Nick
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He was carrying a knife.
Fucking hell, the desperation to defend this c**t is embarrassing.
He was carrying a knife.The first part of your reply seems pure luck. Are you suggesting that the guy was on his way somewhere to commit a murder?
It's almost as if the police have to apologise for everything now due to public pressure and people defend a proven scumbag carrying a knife just based on his skin colour.Before we go too far along this path, let's see what the Deputy Met Police Commissioner said about it.
Given he has also seen the body cam footage, that isn't your normal bland holding statement.
Or alternatively they were using a disturbing method of arrest that wasn't in their training to use...It's almost as if the police have to apologise for everything now due to public pressure and people defend a proven scumbag carrying a knife just based on his skin colour.
Or alternatively they were using a disturbing method of arrest that wasn't in their training to use...
The police seem to think so.Is it actually disturbing though, really?
Nothing to do with public pressure though, right? Same as those athletes who got a thinly veiled apology while saying the police did nothing wrong.The police seem to think so.
I find this discussion (as many, tbf!) very bizarre.My disappointment with the response to the clip is the desperation to remove any notion that there could have been a racial motivation on behalf of the white officer. It doesn't mean there was one. We do not know.
For a police officer to use it after all that has gone on is ridiculous . It needs to be stopped.
yet you are scared about him being pinned down on his head for a few seconds while he resisted arrest.
I find this discussion (as many, tbf!) very bizarre.
As far as I can see, nobody (apart from, maybe, one poster) has said the police shouldn't have arrested him.
At this stage he was in handcuffs, on the ground, with two officers there. It's safe to say he wasn't winning this fight!
And all you mentioned was that it wasn't a good look after George Floyd. That's, surely,undeniable. Even ADM got there in the end
Definitely not if they looked on this board...Nothing to do with public pressure though, right?
There's only one of us not citing the police when making a judgement in this. This magical 'defending a man' shit as well, comes from fuck all doesn't it, really. It isn't there, is it?It's more disturbing that you would want to defend a man like him having a knee on his head for a few seconds. Imagine his ex Mrs when she was getting her head reconstructed. It's no wonder the police have to say sorry when people like some on here are so desperate to defend the actual criminal.
This shit really does scare me. I have had somebody waving a sword around in a pub, I'll ring some people on here next time who will calmly just deal with it.
You think he will be let off? The police will be hounded until he's fired.no, it's about making sure it doesn't become the norm and they start doing it to people for fuck all. Given the circumstances that you've pointed out I'm sure there's every chance the officer will be exonerated but that's why you have accountability.
If you don't you end up with plain clothes officers snatching people off the street. I'm sure if you'd told the people of Portland ten years ago that would be happening in their city they'd have told you to stop talking shite but it's happening as we speak because the police have been given licence to do what they want.
Look at a few posters including you on the thread, acting disgusted because a man had a knee on his head for a few seconds and was never at risk of death or actual harm.Definitely not if they looked on this board...
There's only one of us not citing the police when making a judgement in this. This magical 'defending a man' shit as well, comes from fuck all doesn't it, really. It isn't there, is it?
WHo's disgusted? All I've done is agree it's not a good look, and quote the Deputy Commissioner of the Met Police. There's only one person starting a fight in an empty house around here, deciding what people think, how they feel, and it fucking stinks.Look at a few posters including you on the thread, acting disgusted because a man had a knee on his head for a few seconds and was never at risk of death or actual harm.
Read the tone of posts from you, dod etc. I'd say that stinks more.WHo's disgusted? All I've done is agree it's not a good look, and quote the Deputy Commissioner of the Met Police. There's only one person starting a fight in an empty house around here, deciding what people think, how they feel, and it fucking stinks.
Well well
What's wrong with what he's said, then? Clears them, it shows the police are transparent, and have rigorous standards by allowing it to be investigated. Doesn't clear them... it shows the police are transparent, and have rigorous standards by doing something about it!Of course we can’t get through this without Corbyn looking like a silly c*nt.
No carry knife, no worry about it.
Yeah but he might have got his face grazed while trying to resist arrestOf course we can’t get through this without Corbyn looking like a silly c*nt.
No carry knife, no worry about it. I’ll just take a knife out with good intentions.
You think he will be let off? The police will be hounded until he's fired.
The norm will be that people can do whatever they want and shout about their neck and get away with it.
That's the scary bit.
Was the footage actually deeply disturbing???? HaWhat's wrong with what he's said, then? Clears them, it shows the police are transparent, and have rigorous standards by allowing it to be investigated. Doesn't clear them... it shows the police are transparent, and have rigorous standards by doing something about it!
While showing that our police force is more accountable than the US, and has better standards, protocols and procedures.
It was on his head.He won't be fired. And no one can shout about getting knelt on if it does t happen.
According to his lawyer he was legally carrying a tool to fix a bicycle. When I ride my bike I carry a small toolkit that includes a fold out plier that has a blade in the handle. If I’m stopped and searched would that justify a knee on my neck? Being white though I’ve never been stopped and searched.I'm not suggesting he was on his way to commit a murder, What I am suggesting is that if he was involved in any agro that night then he was equipped to cause serious harm and likely death.
Again, the Deputy Chief Commissioner of the Met Police seems to think so. It's very odd to have trust in the police in one way, but not when a senior police officer says something!Was the footage actually deeply disturbing????
Do you think it was disturbing or not?Again, the Deputy Chief Commissioner of the Met Police seems to think so. It's very odd to have trust in the police in one way, but not when a senior police officer says something!
A) what he was carrying hasn’t been officially confirmed. Initially the police said it was a knife although they seem to have backtracked on it a bit and according to his lawyer he was legally carrying a tool use to fix bicycles.He was carrying a knife.
Fucking hell, the desperation to defend this c**t is embarrassing.
According to his lawyer he was legally carrying a tool to fix a bicycle. When I ride my bike I carry a small toolkit that includes a fold out plier that has a blade in the handle. If I’m stopped and searched would that justify a knee on my neck? Being white though I’ve never been stopped and searched.
A) what he was carrying hasn’t been officially confirmed. Initially the police said it was a knife although they seem to have backtracked on it a bit and according to his lawyer he was legally carrying a tool use to fix bicycles.
B) The police as I understand it from the reports I’ve read were not called to deal with this individual and chose to randomly use stop and search powers on him. His history seems to have been an unknown stroke of luck to people who want to ignore that the only reason he was stopped and searched was because of the colour of his skin.
C) and the latter is the point I’m making. He was only stopped and searched because of the colour of his skin. That’s the overall issue faced by black people disproportionately on a daily basis.
According to his lawyer he was legally carrying a tool to fix a bicycle. When I ride my bike I carry a small toolkit that includes a fold out plier that has a blade in the handle. If I’m stopped and searched would that justify a knee on my neck? Being white though I’ve never been stopped and searched.
I think we can agree that the way the Poice Officer attempted to contain this individual was wrong (though hardly amounts to police brutality). The problem, however, is that as with the other recent cases the just cause for Police intervention gets overlooked or even dismissed altogether, something that I guess suits certain agendas just fine.
Look, the guy may indeed be innocent of the charge, but what do you expect his bloody lawyer to say!
I have never been involved in a public disturbance, never been a burglar, never carried a knife. But I have been stopped and searched. The first time was when, aged 17, I committed the apparent sin - and I agree it probably was a sin - of going to see Sham 69 at Rock City in Nottingham. On leaving the gig and walking back through Nottingham I was stopped by two Police Officers and received tow blows in the chest and a hit in the face because "you probably think it's cool to dress that way".
When working at a Coventry warehouse on evening shift over the course of a few years in the late eighties and nineties I must have been stopped 4 or 5 times as I cycled home, as it was considered suspicious that I was cycling the streets at 2 o'clock in the morning. Several times I was searched.
Far too easy for people to blame the Police without understanding the difficult job they have to do and react to. I'm not going to say too much here, but my friend and one of our very loyal supporters - a life long City fan and ST holder - is currently off work having been attacked on whilst on duty in May. Thankfully the guy responsible (a white guy, should it matter) got 8 months for it.
Now, of course, the first incident was outrageous but this was a time when the Police could indeed be as brutal as their reputation. But I had no problem whatsoever with being stopped on other occasions.
I think we can agree that the way the Poice Officer attempted to contain this individual was wrong (though hardly amounts to police brutality). The problem, however, is that as with the other recent cases the just cause for Police intervention gets overlooked or even dismissed altogether, something that I guess suits certain agendas just fine.
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