I totally agree that all sides need to tell us why THEY are the best choice - not why the other side ISN'T. Sick to death of smear campaigns.Some of you are losing your minds.
I am not pro Tory, or pro Labour, or pro Lib Dem. I am just asking questions.
This arrogance reminds me of the Brexit debacle. People are not going to be persuaded to vote Labour when they are genuinely on the fence and get such a pitch fork response. I'm genuinely looking for the best overall package to vote for, if anything all this thread has done is make me be wary of Labour even more.
Next Thursday ought to be fun if Labour lose, there is such a defensive 'I'm never wrong' attitude flowing here which is not very nice.
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Yes Bazza - the way this brexit campaign has been portrayed is as if May has been burning the candle at both ends, working out the fine details, and she'll be tied up for the next year doing just that. All she'll be doing is delivering a few speeches and signing on the dotted line once the brexit team have dotted the i's and crosssed the t's.That's why it is largely irrelevant. The civil servants put the priority arguments down, only loosely aligned to the (ir)relevant manifesto, & the key negotiation strategy. The PM largely just delivers to EU leaders what they tell him. PM & staff gets EU responses & counter demands...& it all goes back to civil servants to quickly pick the bones out of before responding & coming back their own counter demands for the PM to return with.
The PM role in it is to keep it all as far as possible roughly aligned to their manifesto promises, & people buy people first...so to be received well by the other sides teams.
Now call me old fashioned...but I think cringing granny in league with Lizard Davis & Bonkers Boris, versus warm-hearted (front at least) grandpa...all be it flanked by Paul (of the movie!) from the LibDems & Wee Jimmy Krankie from the SNP!
We're doomed!!!
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Can't wait for May to bring back fox hunting.... #realissuesforrealpeople
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Yes, the one and pretty much only right wing attack in a very long time was committed there.
That's a rare occurrence, Islamic attacks are not.
Unless she wins by a huge majority then it is more less game over for May.
You're more of a crackpot than Sky Blue Kid and Hadji10 combinedNo its not - it means mission accomplished as Corbyn will remain
You're more of a crackpot than Sky Blue Kid and Hadji10 combined
I refer you back to my previous post re qualifications.No I just understand the political game far better than you . What do the Tories want a 100 seat majority and a new leader like Starmer or Cooper and a new direction or a 30 seat majority and the rag tag team of Corbyn and McDonnell as "opposition" till a landslide win next time around?
I refer you back to my previous post re qualifications.
So she called an election to end up with practically the same situation as before it ?No I just understand the political game far better than you . What do the Tories want a 100 seat majority and a new leader like Starmer or Cooper and a new direction or a 30 seat majority and the rag tag team of Corbyn and McDonnell as "opposition" till a landslide win next time around?
So she called an election to end up with practically the same situation as before it ?
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Its a wasted vote with the system we currently have in place. Compare the votes UKIP and SNP got in the last election and the number of seats they ended up with. No point voting for someone who has no chance of winning in your constituency.Is voting for a third party a wasted or protest vote?
exactly its the system that doesn't help. The current system is encouraging the two party system and stops other parties taking a footfold completely albeit UKIP, Lib Dems and certainly SNP have made strides in certain areas. For me a vote is never wasted as long as its used but of course you are not backing the winning horse.Its a wasted vote with the system we currently have in place. Compare the votes UKIP and SNP got in the last election and the number of seats they ended up with. No point voting for someone who has no chance of winning in your constituency.
exactly its the system that doesn't help. The current system is encouraging the two party system and stops other parties taking a footfold completely albeit UKIP, Lib Dems and certainly SNP have made strides in certain areas. For me a vote is never wasted as long as its used but of course you are not backing the winning horse.
That first answer is pure David Brent. If she had a tie on she'd have been adjusting it.Mrs May is turning into a sweaty, contorted mess. This is one hell of an act Grendel, I'll give you that.
The joke at the end where nobody laughed was the best bit.That first answer is pure David Brent. If she had a tie on she'd have been adjusting it.
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When you highlight the NHS budget have you factored in increase in population as well as increase in costs, wages (incl pension and NI)
When you highlight the NHS budget have you factored in increase in population as well as increase in costs, wages (incl pension and NI)
Bottom line is that is a cut in real terms however you dress it up.
Same in education - the money has gone down.
In fairness to the Tories Ian, they have always said they have put more money into the NHS and that graph does seem to suggest that. It would be interesting to see how the "real terms" figures stack up, and WHERE that money has gone...services HAVE been cut. An elderly neighbour who was blind had a home help come twice a day - a service run by social services/NHS/council - but this was contracted out to a private company. I'd like to think the money pumped into the system is used within the system, but I woudn't hold my breath.When you highlight the NHS budget have you factored in increase in population as well as increase in costs, wages (incl pension and NI)
Bottom line is that is a cut in real terms however you dress it up.
Same in education - the money has gone down.
Interesting you seem to ignore the other stats on the chart.
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