Thing is Cap, it's all forecasting. Just like Osborne forecasted he'd sort the debt/borrowing out by the end of the (last) parliament.There was a guy on radio this morning who reckoned they'd raise £19bn from corporation tax & £6bn from increasing highest rate of income tax, however these assumptions fly in the face of actual experience, they are flawed because they are based on the premise that company & high earners behaviour will not change in response to taxation changes, they will react & the take would be far lower than predicted.
Thing is Cap, it's all forecasting. Just like Osborne forecasted he'd sort the debt/borrowing out by the end of the (last) parliament.
I don't trust either Labour or the Tories to get things on an even keel. It could be argued though that the Tories do their best to make it an uneven keel.
I can't believe that the same crap arguments are still going on in this thread.
If the EU was putting their people first they would want to guarantee their residency from the start. But all they are interested in is keeping the gravy train going. Tusk thinks we will stay in the end if they put enough pressure on. Merkel wants us to stay as we are one of the few net contributors. Germany does the best best out of the EU. She doesn't want to have to put more money in to cover what we put in. They are all worried about where the shortfall is going to come from.
India already set their visa demands.
I was reading something about that the other day. Haven't they basically said that the free movement of goods and services has to be precipitated by free movement of people?
We are continually learning of new problems caused by Brexit - which is according to Davis as complicated as a moon landing. No guarantee that we don't crash land either. Now its atomic control which we want to leave - not even 100% EU.
The referendum was a yes no question. How many thought they were voting to leave euroatom control? You don't need a lot of imagination to see what leaving this control body and relying solely on our government could lead to.
It's a bit like Trump explaining to his fans that no-one knew how complicated health care is. It seems that no one knew how complicated Brexit is. Now Davis is telling us this - after the referendum. What tossers have led us into this catastrophy? They will go down in history as the cause of the UK's decline.
No they won't.We are continually learning of new problems caused by Brexit - which is according to Davis as complicated as a moon landing. No guarantee that we don't crash land either. Now its atomic control which we want to leave - not even 100% EU.
The referendum was a yes no question. How many thought they were voting to leave euroatom control? You don't need a lot of imagination to see what leaving this control body and relying solely on our government could lead to.
It's a bit like Trump explaining to his fans that no-one knew how complicated health care is. It seems that no one knew how complicated Brexit is. Now Davis is telling us this - after the referendum. What tossers have led us into this catastrophy? They will go down in history as the cause of the UK's decline.
Yes...that's what happens. In every society there are rich & privileged. Do you think as his power grew Lenin, Marx, Stalin or any other socialist leader or a crony of them lived life anything like the peasants, workers or poor in the society they rule(d)The rich gaining more cash from a socialist project?
Just read Eric Arthur Blairs little satire.The rich gaining more cash from a socialist project?
Are you talking about the same Eric Arthur Blair who fought a war for socialism?Just read Eric Arthur Blairs little satire.
Or was he fighting against facism?Are you talking about the same Eric Arthur Blair who fought a war for socialism?
No they won't.
Our decline was an inevitable outcome of our ascent. Our ascent was a result of marauding murderers, followed by the favourable trading conditions permitted through fear of military reprisals, followed by the ingenuity of our very own industrial revolution.
Our population ranks 21st (last time I looked) in the world. We are still punching massively above our weight...but other similarly or greater populated economies will catch up & overtake eventually.
The EU long term (200yrs or so imo) would benefit all member states relatively equally but only due to its current massive under performing situation. That equally word above means there is a long term levelling process going on. Quality of life levelling in particular. So money is collected from richer members to distribute to the poorer ones to develop thier infrastructures. That setts it all up nicely for their qol to increase toward that which we enjoy. BUT some of the sharper member states have enterprising people (gasp), that because of the borderless environment - they see a means of simply upping sticks & join an already set up infrastructure & raised qol. Can't blame them for that. That's why we have a sizeable influx of workers to these shores.
There is a much bigger & more prosperous economic place to tap into trading outside of the EU. Trading restrictions for members with those outside of the EU actually restricts EU growth overall imo.
Its a fantastic socialist & economic project that we have thrown a spanner into the works of. We shall not see massive impact on the vast majority of the populace here or in the EU...it will mostly be business as usual with minor changes. I fear for the poor but the rich will stand to gain ever more cash
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Are you talking about the same Eric Arthur Blair who fought a war for socialism?
I'm sure it's all hip and dandy using his real name but it has a certain validity as the Eton education aged Mr "Blair" is far more Anthony Lyndon than Jeremy who I'm sure would have liked his grammar school education to land an Eton post but never really had the gravitas.
It's was against Stalinism rather than socialism.Or was he fighting against facism?
The novel was published in 1945, by that time he may have changed his mind based on the evidence.
So where has socialism worked? Nice theory but not practical.It's was against Stalinism rather than socialism.
So where has socialism worked? Nice theory but not practical.
The notion that the EU is a socialist super-state is absurd. No doubt you refer to it as the EUSSR as well.
The notion that the EU is a socialist super-state is absurd. No doubt you refer to it as the EUSSR as well.
Where did that come from?
Its more of a monolithic self perpetuating bureaucratic power bloc.
How many new burocrats have we employed because of Brexit? How many years does our poer bloc need to entangle us from the EU? What guarantee is there that we will be better off after all that?
No it's a anti democratic federalist movement governed by the super power within it.
It's why real uk socialists are repulsed by it
How many new burocrats have we employed because of Brexit? How many years does our poer bloc need to entangle us from the EU? What guarantee is there that we will be better off after all that?
Oh stop your moaning. Its happening.
Bollocks. What is a real socialist? Do you think our Lords and Monarchy are pro democratic movements? Do you think first past the post recognises all voters wishes as opposed to proportional representation?
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