Grendel
Well-Known Member
Well if Mr Corbyn gets in power prepare yourself for more children from the private system when fees are hiked by 20%
What like the deficit? I'm pretty sure we were supposed to have stopped losing money 2 years ago?
At least the minimum wage and tax allowance have gone up as fast as the price of items.... oh wait....
Remind me when I'm in school next week to tell the kids that it's OK they have no books or equipment - because the GDP looks good.
In fairness to the Tories Ian, they have always said they have put more money into the NHS and that graph does seem to suggest that. It would be interesting to see how the "real terms" figures stack up, and WHERE that money has gone...services HAVE been cut. An elderly neighbour who was blind had a home help come twice a day - a service run by social services/NHS/council - but this was contracted out to a private company. I'd like to think the money pumped into the system is used within the system, but I woudn't hold my breath.
Would like to see the figures for other public services in that chart (eg. police, fire, armed forces, council help etc) see how much they've improved.
But 'they' aren't bothered about that. Defence industry is big bucks...and lots of export to help the economy. Money and oil matter more than anything else in the world to 'them'Actually amazing that they get away with this..... the sheer callousness of selling weapons to a barbaric 7 century kingdom whilst knowing exactly what they are using the weapons for in Yemen, and whilst they are furthering the spread of their radical and violent form of Islam in Britain. Our great ally Trump has just flogged them 110 billion dollars worth of weapons over the next 10 years..... despite 9/11. Would Corbyn have sold them our weapons? Would he censur Trump? The report must show The Saudis in a bad light otherwise it would have been published before the election. If it gets published straight after the election, it will have been forgotten about by the next election.
I remember us selling arms to Iraq in the early 80s. I even had a chat with one of Saddam's arms buyers in London. Dead nice guy and really generous - g and ts all round. I asked him what he did for a living and he was quite open about it. That all ended in tears.
I can't vote as I live abroad, but I would vote for a party against May. She represents more of the same. Old fashioned tory policies and the island mentality of bygone generations. No, I don't see us as global Britain under May. More of a Britain desperately looking for new trade deals and having to deal with scum such as the Saudi royal family.
Even if you don't believe there is a different between Labour under Corbyn and under Brown & Blair its a touch misleading to compare the midst of a global financial crisis to now.
If they implement Naylor that will be the end of the NHS.they would put money into the NHS by implementing the Naylor report. That's no way to go forward.
It's weird that so many bang on about Corbyn and the IRA, yet are happy to vote for a party with an actual ex member of the IRA standing for election.
It's weird that so many bang on about Corbyn and the IRA, yet are happy to vote for a party with an actual ex member of the IRA standing for election.
An investigation into the foreign funding of extremist Islamist groups may never be published, the Home Office has admitted.
The inquiry commissioned by David Cameron, was launched as part of a deal with the Liberal Democrats in December 2015, in exchange for the party supporting the extension of British airstrikes against Isis into Syria.
But although it was due to be published in the spring of 2016, it has not been completed and may never be made public due to its "sensitive" contents.
It is thought to focus on Saudi Arabia, which the UK recently approved £3.5bn worth of arms export licences to.
What do you mean by brexit style meltdown. I don't think anybody actually expects Labour to win.If Labour don't win the election I predict a Brexit style meltdown. There are a lot of parallels.
I'm not particularly saying good or bad either way, but I'll definitely be getting the popcorn in!
What do you mean by brexit style meltdown. I don't think anybody actually expects Labour to win.
the more votes a smaller party gets then the more chance of one of the big two adopting policies which appeal to their support base so it's not wasted.
I didn't think May looked that bad last night. She was clear precise and to the point. It's just people who don't agree with her policies that seem to say she was rubbish.
I don't like Corbyn but thought he came across well. He simply has to much baggage to win and if labour had a leader with everyone supporting him:her then labour would do a lot better imo. You can't have most of your team resigning and attempted coups at ousting him along with his awful team of abbot and McDonnell and expect to win an election.
But 'they' aren't bothered about that. Defence industry is big bucks...and lots of export to help the economy. Money and oil matter more than anything else in the world to 'them'
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Doesn't look so good for the Conservatives there.
You could argue the opposite given that the labour figures are based on a period of growth based on the good situation that they inherited when coming to power compared to the situation that the tories inherited when they came into power.
The only way to judge a parties performance is the state that they left the country in compared to the state that they inherited it in and on that score the last labour government is surely the worst in history. Yes I know that people are going to cry world financial crisis but the truth is that the last labour government were a big part of that problem. The decisions they and they alone with a massive majority took regarding the governance of the financial sectors made what happened almost inevitably rather than less likely. They gave the kids the keys to the candy shop.
Fucking hell, last night's QT was a blast, wasn't it? Where did the BBC get these stripey blazered 60 plus lunatics who were creaming themselves at the thought of nuking the shit out of another country.
Trident is a deterrent, it will never be used yet these old blokes were desperate for JC to say he would press that hypotherical button.
Press it...press it...PRESS IT!!!! Kill 'em all...Theresa would do it...PRESS IT...
Fucking hell, last night's QT was a blast, wasn't it? Where did the BBC get these stripey blazered 60 plus lunatics who were creaming themselves at the thought of nuking the shit out of another country.
Trident is a deterrent, it will never be used yet these old blokes were desperate for JC to say he would press that hypotherical button.
Press it...press it...PRESS IT!!!! Kill 'em all...Theresa would do it...PRESS IT...
As you say there was a world financial crisis, it was nothing to do with Labour. You only think it is Labour's fault if you vote Tory or read the Express, the Sun, the Mail, the Star, Telegraph or listen to people like you who prepetuate the myth.
It's weird. A bit like Rudd and May banging on about the money tree. "There is no magic money tree" they cry, yet the £400bn of quantative easing and bailing out the banks would suggest otherwise. Or the double digit rise MPs have had.
Banks, not Labour, caused the crash and it is the working man, particularly those in the public sector who have paid the heaviest price. Still, easier to blame Labour. Tony, maybe you'd like to remind us all how the Tories have got on getting that deficit down ove r the last seven years. As you said judge a government on when it leaves office.
It was bordering on madness at times. They seemed desperate t murder as many innocent people as possible, it really is bizarre.
As Theresa May said, wee had the fastest growth of the G7 countries last year, well it's slowed to the lowest growth in the G7 this year - whose fault is that?
We are getting out stripped by countries with higher corporation tax, less wage contraction and less wage inequality.
More tory red herrings used as an excuse to steal from the working man and give it to the top 1%.
May wasn't as self destructive as Corbyn last night IMHO.
There are many who, like a lot of us here, would debate the policies and look into the details. To the casual viewer though, the big sticking point and the one latched onto by the press and the floaters, is the nuke option. I like Corbyn's stance re. education, public services, the poorer in society - his principles are pretty sound. Unfortunately, those same principles cost him the election last night IMHO. Shame as, in reality, if it ever comes to the crunch I'm sure his cabinet would revolt and push the button anyway.
You know how it goes mate. Unfortunately bad news grabs headlines and starts conversations in pubs a lot more than positive spin.The fact that the nuclear discussion is the supposed key point over education, NHS, social care shows had bad it has become in terms of social inequality - people caring more about nukes than giving kids a fair chance in life means the elite have done really well at distracting away from the real issues.
As you say there was a world financial crisis, it was nothing to do with Labour. You only think it is Labour's fault if you vote Tory or read the Express, the Sun, the Mail, the Star, Telegraph or listen to people like you who prepetuate the myth.
It's weird. A bit like Rudd and May banging on about the money tree. "There is no magic money tree" they cry, yet the £400bn of quantative easing and bailing out the banks would suggest otherwise. Or the double digit rise MPs have had.
Banks, not Labour, caused the crash and it is the working man, particularly those in the public sector who have paid the heaviest price. Still, easier to blame Labour. Tony, maybe you'd like to remind us all how the Tories have got on getting that deficit down ove r the last seven years. As you said judge a government on when it leaves office.
It's got nothing to do with voting tory or which paper you read. The fact is Tony Blair's government with a controlling majority chose, that word again, chose to relax the constraints of the financial sector. It's was Blair's government that allowed the banking crisis in this country, those words again, this country. It was Blair's government who allowed self certification mortgages, allowing people to borrow five times their wages etc. etc. No one forced them to do these things, they did them willingly.
Yes there was a world financial crisis, yes we would still have taken a hit but the choices that Blair and Brown made exacerbated the problem by failing to safeguard the country from all of elements of the world banking crisis. The one specific that springs to mind was the toxic mortgage debt that UK banks were allowed to buy of the US financial markets whose mortgage arrangements were even more ridiculous than ours were allowed to become. Which was a big part in the collapse of our banking sector.
It doesn't how many times I vote labour, buy the Sun or whatever. It doesn't change the facts of what Blair's government chose to do and ultimately that failed the UK banking sector.
Quite frankly it's a lazy response to say I must be a Tory Sun purchaser as a justification for why this country was hit si hard.
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