Ring Of Steel
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Very true, then you have people like Earlsdon going one step further saying it’s ‘black privilege’
Spot on. There are BAME people I follow on twitter and sometimes they call out something as racist and you think not really you're being a bit sensitive then you look at the actual barrage of disgusting shit they get daily and you think no fucking wonder.
But white people tell them they're wrong!! Fucking brass neck of the cunts.
It's not totally random either, it's not like he was called a thinking man's crumpet or something. There *is* a way you can see why he would think it racist, so why the hell tell him otherwise?!?I see this too. Though I have issues with the 'if I say it's prejudiced it's prejudiced' line generally. But he can certainly say 'As a black man it made me feel this way' and people can choose not to want to make him feel that way even if they don't agree it's racist per se.
Dammit I'm torn on this now. Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.
tbf, if I called someone gammon then, if they hadn't been insulting me initially and they asked me to stop, I would.
Again, why wouldn't I? I can come up with plenty of other insults easily enough.
Reverts back to the simple thing. It may not have been intended as racist, it turned out to be seen as racist, there are obvious reasons why it could be construed as racist... what kind of attitude is it, at that point, to silence the black man and put him back in his box, denying it's racist?!?
Very true, then you have people like Earlsdon going one step further saying it’s ‘black privilege’
tbf, if I called someone gammon then, if they hadn't been insulting me initially and they asked me to stop, I would.
Again, why wouldn't I? I can come up with plenty of other insults easily enough.
It's not totally random either, it's not like he was called a thinking man's crumpet or something. There *is* a way you can see why he would think it racist, so why the hell tell him otherwise?!?
You know what, Nick infuriates me but I actually quite like him. His brain works very differently to mine but he's genuine. Some others, however... are sly, and devious, try to skew others towards their paranoid beliefs and motives, and are rather selective in what they choose to condemn while trying to deflect onto others, claiming they do the same and twisting perception.I honestly think people like @Nick and @Earlsdon_Skyblue1 want the clarity in their own minds. You've got a legitimate feeling among people that the 'rules' aren't clear and the genuinely don't want to be racist but can't figure out where the line is. So when something like comes up it's less about denying Akinfenwe the agency of deciding he felt racist, and more about trying to clarify something they didn't think was racist. I'm sure there's genuine racists using it for cover too, but the refrain I hear the most is 'we used to say treat everyone the same, simple'.
I think we need a way to both accept people's lived experiences of racism as valid, and give people an out over genuine confusion? I can appreciate though that if you're in the public eye and you give everyone one free racism it'd end up with a lifetime barrage of racism and the racists would take the piss.
As I say, I'm torn on the whole thing. It does feel like 80s/90s anti-racism was a clearer message and as such garnered more support than 2000s/2010s anti-racism and ultimately effectiveness is what matters if we're going to change.
You know what, Nick infuriates me but I actually quite like him. His brain works very differently to mine but he's genuine. Some others, however... are sly, and devious, try to skew others towards their paranoid beliefs and motives, and are rather selective in what they choose to condemn while trying to deflect onto others, claiming they do the same and twisting perception.
Came across the CD scam when I was in NYC, never saw race come up once.
No black gammons are there? I mean I use it and find it funny. But it’s specifically about their skin colour.
Different when it’s white on white though. I would never call as Asian lad a bounty bar, But hear it all the time between Asian lads.
Is gammon our N word?
Maybe they should reclaim it too. Sup ma gammon?
(this is what happens when I can’t sleep)
I’ve never, ever heard anyone call someone a pig due to their skin colour, you are either lying or just plain stupid.
You know what, Nick infuriates me but I actually quite like him. His brain works very differently to mine but he's genuine. Some others, however... are sly, and devious, try to skew others towards their paranoid beliefs and motives, and are rather selective in what they choose to condemn while trying to deflect onto others, claiming they do the same and twisting perception.
Happened most/every time for me. Opening line was "Shake a black man's hand". If you didn't say anything or walked on, "Are you racist?" quickly followed.
No mate, I just don't go round shaking random people's hands.
Akinfenwa will have sadly had racist abuse in his career / life, there's no need to try to go deep to make something racist that may not have been because of BLM. All that does to me, is make it look like a "moment" where everybody wants to be part of it. He doesn't need to say things like that (after calling himself it anyway) to make a point about racism. Just be open, honest and hard hitting and that's what people will see.
It's the same point I have made about SISU, they have been cunts enough over the years. If people make stuff up that they haven't done it then makes it easy to bat those away.
This was 8 years ago now, I could see with recent events things might have changed. The scammers and street 'entertainers' in NYC are ridiculous.
and if he sees racism where there is none that's probably why, you should be able to see his point of view if he's had to put up with this shit all his life. See my post 3949 on previous page.
Yeah, this was last year.
Agreed, sometimes you just want to go for a walk without being pestered by anyone.
If he sees something that he described himself as as racist then he should probably think before he posts / says things himself.
where abouts? Never had any hassle in New York personally.
Cool, then you can finally explain to me where the kid on the bike in the video was playing the race card? Also how does you entering the conversation saying 'Why am I being made to feel guilty for being white?" not constitute playing the race card?Do I have issues with people playing the race card at every opportunity which dilutes the real issue with racism?
but you're saying hes probably experienced racism all his life and then telling him he's dealing with it incorrectly. Do you not realise how that sounds?
Cool, then you can finally explain to me where the kid on the bike in the video was playing the race card? Also how does you entering the conversation saying 'Why am I being made to feel guilty for being white?" not constitute playing the race card?
where abouts? Never had any hassle in New York personally.
edit - I did once, but that was in Bedford Stuyestant and I made a big error ending up there.
So if somebody has experienced racism in the past, it gives them free reign to then say anybody they want is racist even though they may not be?
I am all for calling out racism, not so much when it's a very long stretch to make something racist when it may well not be.
Cool, then you can finally explain to me where the kid on the bike in the video was playing the race card? Also how does you entering the conversation saying 'Why am I being made to feel guilty for being white?" not constitute playing the race card?
No it doesn't. But if they're sensitive about the issue and maybe over reacted I'll give them a pass which is what I think happened in this case.
I've haven't been subjected to racist abuse throughout my life so I'm not going to tell people who have how they should react.
Been out of this thread for ages as it’s a fucking joke. But race card playing time for me.
As the only non white bloke in here I think he is and have also blocked him. So read into that whatever you want.
The kid on the bike video? I don't think I ever specifically said he was playing the race card did I? I was talking more about the athlete.
And yes, my thoughts are that BLM has done more to whip up racial tension that it has done to fight it. There was a lot of people saying 'silence is violence' and all that kind of shit, directly aimed at white people. Also trying to make out that we should feel guilt about what our ancestors did. What is wrong in me saying that?
I don't think casual racists are going to be educated successfully if people say to them that they should feel guilty about their skin colour. Surely the argument should be that everyone is equal.
One thing I bear in mind with Akinfenwa (and pretty much every black player directly contactable on social media) is the sheer amount of horrific and unquestionable racist abuse they get sent on a regular basis by all these anonymous accounts, that kind of thing must absolutely grind you down and make you more than a little sensitive to any comment and comparison made about you, however misconstrued or innocent it can be. I don't think anyone would willingly play the 'race card' for fun or attention, because it really doesn't seem much fun getting that kind of attention.
“The athlete, the guy not paying for the train ticket, and the guy on the bike. All of them have behaved incorrectly and then played the race card.”
Totally agree with that as well. 12 year olds thinking they can send banana images and stuff on social media.
Again this can do with the "can do no wrong" attitude nowadays. Police turn up at the door and a lot of parents will say their kid is an angel, their account was hacked, they would never do it again etc.
If I had somebody knock at my door saying I was giving out racist abuse at 12, I would be absolutely shit scared of the consequences. Safe to say my parents would have been backing me. If I was caught with a knife, it would have been the same thing.
If the school had rang my parents for me being a dick, I'd be petrified about going home because I knew shit was going off. Now I have a daughter of school age I have seen parents standing and shouting at teachers saying their little c**t kids have done nothing wrong.
Nowadays authorities, schools and police etc have that barrier of parents who will do everything and anything rather than admit their kid was being a c**t and deal with the issue. The kid then sees this and absolutely rinses it for all it's worth thinking they are untouchable.
It'll never happen, but social media accounts being legally linked to someone's identity would change society for the better overnight
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