chiefdave
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I'm interested to know what you would view as sufficient proof any incident has a racial aspect? Are you expecting the officer in question to pop on his Klan uniform before kneeling on someones neck?
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David O'Day
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Mate you know it's not racism unless the guy changes into a full Herr Flick from Allo Allo costume first.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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But bring that in a women will say they should only be arrested by women. Asians should only be arrested by Asians. Trans can only be arrested by trans, muslims by muslims etc. Unworkable.
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chiefdave
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If you don't identify as anything does that mean you can never be arrested?
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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As far as arresting someone is concerned ? You tell me.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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So your conclusion is he was arrested because of the colour of his skin then. That makes sense.
Grendel
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Reminds me of a story when graham Swann was arrested for drink driving - his hamster had got stuck under floorboards and he’d had to go in his car to get some tools to open the floorboards
Is David blacking up today?
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Is kneeling on his neck motivated by race or is it simply a very poor decision by the officer in question?
If a black officer knelt on my neck should I assume he's a racist ? ( I'm white, for my sins )
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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I should cocoa .
skybluetony176
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Apparently they stopped and searched him after being called to the area for a crime that he wasn’t involved in. Why did they stop and search him if that’s the case?
Nick
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Man who has been to prison for violence, carrying a knife at the scene of a fight and was wanted to be recalled to prison. Also resisting arrest and has previous for carrying weapons. I am sure somebody capable of breaking a woman's eye socket can live with a knee on his head for a little bit.
Yeah it's fucking stupid to put his knee there, but again. If he wasn't wanted by the police, if he wasn't at the scene of a fight, if he wasn't resisting, if he wasn't carrying a knife then it probably wouldn't have happened at all. Was anybody filming what happened before it or has just the video of the police having him pinned down been released?
Would anybody have much sympathy if there was a Tommy Robinson type skinhead, woman beater with a knee on his head who was carrying a knife? I doubt it.
It is going to be worrying if people like that just get waved off because of their skin colour. Nowadays it will just be a case of make videos go viral and get an apology and let off. I don't envy the police, if there's a wanted, violent bloke known for carrying weapons resisting arrest do you struggle with him or just let him walk off to save the hassle?
I am sure DOD will blame his ex missus for headbutting his fists though. Imagine a world where the public would rather stand about and film / heckle the police struggling with a violent man carrying a knife rather than help them. It is scary.
Interesting he is shouting "Get off my neck" while he is kneeling on the side of his head though. The copper gets suspended for catching a wanted, violent man who was carrying a knife.
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Nick
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Dread to think what his nunchucks he has been caught carrying previously were for. Sex Toys?
Marty
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It's not a job I would do, I don't envy them one bit. Imagine living in a society where you condemn the police for coming down hard on violent criminals carrying weapons. It's actually embarrassing that the police are going on like this.
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He has been charged with carrying a knife, and the case sent to Crown Court. Of course, it may be that he is found not guilty; but that is most certainly the charge.
what we have now is unmanageable. If this revolting character had been arrested by a black officer with a foot on his throat we would be seeing him for the scumbag he is rather than the emphasis on the arrest. I take your point but this is the immediate issue
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Before we go too far along this path, let's see what the Deputy Met Police Commissioner said about it.
Given he has also seen the body cam footage, that isn't your normal bland holding statement.
Marty
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A wanted violent offender was taking off the streets. The police officer likely saved a young life that night and should be commended for his bravery in the face of such aggression.
skybluetony176
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So why didn’t they go straight to arrest instead of stop and searching him, discovering the weapon that led to his arrest. You seem to be suggesting that this stemmed from the police identifying him, clearly they hadn’t otherwise there wouldn’t have been a stop and searched. The identification clearly happened after the event. The question to ADM was originally why was he stopped and searched if the police had been called to a crime he wasn’t involved in? ADM was questioning whether he was arrested because of the colour of his skin, which he clearly wasn’t. My question was why was he stopped and searched in the first place?
skybluetony176
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The first part of your reply seems pure luck. Are you suggesting that the guy was on his way somewhere to commit a murder?
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The Deputy Met Police Commissioner says it's our of order how it was done.
Personally, I'm glad our police leaders seem to have a grasp on things, and aren't psychotic nutters.
Marty
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I'm not suggesting he was on his way to commit a murder, What I am suggesting is that if he was involved in any agro that night then he was equipped to cause serious harm and likely death.
clint van damme
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There's a whole division of the Met dedicated to black inn black violence.
One doesn't justify the other.
Grendel
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Perhaps he was a Boy Scout on his way to an outdoor persuits day
Marty
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With all due respect I don't think we should be taking the word of a commissioner who's over saw violent crime rapidly grow in his area. He's clearly not very good at his job and playing to his audience, and is not someone's opinion we should listen too.
It's all well and good sitting behind a desk criticizing someone on the front line, but Sir Stephen House is about 11 stone wet through and would have got absolutely ruined if he tried to apprehend the man.
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No, let's take the word of a random message board poster who hasn't seen the footage he has.
With all due respect.
Still, it worked well in the US when the police tried to sweep things under the carpet.
clint van damme
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We have to have proper processes and accountability and that has to apply to everyone otherwise we end up like the States where the police are basically a militia with licence to do what the fuck they want.
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I'd have thought the response from our lot is an excellent reassurance that we take things seriously.
But nope, it seems to be provoking a lot of he had it coming. Dangerous ground, that.
Marty
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Hahaha, touche.
Tommo1993
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No of course not. But any activism against black gang violence is almost unheard of compared to say BLM standing up when bad things happen involving different ethnicities. It doesn’t feel, as I said, equally scrutinised.
Nick
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He was carrying a knife.
Fucking hell, the desperation to defend this c**t is embarrassing.
Nick
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It's almost as if the police have to apologise for everything now due to public pressure and people defend a proven scumbag carrying a knife just based on his skin colour.
He was carrying a knife and resisting arrest, he had a knee on his head for a few seconds. His life was never at risk.
Its scary. I know somebody who was stabbed recently and I won't say what happened to the knife man before the police got there, no doubt some of you lot would have stuff up for the scumbag.