General Election (88 Viewers)

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

there is a school of thought that says the tories are trying to lose this election to leave Labour to deal with Brexit, it wouldn't surprise me.

You know, on face value that looks like a ridiculous statement Clint, but looking at how they are handling this election campaign it certainly looks as if they are doing all they can not to win it.

Quite staggering really.

 

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I don't know. The Ba'ath party seem pretty good. People say they're quite right wing but I honk they're only slightly eight of centre.

They are a bit too left wing for me...

Honestly, at this point in time I have no idea who I'm going to vote for. None of them deserve it!

 

[chiefdave]

there is a school of thought that says the tories are trying to lose this election to leave Labour to deal with Brexit, it wouldn't surprise me.

You do have to wonder. Going after pensioners, a key tory demographic. And weird things that are really non issues like bringing back fox hunting and reversing the ban on ivory trading.

Latest polls put Corbyn on the same share of the vote as Blair when he won his last election. If this campaign was any longer and / or we had a balanced media May could have been in big trouble.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You do have to wonder. Going after pensioners, a key tory demographic. And weird things that are really non issues like bringing back fox hunting and reversing the ban on ivory trading.

Latest polls put Corbyn on the same share of the vote as Blair when he won his last election. If this campaign was any longer and / or we had a balanced media May could have been in big trouble.

To be honest, I don't think the media are favouring May particularly. I think all round the two leaders are getting quite a lot of negative coverage (deservedly).

If anything, other than the gay marriage saga, Farron has been kept out of it quite well. That's a shame really, because I think he is a complete c-unit. It is probably because the Lib Dems are less relevant than the other two, though.

 

[clint van damme]

You do have to wonder. Going after pensioners, a key tory demographic. And weird things that are really non issues like bringing back fox hunting and reversing the ban on ivory trading.

Latest polls put Corbyn on the same share of the vote as Blair when he won his last election. If this campaign was any longer and / or we had a balanced media May could have been in big trouble.

The thing is even if they were going to introduce unpopular policies they didn't need to announce them. It's not like they have a track record of delivering their manifesto.

 

[chiefdave]

To be honest, I don't think the media are favouring May particularly. I think all round the two leaders are getting quite a lot of negative coverage (deservedly).

University of Northumbria have been keeping track and it doesn't seem to be particularly balanced.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

University of Northumbria have been keeping track and it doesn't seem to be particularly balanced.View attachment 7499

Past experience teaches me that they are probably Labour voters!

 

[Liquid Gold]

Past experience teaches me that they are probably Labour voters!

Their findings are backed up by hard data that can be peer reviewed. Your (admittedly terrible) experiences are subjective.

 

[lifeskyblue]

Labour always has problems getting a positive message across in the right leaning press. TV is fairly neutral I think but newspapers certainly not. Mirror Labour, guardian liberal, independent neutral but centre. The rest right/Tory (times, telegraph, mail, express, sun)


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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Their findings are backed up by hard data that can be peer reviewed. Your (admittedly terrible) experiences are subjective.

Where's the study? Would bee keen to have a look. Can't find it through google.

I know for the long time a lot of people (including the media) have been quite critical of Corbyn, but if the guy doesn't even have control of his own party, then how could he lead the country? It's probably representative in that sense. However, I don't agree that others should escape less criticism.

It seems recently a lot of the left wing papers are very much encouraging of him.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Labour always has problems getting a positive message across in the right leaning press. TV is fairly neutral I think but newspapers certainly not. Mirror Labour, guardian liberal, independent neutral but centre. The rest right/Tory (times, telegraph, mail, express, sun)


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Agree, other than The Independent.

That shit is definitely aggressive left.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Where's the study? Would bee keen to have a look. Can't find it through google.

I know for the long time a lot of people (including the media) have been quite critical of Corbyn, but if the guy doesn't even have control of his own party, then how could he lead the country? It's probably representative in that sense. However, I don't agree that others should escape less criticism.

It seems recently a lot of the left wing papers are very much encouraging of him.

Here's what I found with a quack google. Haven't read it all as I'm at work but it seems to convey broadly the same message

Media analysis of the 2017 General Election campaign - report 2

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Here's what I found with a quack google. Haven't read it all as I'm at work but it seems to convey broadly the same message

Media analysis of the 2017 General Election campaign - report 2

It has the I, but not the actual full format Independent in there.

The Independent is his biggest backer really, so this study doesn't paint the fullest of pictures. (They are also the largest critique of the Tories).

I am not taking away by any means, that most media outlets don't criticise Corbyn, but the weight of the studies are probably not as level as it might appear.

 

[Monners]

Here's what I found with a quack google. Haven't read it all as I'm at work but it seems to convey broadly the same message

Media analysis of the 2017 General Election campaign - report 2

 

[chiefdave]

That's the one, got the wrong uni!

 

[chiefdave]

It has the I, but not the actual full format Independent in there.

Probably because that stopped publication last March.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Probably because that stopped publication last March.

The Independent?

That is in full publication, supporting Corbyn and bashing May. Yet no inclusion on the newspaper study.

 

[Liquid Gold]

The Independent?

That is in full publication, supporting Corbyn and bashing May. Yet no inclusion on the newspaper study.

I think it's looking at print media. The Independent moved to online only last year. If you are going to include online then you could be getting things from all manor of crazy sources.

Anyway, although some of their views are pretty left wing, I wouldn't count anything owned by tax dodging Russian oligarchs as progressive.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Tory next policy will be the re-establishment of workhouses

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[Liquid Gold]

Tory next policy will be the re-establishment of workhouses

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Some people would still argue that they're right.

 

[chiefdave]

That is in full publication, supporting Corbyn and bashing May. Yet no inclusion on the newspaper study.

Final print edition of the Independent after 30 years but ‘our mission endures’ – as does i and the website – Press Gazette

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Final print edition of the Independent after 30 years but ‘our mission endures’ – as does i and the website – Press Gazette

Regardless, The Independent is one of the most read media outlets in the country.

It might be excluded from the study as it 'technically' isn't printed any more, but if you want to get a full picture of media bias you would be silly not to include it.

 

[JimmyHillsbeard]

My degree was in politics and even I'm getting sick of it.

Where and when? I'll probably know people who taught you

 

[chiefdave]

Regardless, The Independent is one of the most read media outlets in the country.

Independent ranks 8th in online news sources in the UK. Problem is number 1 is the BBC with a 35% of all page views from the entire top 100 combined. The drop off after the top 5 is huge:
https://www.similarweb.com/blog/uk-media-publications-ranking-february-2017

 

[Sick Boy]

You know, on face value that looks like a ridiculous statement Clint, but looking at how they are handling this election campaign it certainly looks as if they are doing all they can not to win it.

Quite staggering really.

Sadly I think they are just incompetent.

 

[Sick Boy]

there is a school of thought that says the tories are trying to lose this election to leave Labour to deal with Brexit, it wouldn't surprise me.

Not intending to start another endless debate, but this wouldn't surprise me, especially after the fairy tales told by some members of her party. If/when they fail to deliver, they won't get back into power any time soon.

 

[JimmyHillsbeard]

The Tories are having a terrible campaign. A semi-competent opposition would be making mincemeat of them. Ed Miliband would be 10 points ahead right now.

 

[dutchman]

The Tories are having a terrible campaign. A semi-competent opposition would be making mincemeat of them. Ed Miliband would be 10 points ahead right now.

And he'd still lose!

 

[chiefdave]

Was a mistake putting May out to justify the U-turn. The press conference was unbelievable, her just stood there shaking her head as the press asked basically the same question over and over. Made it pretty obvious why they've been keeping her away from anyone who might ask a non pre-approved question.

Same on the BBC interview with Neil. Point blank refusal to answer the question and then started claiming it wasn't a u-turn and had been the plan all alone.

This is the woman who keeps claiming to be strong and stable and the best negotiator for a good Brexit deal. Not looking that way at the moment.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Regardless, The Independent is one of the most read media outlets in the country.

It might be excluded from the study as it 'technically' isn't printed any more, but if you want to get a full picture of media bias you would be silly not to include it.

It wouldn't be consistent to include it, and would be shockingly bad research practice.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

It wouldn't be consistent to include it, and would be shockingly bad research practice.

You're voting Labour aren't you?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You're voting Labour aren't you?

Not necessarily.

I do know what to do with academic research, and I do know you need a constant methodology rather than picking and choosing to distort...

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Not necessarily.

I do know what to do with academic research, and I do know you need a constant methodology rather than picking and choosing to distort...

Exactly. An example of that would be choosing printed new outlets over online ones, especially when the biggest supporter of Corbyn is now an online publication.

I'm not saying the media is not more biased against Corbyn than anyone else, but to publish a study saying how hard done by he is when something like The Independent is missing out, is misleading to say the least, and doesn't paint a credible overall picture.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Exactly. An example of that would be choosing printed new outlets over online ones, especially when the biggest supporter of Corbyn is now an online publication.

Nope.

If your research was what online response was, then you'd do that.

You can't arbitrarily add in one online publication.

There are also very good reasons to do with fixity and the like why you may wish to separate them.

I'mn afraid the only one showing bias here is you, looking for a conspiracy. In itself this is interesting, and would make for a worthwhile qualitative analysis

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Nope.

If your research was what online response was, then you'd do that.

You can't arbitrarily add in one online publication.

There are also very good reasons to do with fixity and the like why you may wish to separate them.

I'mn afraid the only one showing bias here is you, looking for a conspiracy. In itself this is interesting, and would make for a worthwhile qualitative analysis

Absolute bollocks.

People are trying to say 'Corbyn is hard done by', then add studies into this thread which have reported on one selective segment of the media which is bias in itself.

As I've said, I don't have an agenda, I know Corbyn does get a harder hand than many others, it's just not as black and white as you are making out.

All I'm saying is look at the bigger picture, it isn't just 'everyone against Corbyn'.