Didn't catch her name...but a Labour MP/ex-MP was saying yesterday that Corbynism looked attractive initially with austerity a genuine target in 2017. Since, it got found out & the voters turned against it in droves & hence we have this result. Went on to say that we (Labour) have to move away from Corbyn & Momentum ideals. We have to be more open-minded to people & listen to them & properly consider what they are saying. We cannot just keep telling people they are wrong because they disagree with us & then just shout them down every time they voice their opinion.
I think she was talking to you Tony/Schmmeee/Mart/BSB/Claude/SickBoy & one or two others on here
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The problem was that people just like yourself couldn't bring yourself to see the facts.it was much easier to insult someone than consider the truth.
Corbyn was an absolute disaster for Labour. But too many constantly made excuses for him. And anyone who disagreed was there to be insulted. But the bloke just wasn't electable in any way.
We need to move along. We need to find a leader that is likeable. We need someone strong yet who doesn't want to demolish everything. Someone without skeletons in the closet stretching back 40 years or more.
At least the discussion on Corbyn being the right person to lead Labour should now be finished.
My fear is we end up down the American road. Have people seen how they run their campaigns (at all levels)?I believed in him because I was sick of champagne politics by people that didn’t give a fuck. He had a different style - a compassion that you rarely see. I make no apologies for supporting and defending him. Was that naive in the cold light of day? Yes because sadly that style didn’t work for the people of this country. We clearly are not ready to be led by decent human beings - ideology is too important a thing.
But the next leader should beware. The lies will follow in the same way. Just take a look at this....
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The problem was that people just like yourself couldn't bring yourself to see the facts.it was much easier to insult someone than consider the truth.
Corbyn was an absolute disaster for Labour. But too many constantly made excuses for him. And anyone who disagreed was there to be insulted. But the bloke just wasn't electable in any way.
We need to move along. We need to find a leader that is likeable. We need someone strong yet who doesn't want to demolish everything. Someone without skeletons in the closet stretching back 40 years or more.
At least the discussion on Corbyn being the right person to lead Labour should now be finished.
That's great. Keep looking down your nose at people, you're as bad as those that throw around the leftie snowflake comments.An IQ test isn’t a test of gullibility it’s a measurement of how good you are at doing IQ tests, nothing else.
Correct. And I was one of them.So many Labour voters said they just couldn't come out an put an X on their ballot paper because of Corbyn.
I admire politicians with firm principles (of any political hue) that aren't based on offensive -isms.He wasn't electable because the press made it so. His big issue was he wasn't strong enough to stand up to it. That was his downfall. I didn't agree with all his policies but he's a principled man who deserves a lot of credit for not getting into the usual lies and deception common in politics - even though this was eventually to his detriment. Was destroyed by the press from day one and never really stood a chance. Was never really the right man for the job in all honesty, almost need him behind the scenes pulling the strings with a more media friendly face up front (without being cynical, probably need someone who can lie & deceive to Boris levels. Someone to appeal to the majority who don't look beyond soundbites and headlines - they are the ones that win elections, not the smaller minority who actually care about substance, regardless of political persuasion).
It never has!The left-wing media tried push the dirt on Johnson (wasn't hard to find) but for some reason it failed to take off.
Think Corbyn also suffers from appearing mild-mannered (almost school masterly) which gives an appearance of indecisiveness and'or weakness.
He wasn't electable because the press made it so. His big issue was he wasn't strong enough to stand up to it. That was his downfall. I didn't agree with all his policies but he's a principled man who deserves a lot of credit for not getting into the usual lies and deception common in politics - even though this was eventually to his detriment. Was destroyed by the press from day one and never really stood a chance. Was never really the right man for the job in all honesty, almost need him behind the scenes pulling the strings with a more media friendly face up front (without being cynical, probably need someone who can lie & deceive to Boris levels. Someone to appeal to the majority who don't look beyond soundbites and headlines - they are the ones that win elections, not the smaller minority who actually care about substance, regardless of political persuasion).
Her screeching acceptance speech was just embarrassing.We now live in an era of total denial
People like Caroline Lucas frantically posting everywhere that the conservatives lost, there is no mandate to leave the EU lets protest - it’s just a joke
Lucas wants a referendum now on the voting system - that’s odd - we had one and she lost - oh have another so I win.
Labour are kidding themselves it was not Corbyn that lost the election but one policy and they really won on policy - keep the policy and keep Jeremy then
Too late. Need to change your tune. Your messiah Corbyn is finishedAll hail him! He can do no wrong and will bring prosperity to all!
You make it sound like there's only one newspaper. Mirror, Guardian and Independent have all given Corbyn support.It never has!
There are times when Corbyn's nuanced answer is the 'right' answer, but you can see what the newspaper headline will be in advance because he won't give a two or three word quotable answer.
An IQ test isn’t a test of gullibility it’s a measurement of how good you are at doing IQ tests, nothing else.
You voted for “the man” and endorsed him verbally constantly on here. I used my vote in a European Election as a protest to the EU to take the risk of the U.K. voting leave seriously and take David Cameron’s negotiations with them seriously ahead of the referendum. You now criticise me for voting someone you waxed lyrical over and for defending people like you who voted for him as an endorsement of policy. You also brag about having a high IQ as if it validates your opinion on anything over other people you believe to be less intelligent than you. The many ironies of your post certainly proves that a high IQ score is only a measurement of an ability to do an IQ test and nothing else as there’s nothing intellectual about your post.You voted for UKIP you utter doughnut and even defended them in here
You voted for “the man” and endorsed him verbally constantly on here. I used my vote in a European Election as a protest to the EU to take the risk of the U.K. voting leave seriously and take David Cameron’s negotiations with them seriously ahead of the referendum. You now criticise me for voting someone you waxed lyrical over and for defending people like you who voted for him as an endorsement of policy. You also brag about having a high IQ as if it validates your opinion on anything over other people you believe to be less intelligent than you. The many ironies of your post certainly proves that a high IQ score is only a measurement of an ability to do an IQ test and nothing else as there’s nothing intellectual about your post.
I think a lot of traditional labour voters who voted Tory hold the same opinions and values as me so I don’t actually think they do believe different to me on a lot of the issues of not most of the issues that this country face. They have however allowed themselves to be blindsided on a single issue and manipulated by someone who shares non of their values and opinions into voting for them. Sorry but that’s the very definition of a pleb.That's great. Keep looking down your nose at people, you're as bad as those that throw around the leftie snowflake comments.
In your opinion those who believe differently to you are plebs. They're entitled to their, beliefs, opinions and votes, however much you or I disagree with them.
Voters put differing levels of importance to certain issues when voting. Some find Brexit the the most important issue.
I tend to disagree, but I dont feel the need to brand them thick, or plebs.
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His families total abuse of the EU parliaments gravy train will ensure that Steven Kinnock will never get a sniff of a chance of party leadership.The only Labour politician who has impressed me over the last couple of years is Steven Kinnock. Makes a lot of sense and could do well if given the chance. Am surprised his name does not get mentioned at all with regard to future leadership of the Labour party. Mind you, thought his old man was a right wind bag!!!
Totally wrong.I think a lot of traditional labour voters who voted Tory hold the same opinions and values as me so I don’t actually think they do believe different to me on a lot of the issues of not most of the issues that this country face. They have however allowed themselves to be blindsided on a single issue and manipulated by someone who shares non of their values and opinions into voting for them. Sorry but that’s the very definition of a pleb.
Ha ha ha. Yeah OK.I’ve never mentioned my IQ and I never have called people plebs or thickos
So traditional labour voters have voted for a continuation of austerity deliberately? They truly are lost. For starters the Tory manifesto didn’t add up either and a long way further than Labour’s too.Totally wrong.
Your convincing yourself that labour voters don’t understand policy,
All those I work with, (who expressed an opinion) new that Corbyn’s policies just didn’t add up financially.
You can only tax the rich so much before they leave the country, You can only tax businesses so much before they stop investing in the uk, and take the jobs elsewhere.
The plan to nationalise power, rail, etc was just plain laughable.
Free broadband for all was just a pathetic policy.
Labour voters could see through Corbyn’s bullshit, and gave up on him on mass.
But if you want to kid yourself that Brexit was the only reason they lost, then you carry on my friend, But you couldn’t possibly be more deluded.
I think a lot of traditional labour voters who voted Tory hold the same opinions and values as me so I don’t actually think they do believe different to me on a lot of the issues of not most of the issues that this country face. They have however allowed themselves to be blindsided on a single issue and manipulated by someone who shares non of their values and opinions into voting for them. Sorry but that’s the very definition of a pleb.
Where did you decide my post wasn't a criticism of Corbyn's approach to such answers?You make it sound like there's only one newspaper. Mirror, Guardian and Independent have all given Corbyn support.
All these papers have carried columnists and stories that have attacked Johnson's character - whether it be on his changeable support for Brexit, his personal life or other issues. All have made hay with relationship with his brother and tried to flame the story about that American girlfriend for example.
I fail to see how Corbyn and the people around him are so naive about how modern vote-gathering works (rightly or wrongly that's the "game"). It is about sound bytes etc.
People aren't going to sit there trying to figure out nuances.
Bluekip Brexit cult Tory? Never. The Tories no longer contains any of the values of the Tory Party I voted for. Apparent Marxist communist Corbyn is more traditional Tory than the current “Tory” Party.How many times have you voted Tory Tony?
Who did you vote for this time?
Bluekip Brexit cult Tory? Never. The Tories no longer contains any of the values of the Tory Party I voted for. Apparent Marxist communist Corbyn is more traditional Tory than the current “Tory” Party.
If you’ve got a point make it. This game playing trap laying is below your IQ level. Apparently.So when did you last vote Tory Tony? Who did you vote on Thursday
Reread I wasn't addressing your comment on Corbyn's approach. More a continuation of my earlier post on the different media approaches of Corbyn and Johnson.Where did you decide my post wasn't a criticism of Corbyn's approach to such answers?
I think there are plenty of traditional Tories in there just drowned out by the noisy ERG clique much the same as more moderate parts of the Labour Party have been by overshadowed noisier groups in their party.Bluekip Brexit cult Tory? Never. The Tories no longer contains any of the values of the Tory Party I voted for. Apparent Marxist communist Corbyn is more traditional Tory than the current “Tory” Party.
What hadn't been seen before?I believed in him because I was sick of champagne politics by people that didn’t give a fuck. He had a different style - a compassion that you rarely see. I make no apologies for supporting and defending him. Was that naive in the cold light of day? Yes because sadly that style didn’t work for the people of this country. We clearly are not ready to be led by decent human beings - ideology is too important a thing.
But the next leader should beware. The lies will follow in the same way. Just take a look at this....
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Too late. Need to change your tune. Your messiah Corbyn is finished
How about some of these Labour MPs who lost their seats in Leave areas stop blaming Corbyn and put their hands up and say "my fault I didn't follow my constituents wishes".
Corbyn is well-known for following his own views and defying the party whip in the past (and probably in the future) - so couldn't object to MPs doing what their constituents wanted.
Correct. He wasn't strong enough. The rest was just excuses.He wasn't electable because the press made it so. His big issue was he wasn't strong enough to stand up to it. That was his downfall. I didn't agree with all his policies but he's a principled man who deserves a lot of credit for not getting into the usual lies and deception common in politics - even though this was eventually to his detriment. Was destroyed by the press from day one and never really stood a chance. Was never really the right man for the job in all honesty, almost need him behind the scenes pulling the strings with a more media friendly face up front (without being cynical, probably need someone who can lie & deceive to Boris levels. Someone to appeal to the majority who don't look beyond soundbites and headlines - they are the ones that win elections, not the smaller minority who actually care about substance, regardless of political persuasion).
What hadn't been seen before?
Corbyn was so bad that someone as bad as Boris got back in by saying nothing that mattered. Keeping Corbyn as leader handed it to the Tories. And people like yourself refused to listen until the very end. If you hadn't defended his first defeat that you tried to make sound like a victory we could have had someone in place that had a chance. But you and many others didn't want the truth to be heard.
Such is life.
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