true as we stand.

If not, I'm all ears!

 

[Astute]

Nah I’ve posted far stupider.

Corbyn would make a half decent PM?

 

[Astute]

I honestly don't understand what you're trying to say.

If you're saying that pension benefits are still better in state rather than public sector, I can assuredly tell you that that is not true as we stand.

If not, I'm all ears!

Of course it is true. If it is 1/60 Or better and average wage it is still a good pension. That is nearly 2% of your annual wage as pension each year. 30 years service is half the average wage.

Or shall we go to the average pot in the public sector? The average pot is just over 100k for a man and just over 70k for a woman.

A 100k pot would get you about £4,300 a year.

Public sector....start on 30k end on 50k...most probably more.......average somewhere about 38k depending on when pay rises are. 30 years at 1/60 would be a pension of approx 19k. This would be index linked. It would also provide a pension of about 50% for a surviving spouse. But each scheme has its own rules.

We can go into fine details if you like. It is a subject I am very clued up on.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Of course it is true

It isn't.

I know what my own pensions are.

 

[The coventrian]

He’s a success dude your a failure. You were giving it the big un you are a higher rate tax later now. When I left JLr a 28 year old analyst was earning £47,000 - you are seriously a joke

The shifts here are a pain in the arse but this company has given me a bloody good living.

 

[fatso]

It isn't going to be easy, but just because something has not been implemented before, it doesn't mean its not worth pursuing, otherwise politics would not exist as a practice.

What people predict is purely speculative, but there is good reason to refute the simple explanation that a Corbyn government would amount to 'boom and bust'. What Corbyn proposes is a version of social democracy similar to the 1960s when many industries were under public ownership, education was free and rigorous. Before we suggest that this was 'the past', I would like to suggest that a more equal society acts against the bulwark of the inevitably more isolated world the UK will inevitably face if/when it exits the EU. This is not merely about redistributing money from rich to poor - its also a fundamental rethink of the way we think about what constitutes an 'acceptable' distribution of income and wealth. With unfettered capitalism, we have billionaires/CEOs earning unjustifiably more than the lowest paid of their companies - and Labour's policy is about minimising these unsustainable/immoral ratios by targeting the richest.

Labour's manifesto, however incorrectly one might interpret it, has actually fully costed its policies - unlike the Conservative manifesto which shirks from offering detail of its policies let alone how they will be costed, and completely shuns the impact of Brexit.

Nah I’ve posted far stupider.

Go on, give us one little criticism of Johnson. Anything, his racism, his hate of the working class, his sexism, homophobia? Not a social justice guy? Maybe his security issues around Russia and his love of bunga bunga parties? His hypocrisy slating single parents while abandoning his own kids? His refusal to be scrutinised by the electorate relying on memes and shady Facebook ads like a pound shop Trump? His complete capitulation to the EU in negotiations, ending up with something he himself said no conservative PM would back? His inability to control his party? His ability to promise austerity and still potentially borrow more than Labour?

It’s not like there’s not a wide selection to choose from.

Is there anything you don’t like about the guy?

All of the above is true, and as much as I despise Johnson, I'd still vote for him over Corbyn!

Labour supporters just dont seem to grasp how loathsome Corbyn is, if Labour ditched Corbyn now, they may still have a chance of winning, but the fact that an out of touch, public school wanker like Johnson will win the election, and probably by a landslide, just shows how bad Corbyn really is.

 

[Astute]

It isn't.

I know what my own pensions are.

State or private?

 

[shmmeee]

Yet you ignore how much defending of Corbyn and Labour goes on. You even join in yourself.

Neither are fit to run the UK.

One won't say anything of importance and the other comes out with fairy stories.

One says get Brexit done. The other tries not to say anything.

whataboutwhataboutwhatabout

 

[shmmeee]

All of the above is true, and as much as I despise Johnson, I'd still vote for him over Corbyn!

Labour supporters just dont seem to grasp how loathsome Corbyn is, if Labour ditched Corbyn now, they may still have a chance of winning, but the fact that an out of touch, public school wanker like Johnson will win the election, and probably by a landslide, just shows how bad Corbyn really is.

You want a party to elect a new leader halfway though an election campaign??

 

[Deleted member 5849]

State or private?

Both.

 

[Astute]

You want a party to elect a new leader halfway though an election campaign??

This is a rare occasion it would work. Even a lot of people who are voting for him don't think he will do a decent job.

Someone without baggage. Someone with charisma. Someone who could rip apart one sentence Boris. And that wouldn't be hard.

 

[Astute]

Both.

Old private new state by the sound of it.

 

[fatso]

You want a party to elect a new leader halfway though an election campaign??

It's either that or loose,
As things stand, Johnson will piss it. That IS the harsh reality, and many in the labour party know it, but Corbyn is being propped up by momentum, because they know he is weak and can be manipulated.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Nah I’ve posted far stupider.

Go on, give us one little criticism of Johnson. Anything, his racism, his hate of the working class, his sexism, homophobia? Not a social justice guy? Maybe his security issues around Russia and his love of bunga bunga parties? His hypocrisy slating single parents while abandoning his own kids? His refusal to be scrutinised by the electorate relying on memes and shady Facebook ads like a pound shop Trump? His complete capitulation to the EU in negotiations, ending up with something he himself said no conservative PM would back? His inability to control his party? His ability to promise austerity and still potentially borrow more than Labour?

It’s not like there’s not a wide selection to choose from.

Is there anything you don’t like about the guy?

Do I like him???

He's certainly some of the things you list there. Not all but you have to look beyond the headlines rather than being so quick to judge...like abandoning his kids. Was it him abandoning them? Or was it an unhealthy relationship with his partner for his kids to be party to?

Your bias knows no bounds - I offer counter-balance.

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[Deleted member 5849]

Old private new state by the sound of it.

Currently (thanks to budget cuts) I have two jobs (well, technically three, but that one doesn't really count in terms of a pension). One state, one private. Roughly 50/50 split in terms of salary... if not hours. Guess which one pays more, for less output?

L:ike I say, I know what my pensions are. I don't really want to discuss my personal circumstances because I'll be accused of the righties of whinging or something, I'll get some bollocks about how I need to work harder or something. Note, I dont begrudge people cash if they work hard, my best friend has a very decent living and fully deserves it. What I do resent is the ya-boo-sucks smugness that comes across with some (not all). Cash is not everything in life... but when the working conditions deecline drastically, cash can be something of a compensation.

 

[shmmeee]

This is a rare occasion it would work. Even a lot of people who are voting for him don't think he will do a decent job.

Someone without baggage. Someone with charisma. Someone who could rip apart one sentence Boris. And that wouldn't be hard.

Do you understand how long it takes to run an election?

 

[Astute]

Currently (thanks to budget cuts) I have two jobs (well, technically three, but that one doesn't really count in terms of a pension). One state, one private. Roughly 50/50 split in terms of salary... if not hours. Guess which one pays more, for less output?

L:ike I say, I know what my pensions are. I don't really want to discuss my personal circumstances because I'll be accused of the righties of whinging or something, I'll get some bollocks about how I need to work harder or something Note, I dont begrudge people cash if they work hard, my best friend has a very decent living and fully deserves it. What I do resent is the ya-boo-sucks smugness that comes across with some (not all). Cash is not everything in life... but when the working conditions deecline drastically, cash can be something of a compensation.

So you have a private one paying in more than a state one is worth?

As I said you need to have 100k to get about 4.3k a year. And that is at retirement age. If you have a state one it would build up quickly. If you are on 30k state wage that is about £500 a year pension. Less than 9 years to get 4.3k. Could you build a 100k pot up in the private sector in less than 9 years?

And there is no risk in the state pension. All the risk is with you in the private sector pension with money purchase.