Grendel
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She has a son who was privately educated. She herself was from grammar school educated and an Oxbridge graduate.
Mr Corbyn was also of course a prodigee of the grammar system.
Corbyn and Abbott are career polititions never done a days work in their life.
Talking of schools,Are her kids still educated privately?
Pot and Kettle comes to mind.
Do as I say not as I do,They will never get the working mans vote while they are all on the front bench I'm afraid.
Just back to a protest party after thursday holding their placards shouting abuse at everyone who doesn't vote labour calling them racist's!!
careerist politicians? What, like johnson and may who were firmly behind remain until they sniffed a shot a number 10, or perhaps opportunist politicians is a better word.
I know who'll be getting this working mans vote.
I'm actually not a big fan of Abbot but I still prefer her to anyone in the current cabinet.
Johnson was a journalist.
Abbott is one of the most sneering, duplicitous and incompetent politicians that has ever existed. That's quite an honour given the competition.
Not only did she get her son a private education she even had the audacity to play the race card and say it was only as he was black.
so you don't think every child deserves a chance/
Can't wait, or it could be more people dying on trolleys in hospital corridors, more food banks, rich people continuing to get richer while the poor get poorer, the old losing their homes in order to pay for care. I'm voting for the kind of society I want to live in and the Tories simply fall way short on that for me.Anyone voting for mr Corbyn will deny every child of that chance.
Corbynomics will collapse. The share index will capitulate, the pound will crash to low levels previously unseen and jobs will go.
Under the union control pay demands will escalate in the public sector and interest rates and inflation will soar. Mortgage defaults will be common place and unemployment will treble.
Some chance.
Can't wait, or it could be more people dying on trolleys in hospital corridors, more food banks, rich people continuing to get richer while the poor get poorer, the old losing their homes in order to pay for care. I'm voting for the kind of society I want to live in and the Tories simply fall way short on that for me.
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Anyone voting for mr Corbyn will deny every child of that chance.
Corbynomics will collapse. The share index will capitulate, the pound will crash to low levels previously unseen and jobs will go.
Under the union control pay demands will escalate in the public sector and interest rates and inflation will soar. Mortgage defaults will be common place and unemployment will treble.
Some chance.
You get the government you deserve. Enjoy dying in a hospital corridor because you don't have the money to afford insurance.
NORWAY. SWEDEN. DENMARK.Under the previous administration that reflected Mr Corbyns failed dogma you couldn't even bury your dead.
Good luck.
NORWAY. SWEDEN. DENMARK.
It's social democracy you moron, not marxism. It works.
Swedish health care largely funded through taxation. But there is some private. Organised v differently in local, regional and national. Sweden v concerned re encroachment of further privatisation.
Denmark...health care paid through taxes and free at point of delivery.
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A moron?
Ok you mention Scandinavia so let's look at all their policies and compare them to Corbyn
Let's go Sweden - Health care - free at the point of care - yes or no?
NORWAY. SWEDEN. DENMARK.
It's social democracy you moron, not marxism. It works.
Can you not claim back fees for private health care, I think certain conditions need to be met.
Swedish health care largely funded through taxation. But there is some private. Organised v differently in local, regional and national. Sweden v concerned re encroachment of further privatisation.
Denmark...health care paid through taxes and free at point of delivery.
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Yes swedes claim back nearly all health care fees. They are concerned tho that the encroachment of private services is pushing up overall costs.
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More too it than that though. More people live in London than the entire population of Denmark for instance. Denmark is a lot easier to govern and administer purely based on population alone which makes it more efficient. It is apparently the most contented nation in the world, I'll give you that but the cost of living is high as is taxation for all, not just the rich. It also relies heavily on private investment. The road and rail bridges for instance that links the islands to the mainland. So there are tolls to pay that make both road and rail travel expensive.
It is a great little country though with great people. I'd highly recommend it to anyone to visit. Spent a lot of time there over the years. Never been to Sweden or Norway so can't really comment to much about them.
Good old Wiki eh? What's it missing?
And their national debt is around 40% of GDP. Corbyn inherits nearly 100% and plans to borrow more. What happens to government debt when supply exceeds demand?
I also teach comparative social policy of which health care is a vital section of lectures. In the 1980s I wrote a paper on the Swedish 7 Crowns reforms (health reforms).
And yes wiki is useful...but my paper was written well before anyone had heard of it.
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never been Scandinavia, would love to go.
Do they still charge for appointments then ?
It's great. Go to Copenhagen in December is my recommendation. Tivoli is fantastic at that time of year plus the Christmas bears are available.
Anyone voting for mr Corbyn will deny every child of that chance.
Corbynomics will collapse. The share index will capitulate, the pound will crash to low levels previously unseen and jobs will go.
Under the union control pay demands will escalate in the public sector and interest rates and inflation will soar. Mortgage defaults will be common place and unemployment will treble.
Some chance.
NORWAY. SWEDEN. DENMARK.
It's social democracy you moron, not marxism. It works.
I have a piece of advice to pass on. When you get old pray you get cancer and not dementia, your family will be fine financially then.
It's got nothing to do with voting tory or which paper you read. The fact is Tony Blair's government with a controlling majority chose, that word again, chose to relax the constraints of the financial sector. It's was Blair's government that allowed the banking crisis in this country, those words again, this country. It was Blair's government who allowed self certification mortgages, allowing people to borrow five times their wages etc. etc. No one forced them to do these things, they did them willingly.
Yes there was a world financial crisis, yes we would still have taken a hit but the choices that Blair and Brown made exacerbated the problem by failing to safeguard the country from all of elements of the world banking crisis. The one specific that springs to mind was the toxic mortgage debt that UK banks were allowed to buy of the US financial markets whose mortgage arrangements were even more ridiculous than ours were allowed to become. Which was a big part in the collapse of our banking sector.
It doesn't how many times I vote labour, buy the Sun or whatever. It doesn't change the facts of what Blair's government chose to do and ultimately that failed the UK banking sector.
Quite frankly it's a lazy response to say I must be a Tory Sun purchaser as a justification for why this country was hit si hard.
Also, the tories haven't handed power over yet but even if they don't win the general election the fact is that the next labour government will be starting from a better position than the last labour government left it in.
In one respect I actually agree with you and at least you acknowledge Corbyn is a liar regarding his desires on taxation. As you've been on a course in sure you are aware of the taxation systems in these countries.
Are you admitting Mr Corbyn will have to resort to the draconian and punitive systems these countries - especially Denmark - operate?
No. It is not a fact. If May wins we have years of Brexit and trade negotiations with the rest of the world. Thousands of civil servants occupied with Brexit and the repurcussions. I would say that when labour take over after May's stint - assuming she wins - Britain will be in a total mess and labour will be starting from a worse position than they left.
The UK NHS is one of the most efficient health services in Europe. The government spends less as a % of GDP on it than the most of Europe. You need to reconsider what you mean by value for money.Just like saying this works in Denmark so it will work here isn't as simple as that with taxes either. If you know Scandinavians you'll know that to the majority of them value for money is important. They don't mind paying more as long as its value for money. The same is true of taxes in my experience. You take their national health service for instance. I know a Danish lady of retirement age whose just received an eyelift on their national health as a preventative medicine. Basically it can stop a lot of age related eye conditions in a certain percentage of people so they do it routinely at a certain age rather than wait to see who needs it. That's a value for money you'd never get on the UK NHS regardless of what the tax rates were.
In one respect I actually agree with you and at least you acknowledge Corbyn is a liar regarding his desires on taxation. As you've been on a course in sure you are aware of the taxation systems in these countries.
Are you admitting Mr Corbyn will have to resort to the draconian and punitive systems these countries - especially Denmark - operate?
The UK NHS is one of the most efficient health services in Europe. The government spends less as a % of GDP on it than the most of Europe. You need to reconsider what you mean by value for money.
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