Grendel
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Is it? Neil Kinnock had full theatres, huge rallies on a far greater scale than this.
He lost to a rather grey man standing on a soap box.
Strange that a man with no charisma is pulling in bigger crowds at rallies than any politician since Churchill.
I see Ms Abbott is stepping aside indefinitely, too much of a liability? If it is a Labour win watch for a swift recovery.
Regards.
Is he?Strange that a man with no charisma is pulling in bigger crowds at rallies than any politician since Churchill.
Strange that a man with no charisma is pulling in bigger crowds at rallies than any politician since Churchill.
Is he?
Certainly wasn't at the one where he should have been facing the cameras :smuggrin:
So going into Labour strongholds and getting everyone they could turn up means he is charismatic?
He's spoken to 16k people at 2 separate rallies in the past 2 days. I'm not a member of a union but it doesn't feel as though anybody was shepherded there. No coaches laid on just people turning up on their own to see a man who engages them in politics.Not at all strange. As a union member, and a union rep back in the day, I saw first hand the "shepherding" of large numbers of people to events like that. Nothing wrong with it of course. You saw it in the Scots independence vote from the SNP. (Although they would also "shepherd" large numbers of people to opponents rallies too, to shout them down, which is wrong imho).
The unions want Corbyn to succeed more than any Labour politician since Kinnock imho, so maybe the "shepherding" has been ramped up this time?
He's spoken to 16k people at 2 separate rallies in the past 2 days. I'm not a member of a union but it doesn't feel as though anybody was shepherded there. No coaches laid on just people turning up on their own to see a man who engages them in politics.
I watched his Birmingham rally (on facebookHe's spoken to 16k people at 2 separate rallies in the past 2 days. I'm not a member of a union but it doesn't feel as though anybody was shepherded there. No coaches laid on just people turning up on their own to see a man who engages them in politics.
I see Ms Abbott is stepping aside indefinitely, too much of a liability? If it is a Labour win watch for a swift recovery.
Regards.
He's spoken to 16k people at 2 separate rallies in the past 2 days. I'm not a member of a union but it doesn't feel as though anybody was shepherded there. No coaches laid on just people turning up on their own to see a man who engages them in politics.
As I said earlier I am a union member. They have been in contact with me.He's spoken to 16k people at 2 separate rallies in the past 2 days. I'm not a member of a union but it doesn't feel as though anybody was shepherded there. No coaches laid on just people turning up on their own to see a man who engages them in politics.
I'm mote concerned about the absecence of John McDonnell. Where is he?
Having a pint with Mr Adams perhaps? Reminiscing about the bulletts, the bombs and the dead Tories - the good old days.
Not at all. I just think it's disingenuous to suggest Corbyn is unpopular when he may possibly win the highest vote share of any Labour leader, apart from '97, in a long time. He's engages a lot of disaffected people with politics and shows there is an appetite for decent social democratic politics. If it wasn't for his stance of Trident and the like he could be smashing this election. Imagine a Labour leader with similar political views that has served in Afghanistan...So do you think Labour can win now?
The woman has been an absolute liability. She will have lost them votes. So not surprised in the slightest that they have removed her from the spotlight. And Labour must be short of decent MP's if she is one of the best of them.Think it might be a bit misleading hotrod.
It's a clever move to get her out the way, but it's only whilst she's 'ill'. What I'd take from that is should Labour win she will be reinstated as home secretary in about 10 days when she miraculously gets better after breakfast one morning!
Fair enough. But a labour affiliated union sending out an email to inform you a rally is taking place is very different to corralling a shop floor which is how I took the suggestion.As I said earlier I am a union member. They have been in contact with me.
So do you think Labour can win now?
And he might return the lowest for a long time. We shall see.Not at all. I just think it's disingenuous to suggest Corbyn is unpopular when he may possibly win the highest vote share of any Labour leader, apart from '97, in a long time. He's engages a lot of disaffected people with politics and shows there is an appetite for decent social democratic politics. If it wasn't for his stance of Trident and the like he could be smashing this election. Imagine a Labour leader with similar political views that has served in Afghanistan...
Fair enough. But a labour affiliated union sending out an email to inform you a rally is taking place is very different to corralling a shop floor which is how I took the suggestion.
I would say the Tories have tried very hard to lose, it's a question of if they've tried hard enough or not?
Not at all. I just think it's disingenuous to suggest Corbyn is unpopular when he may possibly win the highest vote share of any Labour leader, apart from '97, in a long time. He's engages a lot of disaffected people with politics and shows there is an appetite for decent social democratic politics. If it wasn't for his stance of Trident and the like he could be smashing this election. Imagine a Labour leader with similar political views that has served in Afghanistan...
Fair enough. But a labour affiliated union sending out an email to inform you a rally is taking place is very different to corralling a shop floor which is how I took the suggestion.
As I have previously said I am a lifelong Labour supporter. It is Corbyn and Abbott who have put me off voting Labour. It is more like Abbott and Costello. They have been a comedy double act.Not at all. I just think it's disingenuous to suggest Corbyn is unpopular when he may possibly win the highest vote share of any Labour leader, apart from '97, in a long time. He's engages a lot of disaffected people with politics and shows there is an appetite for decent social democratic politics. If it wasn't for his stance of Trident and the like he could be smashing this election. Imagine a Labour leader with similar political views that has served in Afghanistan...
Fair enough. But a labour affiliated union sending out an email to inform you a rally is taking place is very different to corralling a shop floor which is how I took the suggestion.
Labour landslide then. I'm off to withdraw my pension while there is still some money left in it.
Oh guffaw-guffaw.I'm mote concerned about the absecence of John McDonnell. Where is he?
Having a pint with Mr Adams perhaps? Reminiscing about the bulletts, the bombs and the dead Tories - the good old days.
I think Grendel is just being a bit of a Mr HuntOh guffaw-guffaw.
Maybe he's out looking for Mr Hunt?
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The woman has been an absolute liability. She will have lost them votes. So not surprised in the slightest that they have removed her from the spotlight. And Labour must be short of decent MP's if she is one of the best of them.
I'm mote concerned about the absecence of John McDonnell. Where is he?
Having a pint with Mr Adams perhaps? Reminiscing about the bulletts, the bombs and the dead Tories - the good old days.
Everything he has written regarding this election has been indistinguishable from a Murdoch stooge editorial.Oh god, you're one of those headline readers aren't you.
Kinnock was mainly addressing trade union organised gatherings, blocks of numbers FromIs it? Neil Kinnock had full theatres, huge rallies on a far greater scale than this.
He lost to a rather grey man standing on a soap box.
Can you tell me what makes you so happy about what he has said because as a Labour voter I missed it.Kinnock was mainly addressing trade union organised gatherings, blocks of numbers From
different industries (when we had some) teachers and nurses etc.
Corbyn is addressing largely unorganised gatherings, it just seems he appeals to a lot of
People and they want to hear him talk, it's invigorating TBH.
As a life long socialist It feels like the first time in over 30 years we have had a Labour
Party worthy of its name, I have no doubt the Torys will Win on Thursday (all be it with-
a Reduced majority) but it doesn't matter, people are starting to wake up.
When May and Murdoch called this snap election, they thought they only had to turn up
To increase their majority, they didn't even bother costing their manifesto, their arrogance
Knows no bounds.........how they must be regretting that now.
That was 'New Labour' under Blair. And we all know how that ended. The Labour party will struggle until they get a leader that will sort them out. They haven't had a decent leader for years.I think the problem is some of their MP's are Tories in everything but the name.
Where did I say that?
You say you can't vote Corbyn because he has no charisma and isn't a leader, but always voted Labour before. Seems to imply you think Miliband did.
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