General Election 2019 thread (4 Viewers)

[bezzer]

The Conservatives 2017 manifesto promised 'by 2020 every home and every business in Britain has access to high speed broadband'.

Again, pie in the sky. The infrastructure just isn't there. Within the current exchanges we have, there just isn't the capacity.

 

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[SkyBlueCharlie9]

Worth spending about 40 billion on it?

Most office based jobs, hospitals etc rely heavily on broadband and if it slows down or malfunctions pretty much everything stops. My kids secondary schools homework rely's entirely on broadband which is quite expensive and their are bright and intelligent kids in there who's families struggle to afford broadband. Private sector has failed nationally to come up with a robust vision for providing super fast broadband and its strategy for maintenance and provision is all over the shop - private sector basically just goes begging to central government anyway. Its a very obvious and very solid proposal.

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

When you go to the polling booth remember this!!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

View attachment 13444 When you go to the polling booth remember this!!

A picture of Owen Carron?

 

[shmmeee]

I work in the Telecoms industry and our 2 biggest customers are Openreach and BT. We install and commission fibre optic cables and the associated hardware on the streets and in the Telephone Exchanges. To roll out BB to every household in the UK would take years, if not decades. The cost for the hardware alone would run into the hundreds of millions. At the moment there isn't the capacity in the network to support it and despite what people think, the infrastructure from the exchanges to the end user just isn't there.

It's pie in the sky. I wonder if those who had this idea have actually spoken to people in the industry.

That’s a slightly different point. Both parties are saying they’ll push for fibre to everyone (I don’t think they literally mean fibre by the way, LOS systems or wide scale wireless in rural settlements might be options). This is just about ownership of OR.

Put it another way: if you needed to do it, how would you get the country online? Satellite? Blimps? It’s clearly a problem that needs solving. Is it just investment in the infrastructure and time?

 

[shmmeee]

A picture of Owen Carron?

Source for the credulous: Carron speaks at hunger strike event

Tory voters have to ask themselves why they have to lie so much to maintain their position.

 

[Ian1779]

View attachment 13444 When you go to the polling booth remember this!!

You know this is not Corbyn don’t you?

of course you know but you pedal this shite regardless.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You know this is not Corbyn don’t you?

of course you know but you pedal this shite regardless.

There's quite a lot of low blows, as opposed to actually being constructive and positive about what a Tory government would do.

Perhaps lefties should be better at the same, perhaps things like this should be reminded.

 

[shmmeee]

There's quite a lot of low blows, as opposed to actually being constructive and positive about what a Tory government would do.

Perhaps lefties should be better at the same, perhaps things like this should be reminded.

I doubt that’d put off the likes of westcountryskyblue TBF

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

Source for the credulous: Carron speaks at hunger strike event

Tory voters have to ask themselves why they have to lie so much to maintain their position.

Where’s the Tory voter?

 

[shmmeee]

Where’s the Tory voter?

Didn’t have you down as a Lib Dem, but OK.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I doubt that’d put off the likes of westcountryskyblue TBF

Perhaps we need more about Rees-Mogg's idea of society then, including his views on abortion.

The problem with the negative is it drags a country down. I find it very sad that people want to pull others down to their position as lowlives, rather than wanting to lift everybody up.

 

[shmmeee]

Perhaps we need more about Rees-Mogg's idea of society then, including his views on abortion.

The problem with the negative is it drags a country down. I find it very sad that people want to pull others down to their position as lowlives, rather than wanting to lift everybody up.

It’s the classic left dilemma innit? Clinton’s “they go low we go high”. We saw how that worked.

Id love to talk about Tory and BXP policy, if only they had some.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

You’re very moronically confusing two issues. Health tourism is very different to someone who has settled here and contributed to society. You wouldn’t offer them a tax refund because they’re not a british citizen so why should you deny them the rights of a tax payer because they’re not a British citizen?

I am not confusing anything

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[Ian1779]

There's quite a lot of low blows, as opposed to actually being constructive and positive about what a Tory government would do.

Perhaps lefties should be better at the same, perhaps things like this should be reminded.

According to some... when you don’t engage in this nonsense it’s merely an example of weak leadership....

 

[Sick Boy]

Where’s the Tory voter?

If you're a Brexit Party voter then the hypocrisy really will be off the scale here.

Candidate's IRA support 'disgraceful'

 

[bezzer]

Put it another way: if you needed to do it, how would you get the country online? Satellite? Blimps? It’s clearly a problem that needs solving. Is it just investment in the infrastructure and time?

Throw money at it and it and I'm sure it can be done. But sitting here looking at the technical aspect of things, it would be very difficult.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I am not confusing anything

That'd be a first.

 

[Ian1779]

Throw money at it and it and I'm sure it can be done. But sitting here looking at the technical aspect of things, it would be very difficult.

I think it said in the story that some countries like South Korea and Japan has 97/98% - what did they do differently, or did they just get started longer ago?

 

[shmmeee]

Throw money at it and it and I'm sure it can be done. But sitting here looking at the technical aspect of things, it would be very difficult.

I mean bandwidth requirements are going to keep growing regardless. It will need solving even if we don’t try and get rural communities online. 5G?

 

[shmmeee]

I think it said in the story that some countries like South Korea and Japan has 97/98% - what did they do differently, or did they just get started longer ago?

Newer equipment is part of the issue. We are paying the price for being first with a lot of infrastructure. See also rail.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

That'd be a first.

Well you, Tony & SB in particular are just so easily confused

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[Sick Boy]

Well you, Tony & SB in particular are just so easily confused

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You're just an obnoxious nasty piece of work.
There's nothing to be confused about when someone chooses to trivalise events like the holocaust as part of some pathetic point scoring.

 

[Astute]

I don’t understand your issue. Let’s say we offer 100k download speed across the board for free. Not enough for most uses but enough for light browsing to access services. Why would we have the overheads of means testing and the time lag of applying for them?

But is that what McDonnell is offering? Of course it isn't.

 

[Astute]

Its a very obvious and very solid proposal.

No it isn't.

 

[dutchman]

I work in the Telecoms industry and our 2 biggest customers are Openreach and BT. We install and commission fibre optic cables and the associated hardware on the streets and in the Telephone Exchanges. To roll out BB to every household in the UK would take years, if not decades.

I believe they said "The party aims to deliver free full-fibre broadband to all homes and businesses by 2030"?

 

[shmmeee]

But is that what McDonnell is offering? Of course it isn't.

Yeah like I say I don’t agree with all of the policy. Will be interesting to see what makes it into the manifesto.

 

[Philosoraptor]

I think what is coming in the next few years with technology and the internet isn't fully understood.

This is probably around where we are heading and going to need a sufficient system to cope with the hugely increased traffic.

 

[shmmeee]

I believe they said "The party aims to deliver free full-fibre broadband to all homes and businesses by 2030"?

Same as with the Tory policy. That’s the key word there.

 

[Philosoraptor]

I've used this example elsewhere but hooking this stuff up to 5G is going to be fascinating and yet scary at the same time until the moral element is sorted out.

 

[shmmeee]

I've used this example elsewhere but hooking this up to 5G is going to be fascinating and yet scary at the same time until the moral element is sorted out.

We are nowhere near strong AI, like 30-40 years minimum. Still lots of improvements to be made with current tech though.

 

[clint van damme]

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I work in the Telecoms industry and our 2 biggest customers are Openreach and BT. We install and commission fibre optic cables and the associated hardware on the streets and in the Telephone Exchanges. To roll out BB to every household in the UK would take years, if not decades. The cost for the hardware alone would run into the hundreds of millions. At the moment there isn't the capacity in the network to support it and despite what people think, the infrastructure from the exchanges to the end user just isn't there.

It's pie in the sky. I wonder if those who had this idea have actually spoken to people in the industry.

Johnson promised it in his inaugural speech as PM and was told by industry experts it wasn't possible. But we've had enough of experts remember!

 

[Philosoraptor]

We are nowhere near strong AI, like 30-40 years minimum. Still lots of improvements to be made with current tech though.

I know this is your field of expertise but what you are looking at here compared to the last video is around 50 years in to the future.

Can out do Humans in the decision making processes.

It runs on the same principles.

 

[shmmeee]

I know this is your field of expertise but what you are looking at here compared to the last video is around 50 years in to the future.

Can out do Humans in the decision making processes.

It runs on the same principles.

Decision engines are a different beast. You won’t get to strong AI on a rules based system.

But as I say, we have so much more we could do with the technology we have right now given more data and more effort. We’re only just scratching the surface of what weak AI like neural nets can do. Definitely exciting times, just not quite ready to worry about killer robots is all

 

[skybluetony176]

Apparently free broadband means we’re communist. What a snowflake.