clint van damme
Well-Known Member
He got his HS2 figures wrong by tens of billions as well.
I’d be more concerned that the last chancellor got some his deficit/spending calculations out by more than £20bn - you know the guy that was actually in charge of the money - with a crack team of financial experts at his disposal.
Yet you’re all beside yourself because Diane messed up a few police numbers for an interview.
Should I just blindly vote Labour as I always have?
The Lib Dems would have got my vote if they hadn't jumped into bed with the Tories.
That's actually a really interesting system. Did you vote LD in the end?Although I'm probably a bit sad I go through the manifesto and look at all the policies and give each one a score out of 5. I then put them into categories like economy/jobs, education, healthcare, governance, sport/culture etc and these also get weighted out of 5 so things like economy, education and healthcare are given greater importance than things like arts etc.
The leader and candidate also get scores but they're actually weighted very low. I then look to see how each party scores.
Last time the LD actually came top in my analysis, which came as a slight surprise to me. I expected Greens but while they had a number of top ranked policies they also had a lot of very low scoring ones that I considered just silly which brought their score down. I was surprised because UKIP managed to outscore the Tories for me, and were only just beaten by Lab because they had so many middle scoring policies.
It’s never Labours fault,Like when they go on about zero hours contracts,It suits some people and Labour invented it!!!Why do others try and make out it was the fault of the Tories and Labour was innocent of everything?
A bit like when you said Labour had nothing to do with privatisation of the NHS. I showed you the evidence. Why didn't you make a comment on the subject?
You would think a general election is close.......
Although I'm probably a bit sad I go through the manifesto and look at all the policies and give each one a score out of 5. I then put them into categories like economy/jobs, education, healthcare, governance, sport/culture etc and these also get weighted out of 5 so things like economy, education and healthcare are given greater importance than things like arts etc.
The leader and candidate also get scores but they're actually weighted very low. I then look to see how each party scores.
Last time the LD actually came top in my analysis, which came as a slight surprise to me. I expected Greens but while they had a number of top ranked policies they also had a lot of very low scoring ones that I considered just silly which brought their score down. I was surprised because UKIP managed to outscore the Tories for me, and were only just beaten by Lab because they had so many middle scoring policies.
It’s never Labours fault,Like when they go on about zero hours contracts,It suits some people and Labour invented it!!!
That's actually a really interesting system. Did you vote LD in the end?
I seem to remember Blair promising to end them and then clearly never did so if Labour did, it must predate the Blair years.This should be a laugh.
Source for Labour “inventing” ZHC?
I seem to remember Blair promising to end them and then clearly never did so if Labour did, it must predate the Blair years.
All about Corbyn?not saying you should... but stop making it all about Corbyn and look at the policies that fit best with your qualities.
I can't see it being good whatever the result. All I can see is another shitfest on Friday the 13th.I'm convinced the tories will win without a workable majority and we'll be no further forward
You would struggle to do that even if it was a 1 bed house.I did say I was a dreamer. Most of them are lobby fodder anyway. But I would like a house filled with intelligent thoughtful MPs of all sides.
And the rest. Doubling it brought it nowhere near the proper cost. So they started ripping off property owners to try and get some back.He got his HS2 figures wrong by tens of billions as well.
But what use is a manifesto if you don't trust the person putting it forward?Although I'm probably a bit sad I go through the manifesto and look at all the policies and give each one a score out of 5. I then put them into categories like economy/jobs, education, healthcare, governance, sport/culture etc and these also get weighted out of 5 so things like economy, education and healthcare are given greater importance than things like arts etc.
The leader and candidate also get scores but they're actually weighted very low. I then look to see how each party scores.
Last time the LD actually came top in my analysis, which came as a slight surprise to me. I expected Greens but while they had a number of top ranked policies they also had a lot of very low scoring ones that I considered just silly which brought their score down. I was surprised because UKIP managed to outscore the Tories for me, and were only just beaten by Lab because they had so many middle scoring policies.
Why you so keep to say Labour did x under Blair? We can all see they're a completely different party under Corbyn. May as well be saying the Tories did x under PeelAll about Corbyn?
Open your eyes. It is all about Boris being shit and vote Labour. All the lies/untruths are out already. All I want is a truthful debate. But there us a lack of truth and no debate.
Look at the last day.
Labour never sold off social housing. Yes they did at a much faster rate than the Tories.
Bliar didn't privatise the NHS. Yes he did. He speeded the process up by far.
Labour don't put the national debt up. Yes they do each time. When Bliar took over last time it went from the equivalent of 7.8 billion a year to over 140 billion a year.
Corbyn isn't the person to take us forward. The same people that have admitted so now say get him in.
Yes shoot Boris down. But don't walk blindly into this.
Have you seen me give any sort of praise to the Tories? Tell me who does deserve praise.Why you so keep to say Labour did x under Blair? We can all see they're a completely different party under Corbyn. May as well be saying the Tories did x under Peel
???Have you seen me give any sort of praise to the Tories? Tell me who does deserve praise.
But strangely enough nobody has a go at me for saying anything about the Tories. But if I dare point out false information about Labour.......
All about Corbyn?
Open your eyes. It is all about Boris being shit and vote Labour. All the lies/untruths are out already. All I want is a truthful debate. But there us a lack of truth and no debate.
Look at the last day.
Labour never sold off social housing. Yes they did at a much faster rate than the Tories.
Bliar didn't privatise the NHS. Yes he did. He speeded the process up by far.
Labour don't put the national debt up. Yes they do each time. When Bliar took over last time it went from the equivalent of 7.8 billion a year to over 140 billion a year.
Corbyn isn't the person to take us forward. The same people that have admitted so now say get him in.
Yes shoot Boris down. But don't walk blindly into this.
What are you going on about????
I say - why are you not acknowledging that Labour have changed?
You hear - Why are you praising Tories?
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Dismiss his facts? I dismissed what he said with facts. Did you notice nobody questioned the facts I linked to?You ask for truthful debate - yet you know facts can be stretched, manipulated, presented on all manner of ways. Look at what shmeeee was saying on debt levels by government - and you were happy to dismiss his facts.
What you’ve said about Labour is true - but this is not the same party anymore. You know that their won’t be privatisation and council house sell offs under this version of the Party.. I’m assuming you have gripes with this.
As I and others have said before - present another leader with the same domestic vision and commitment to the changes that have been talked about and they will get my support - Corbyn will not be around forever. But take the party back to the neoliberal nonsense and we are dead.
Classic compassionate Conservatives.
We had one of the slowest recoveries post crash thanks to the Tory mismanagement of the economy IIRC.
I’m not sure what the conflict between saying Labour didn’t cause the sub-prime crisis and the Tories didn’t handle the aftermath well is TBH, can you expand?
Dismiss his facts? I dismissed what he said with facts. Did you notice nobody questioned the facts I linked to?
But no. Let's question them when not put in front of everyone.
So what facts am I wrong about?
It was a worldwide financial ‘crisis’....labour had left nothing in reserve to deal with it and as I’ve said if there hadn’t been attempts to control public expenditure (which was by then out of control - see Liam Byrne ‘there’s no money left’) you could forget borrowing at sensible rates. This would had led to immediate and far deeper cuts (see Ireland and Greece)
what did you expect them to do in 2010 ? If you say spend their way out of it...I’ll give up now ; )
Bring up data that is unbiased then. Not just an opinion piece like you usually find.Come on. You posted random one off articles. I gave you the full data from the last several decades. I also gave you the data on social housing showing that Labour sold at a lower rate than the Tories yet here you are a few posts later claiming you’ve proved the opposite.
Bring up data that is unbiased then. Not just an opinion piece like you usually find.
What is telling is that nobody has tried to dispute the evidence I have linked. Why don't you quote the evidence I have put up and say what us wrong with it? Then I know which part you are saying about instead of the normal of having to try and defend myself for no reason.
But what use is a manifesto if you don't trust the person putting it forward?
Here we go again. You call the Brown policies sensible. Yet if I bring up anything wrong I will be picking on Brown. It is though he was perfect.Carry on the sensible Keynesian policies that Brown and Darling started that had lead to the economy growing again and not throw that growth into reverse with ideological cuts.
Frankly I’d have preferred the bailouts to go to homeowners rather than the banks at the time. Giving working people money always leads to growth. Markets only work with customers. Government spending creates growth. If you want to reduce borrowing quickly it should’ve been done through targeted tax rises aimed at wealth.
We had a credit crunch remember. Banks weren’t lending and consumers weren’t spending. That’s what needed support. A bunch of teachers and nurses didn’t cause the GFC.
And I’ve addressed Byrnes note. Pure political propaganda from the Tories. I’m surprised to see a sensible poster like yourself bring it up.
Look, we obviously have different views on the economy. You won’t convince me that trickle down economics works better than trickle up is the long and the short of it and I suspect I won’t convince you of the opposite. That’s why we vote the way we do.
Do what?The ONS is biased now?
Ive heard it all.
And I’ll do that when you do for me
Here we go again. You call the Brown policies sensible. Yet if I bring up anything wrong I will be picking on Brown. It is though he was perfect.
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wasn’t perfect ...
He wasn’t perfect by any stretch...
Carry on the sensible Keynesian policies that Brown and Darling started that had lead to the economy growing again and not throw that growth into reverse with ideological cuts.
Frankly I’d have preferred the bailouts to go to homeowners rather than the banks at the time. Giving working people money always leads to growth. Markets only work with customers. Government spending creates growth. If you want to reduce borrowing quickly it should’ve been done through targeted tax rises aimed at wealth.
And I’ve addressed Byrnes note. Pure political propaganda from the Tories. I’m surprised to see a sensible poster like yourself bring it up.
Do what?
Have asked you to show what you are going on about. But you won't. You just continue to make more comments.
So what evidence that I linked was wrong?
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