General Election 2019 thread (36 Viewers)

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Dec 10, 2019

shmmeee said:
Divine authorship isn’t unique to the Quran. FFS I used to watch Christian assemblies that always finished with “and that is the word of God”. Many Jews also see the Torah as a divine work.

Homophobia is also not exclusive to Islam. Harsh penalties are a problem in some third world states. But that says nothing about Habeebah in accounts in the U.K. FFS.

Islam is no different to any other religion other than it’s practiced in some pretty shitty states. But there are shitty states that aren’t Islamic. Russia for example if very anti Islam and hyper homophobic. In fact most non-Western countries are pretty homophobic. Bringing them into a discussion about Islam in general or Muslims in the U.K. is at best irrelevant and at worst outright racist.

Also there are like 2 billion Muslims. Making out they all have the same thoughts and feelings and interpretation of their religion is also pretty racist.

I couldn't give a shite about the thoughts of millions of muslims or any other religion until they try and impose their ways on me or use their God as an excuse to kill men women and children in my own country.
You talk a lot of intellectual tosh for the complete sake of it. It's good to know that you know a lot about how religious groups are treated throughout the western world but I couldn't really give a toss about any of that when a bomb kills kids in Manchester.

theferret · Dec 10, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Of course there are differences. But don't go telling me that the Old Testament if taken seriously wouldn't lead one to believe in some fairly messed up things

Of course, and that happens as you have correctly pointed out.

stupot07 · Dec 10, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
As usual the character that is Johnathan Pie says it how it is

Give that man a knighthood

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theferret · Dec 10, 2019

shmmeee said:
You think the hard right of the Tory party will do better than it’s more experienced and more moderate wing why exactly?

What is it about the combined intellect of Rees-Mogg, Leadsome and Raab that gives you confidence where the likes of Hammond Greive and Clarke didn’t?

What about Johnson’s record in his previous jobs gives you confidence?

This is just an extension of the magical thinking that got us Brexit. All “OH you never know! Sure the last hundred people to walk off this cliff died, but I might fly!”

On the first point, I genuinely believe Boris is far more centrist and liberal than the others you mention and he will pull the strings ultimately. That doesn't fit the narrative of those who like to put horns on his head, but I think this has been demonstrated quite clearly over the years.

On the last point about doing the same thing and expecting different results, no labour government has ever left office with unemployment lower than when it entered. They do have a habit of running out of money in the end. Maybe the next one will be different.

stupot07 · Dec 10, 2019

theferret said:
Legalisation of gay marriage.

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Cant be arsed to go through the list, but this went through Only because labour, lib dems, etc voted for it.

More tories voted against it than for it (126 for , 134 against with 41 tories abstaining). About half the current cabinet voted or abstained including Priti Patel, rees mogg and buckland, rev voting against

217 labour voted for it.

Let's not badge this a tory triumph.

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theferret · Dec 10, 2019

stupot07 said:
Cant be arsed to go through the list, but this went through Only because labour, lib dems, etc voted for it.

More tories voted against it than for it (126 for , 134 against with 41 tories abstaining). About half the current cabinet voted or abstained including Priti Patel, rees mogg and buckland, rev voting against

217 labour voted for it.

Let's not badge this a tory triumph.

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Fair enough. I wasn't aware of the voting split.

Ian1779 · Dec 10, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
I couldn't give a shite about the thoughts of millions of muslims or any other religion until they try and impose their ways on me or use their God as an excuse to kill men women and children in my own country.
You talk a lot of intellectual tosh for the complete sake of it. It's good to know that you know a lot about how religious groups are treated throughout the western world but I couldn't really give a toss about any of that when a bomb kills kids in Manchester.

Of course you are right in that regard. But people have used religion as an excuse to commit atrocities across history. The people are the problem... the religion is just the excuse they hide behind.

Otis · Dec 10, 2019

chiefdave said:
'Do not believe a stranger on social media who disappears into the night' - An open letter from our editor to you

That is an excellent piece.

skybluetony176 · Dec 10, 2019

I see that the woman who originally posted the “this is a fake picture set up by the mother” post on Facebook is now claiming that her account was hacked.

westcountry_skyblue · Dec 10, 2019

My two fav teams in Skyblue winning atm!!!
PUSB

skybluetony176 · Dec 10, 2019

theferret said:
Personal tax allowance increased from £6500 to £12500 (that's huge).

That was a Nick Clegg pledge of the 2015 election which the Tories later matched.

SkyBlueDom26 · Dec 10, 2019

Ian1779 said:
Your daily dose of Tory propaganda/shite

Everything that comes from labour is propaganda

chiefdave · Dec 10, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Everything that comes from labour is propaganda

Did you miss this article:
Election ads: 'Indecent, dishonest and untruthful'
Non partisan group found 88% of Conservative advertising to be misleading compared to 0% for Labour.

Ian1779 · Dec 10, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Everything that comes from labour is propaganda

I’m sure CCHQ keep telling you that sunshine.

SeaSeeEffCee · Dec 10, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Everything that comes from labour is propaganda

88% of Tory ads a lie compared to 0% of Labours.

Keep licking that boot like a good little boy though.

fellatio_Martinez · Dec 10, 2019

Otis · Dec 10, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:

Fair play to them I say.

westcountry_skyblue · Dec 10, 2019

Well that’s one skyblue team that have won this week just need the second now:cigar::woot:

SkyblueBazza · Dec 10, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
This is like debating a more obnoxious Astute

Which proves my point entirely

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Otis · Dec 10, 2019

BBC News - General election 2019: The misinformation war over the boy in the hospital
The misinformation war over the boy in the hospital

Seems all the outrage, all the clowns of fakeness, just weren't true.

Otis · Dec 10, 2019

I am brought back to this morning and one caller on 5Live, who was so angry, so outraged that this woman had staged all this, he said his grandfather would be turning in his grave and that he, himself, could not and would not now vote Labour.

We just don't know what to believe anymore.

SkyblueBazza · Dec 10, 2019

shmmeee said:
Yes it does.

Islamophobia | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Islamophobia - Wikipedia

I’ve seen it time and time again with close mates as well as strangers. First it’s “Oh I just think halal is barbaric”, then it’s some half arsed Quran quotes out of context that “prove” how Islam is particularly different to literally every other religion. Then some shit about Muhammad being a pedo. Then full on “kick the muzzle fuckers out”.

There are valid complaints about Islam, like there are valid complaints about Israel. And like Israel there’s a lot of people using the former to be racist. And a lot of people who start with the former and end up racist.

Even in its most basic interpretation, anyone offended by the barbarism of fox hunting, badger-baiting etc surely cannot defend halal just because it has its base in religion. After all...so do many unpalatable practices that have been ditched by my religious people. Some religions have adapted with time, some resist it to one degree or another.

Most Catholics, Muslims, Sikhs & Jews to name the main ones that I know I am in contact with have both adapted & are tolerant of others. Their "leaders" on the other hand sometimes present & even promote a different approach & agenda, sadly

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Liquid Gold · Dec 10, 2019

Final Yougov MRP has a Tory majority of 28 but data trending towards Labour every day they've collected it with a hung parliament in the margin of error.

Grendel · Dec 10, 2019

Liquid Gold said:
Final Yougov MRP has a Tory majority of 28 but data trending towards Labour every day they've collected it with a hung parliament in the margin of error.

Dont worry John Ashworth has sealed the deal

Ian1779 · Dec 10, 2019

Liquid Gold said:
Final Yougov MRP has a Tory majority of 28 but data trending towards Labour every day they've collected it with a hung parliament in the margin of error.

Again the MRP plays down the turnout in the younger age category’s...

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 10, 2019

theferret said:
On the first point, I genuinely believe Boris is far more centrist and liberal than the others you mention and he will pull the strings ultimately. That doesn't fit the narrative of those who like to put horns on his head, but I think this has been demonstrated quite clearly over the years..

I believe he is probably more centrist and liberal in terms of social policy (and has shifted from this purely for personal gain) but economics he's hard right. He doesn't have the attention to detail (or indeed the attention span) to be pulling the strings - he'll be delegating to whoever's in the room while he's checking out all the interns and Whitehall staff for his next conquest. He wants the power, not the responsibility.

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 10, 2019

Ian1779 said:
Again the MRP plays down the turnout in the younger age category’s...

Did it not get the 2017 result almost spot on?

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 10, 2019

westcountry_skyblue said:
My two fav teams in Skyblue winning atm!!!
PUSB

Man City are on tomorrow mate

Philosoraptor · Dec 10, 2019

Final 2019 general election MRP model: small Conservative majority likely

Most Tory gains likely in the north, in areas that voted Leave, while they are performing less well in the south, London and Scotland.

Labour have a slim advantage in Coventry North West and Coventry South.

Final 2019 general election MRP model: small Conservative majority likely | YouGov

chiefdave · Dec 10, 2019

Liquid Gold said:
Final Yougov MRP has a Tory majority of 28 but data trending towards Labour every day they've collected it with a hung parliament in the margin of error.

No wonder the likes of the Sun have gone into full on panic mode the last few days.

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 10, 2019

Philosorapter said:
Final 2019 general election MRP model: small Conservative majority likely

Most Tory gains likely in the north, in areas that voted Leave, while they are performing less well in the south, London and Scotland.

Labour have a slim advantage in Coventry North West and Coventry South.

Final 2019 general election MRP model: small Conservative majority likely | YouGov

So many seats within the margin of error, I imagine much will come down to which party’s base turns out in greater numbers. Loads of Scottish seats neck and neck too-will be very interesting to see if the Tories keep NE Scotland which they flipped entirely 2 years ago.

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 10, 2019

chiefdave said:
No wonder the likes of the Sun have gone into full on panic mode the last few days.

Finally got a Tory leaflet through today. Leading with ‘keep an anti Semite out of Number 10’ with some scribbles of the candidate’s name near the end.

SeaSeeEffCee · Dec 10, 2019

Lying, lying Tories. Must be part of the Tory DNA to not be able to tell the truth.

Philosoraptor · Dec 10, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
So many seats within the margin of error, I imagine much will come down to which party’s base turns out in greater numbers. Loads of Scottish seats neck and neck too-will be very interesting to see if the Tories keep NE Scotland which they flipped entirely 2 years ago.

Yes I fully agree.

This one interesting.

The key findings from our final MRP poll | YouGov

Shows the swing in expected new seats for the Tory's. Around 10 are very close to the mark.

Philosoraptor · Dec 10, 2019

Just having a punt in the dark but I reckon the Tory's will just fall short of a majority or an unworkable small majority.

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