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I've seen that a few times on Twitter, always good to see.
Couldn't agree more with that. Twitter seems to be the biggest cesspit, but I have seen it in quite a few places. I saw a video once of someone that had been racially abused on twitter track down the person that posted the unsavoury comment and film them being confronted and told them to explain their actions. They absolutely shit themselves and were just shown up to be the pathetic human being they were.
Ok, let me rephrase it slightly.
"The athlete, the guy not paying for the train ticket, and the guy on the bike. All of them have behaved incorrectly and then played the race card, apart from the guy on the bike where in the comment section of the video people were pointing out the driver reacted badly because the guy being a prick on the bike was black and played the race card on his behalf".
When you are arguing points like that and trying to initiate I am racist because of it, then perhaps it is not me that is the problem.
You have a knack of intervening on certain threads and not others, where you're conspicuous by your absence. You got all excited on the NZ shootings thread once it deviated from that, onto more comfortable ground for you. After missing it for an eternity, suddenly it was:Ok, let me rephrase it slightly.
"The athlete, the guy not paying for the train ticket, and the guy on the bike. All of them have behaved incorrectly and then played the race card, apart from the guy on the bike where in the comment section of the video people were pointing out the driver reacted badly because the guy being a prick on the bike was black and played the race card on his behalf".
When you are arguing points like that and trying to initiate I am racist because of it, then perhaps it is not me that is the problem.
I think it's more the case that when the man bites the dog, it gets coverage. When the dog bites the man, it's yesterday's news.
Saw a post earlier on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Posted 14 tweets about New Zealand. Not a single one about Sri Lanka.
Yes, not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists pledge their allegiance to Islam.
I'm not bashing Muslims,
If there were no refugee's how many of these attacks would have happened?
You guessed right, it would be zero.
All I've said is that when he [Tommy Robinson] talks about the issues with Islam, he knows what he's talking about.
You have a knack of intervening on certain threads and not others, where you're conspicuous by your absence. You got all excited on the NZ shootings thread once it deviated from that, onto more comfortable ground for you. After missing it for an eternity, suddenly it was:
Only came on the thread when @covcity4life called you out. Ignored the thread altogether about nazi police officers, frantically tried to make this thread about you.
Wouldn't be such an issue if you didn't claim that was what others did. You have a knack of trying to take threads off topic when they get too uncomfortably close to the bone, you decide people are making you feel guilty for being white when they're not, you generalise and have an unfortunate knack of being like a dog on heat when it's something about Islam. You come up with conspiracy theories where somehow, the Left are an entity, who are all about covering things up, you choose conspiracy theory people to back up your claims and select a very partial argument, conveniently omitting where elements *have* actually been dealt with.
The irony is astounding.
Give me thecoventrian any day. I'm pretty sure that's not thought about and isn't done to try and push people towards their POV. unfortunately you're one who, if people say you're exhibiting racist behaviour, will try and weasle out of it and continue in that way, safe in the knowledge they're all out to get you.
I'll leave you with one quote which you'll try and weasle out of
You'll justify the context, wilfully missing the fact you're tarring all refugees with that brush, demonising them, making them an object of fear and trouble and worry. It's about trends, not isolated cases. One-offs are fine, a consistent pattern is... not, and suggests something more sinister than just misunderstanding / a difference of opinion. To clarify, just about everybody on this board is not racist, and I certainly won;t go down the path of saying the Right is racist.
And with that, I'm joining hill in ignoring, as why should I have sly propaganda thrust down my throat, with the attempts to weasle out.
It'll never happen, but social media accounts being legally linked to someone's identity would change society for the better overnight
There are some who are genuinely unaware, genuinely get the wrong end of the stick, genuinely just... hold different beliefs to me and you.Jesus, Tommy Robinson as well, not much more to be said really.
I’m not ‘initiating’ anything, you did that yourself very effectively with your posts and views, as you demonstrate above with the backtracking. Anyway enough of this.
You have a knack of intervening on certain threads and not others, where you're conspicuous by your absence. You got all excited on the NZ shootings thread once it deviated from that, onto more comfortable ground for you. After missing it for an eternity, suddenly it was:
Only came on the thread when @covcity4life called you out. Ignored the thread altogether about nazi police officers, frantically tried to make this thread about you.
Wouldn't be such an issue if you didn't claim that was what others did. You have a knack of trying to take threads off topic when they get too uncomfortably close to the bone, you decide people are making you feel guilty for being white when they're not, you generalise and have an unfortunate knack of being like a dog on heat when it's something about Islam. You come up with conspiracy theories where somehow, the Left are an entity, who are all about covering things up, you choose conspiracy theory people to back up your claims and select a very partial argument, conveniently omitting where elements *have* actually been dealt with.
The irony is astounding.
Give me thecoventrian any day. I'm pretty sure that's not thought about and isn't done to try and push people towards their POV. unfortunately you're one who, if people say you're exhibiting racist behaviour, will try and weasle out of it and continue in that way, safe in the knowledge they're all out to get you. I won't even get to thr tropes about how you're losing your country.
I'll leave you with one quote which you'll try and weasle out of
You'll justify the context, wilfully missing the fact you're tarring all refugees with that brush, demonising them, making them an object of fear and trouble and worry. It's about trends, not isolated cases. One-offs are fine, a consistent pattern is... not, and suggests something more sinister than just misunderstanding / a difference of opinion. To clarify, just about everybody on this board is not racist, and I certainly won;t go down the path of saying the Right is racist.
And with that, I'm joining hill in ignoring, as why should I have sly propaganda thrust down my throat, with the attempts to weasle out.
Translation: I don't have any counter arguments so I will call you racist.
Wow missed all this as like @hill83 I decided to sit this thread out as i dont like seeing fellow cov fans letting themselves down. I want to feel like we are all on same team!
That said i saw this all coming with earlsdon for few years now and drew attention to it. Unforuntley he has continued this path
Look the world is messed up right now and people are scared .and that's all races that are scared for one reason or another
They key is to try and understand and move past it. That requires both sides to listen and take stuff on board. People like Tommy Robinson are taking advantage of scared people because no one is listening to them.
I don't think earladon hates people based on colour but he defintley does judge them on it. And that's what fundemntically makes racism stupid. Having an opinion on someone you have never met. We are all unique souls.
Let's have dialogue and try to come together. Social media is killing this world. Let's never use words like gammon, Karen or snowflakes . I hate them personally.
Every race has issues because we are all human and not perfect.
Hippy as it sounds we are all ONE so lets come together and solve this shit!
Look, claim as many ‘victories’ as you want if it makes you happy, I don’t care, nobody seems to care- your views are there for all to see, and they ain’t pleasant.
Does it really all boil down to point scoring and taking victories where there are none?The evidence is there for all to see, people will make their own minds up.So basically what you are saying is that I'm too difficult to argue against so you're putting me on ignore? I'll take that victory. In fact, every time someone blocks me for having a slightly different opinion then all it proves is that you really have lost the argument. Also we are supposed to be adults, ignoring someone is extremely babyish if you cannot handle a few words on the internet.
Nothing I have said there is racist whatsoever and all you have proved is that I argue the opposite on some things where I see double standards. As for 'propaganda', give me a break. I am kind to nearly everyone on here and to say I am worse than Coventrain who got banned for actually saying something racist is just ridiculous,
Well maybe hill and client can unblock you and we can try change the conversation
Understand if they dont though. Sometimes its good to avoid negativity too
Does it really all boil down to point scoring and taking victories where there are none?The evidence is there for all to see, people will make their own minds up.
Well if people cannot debate in an adult fashion and resort to blocking me when they don't like my opinions, I would say that says more about them than me.
You can lead the way . You're the expert on pointless.Mr Dugdale,
I like you really (I apologise). Although you can be a bit baity, there's more to you than that and actually when you get down to it, we seem to have a similar world view on how to treat people face to face etc. That frightens me a bit, but it is what it is.
Tbh I don't even get what this argument's about, or why. Could I suggest you and Tony move on to the next pointless argument?
Remember, Black Skin, White Masks. It's very good.
I feel snubbed.You can lead the way . You're the expert on pointless.
This is quite good
Pork Legs Are Shaking Up British Politics
How gammon, a traditional English meal, became a leftist insult—and why it's igniting a debate about racismwww.google.co.uk
“The insult is like the mirror image of “snowflake,” a slight used by the political right to denote a hypersensitive generation of young people on the left who struggle to deal with dissenting viewpoints and therefore require “safe spaces” lest they get “triggered.”
It’s more ageist than racist I would say.
Get in the queue behind me.I feel snubbed.
What problem does Earlsdon actually have, because much as I read, i can't see he has any whatsoever. You on the other hand like to go the way with whatever is trending at the moment. A very well trodden and predictable stance as usual.Which is a very well trodden & predictable stance for you to take, it’s what you always say, as NW put so clearly. Start with yourself before you make out it’s everyone else with the problem and “claiming victories”, which is just a bit sad tbh
What problem does Earlsdon actually have, because much as I read, i can't see he has any whatsoever. You on the other hand like to go the way with whatever is trending at the moment. A very well trodden and predictable stance as usual.
Wow missed all this as like @hill83 I decided to sit this thread out as i dont like seeing fellow cov fans letting themselves down. I want to feel like we are all on same team!
That said i saw this all coming with earlsdon for few years now and drew attention to it. Unforuntley he has continued this path
Look the world is messed up right now and people are scared .and that's all races that are scared for one reason or another
They key is to try and understand and move past it. That requires both sides to listen and take stuff on board. People like Tommy Robinson are taking advantage of scared people because no one is listening to them.
I don't think earladon hates people based on colour but he defintley does judge them on it. And that's what fundemntically makes racism stupid. Having an opinion on someone you have never met. We are all unique souls.
Let's have dialogue and try to come together. Social media is killing this world. Let's never use words like gammon, Karen or snowflakes . I hate them personally.
Every race has issues because we are all human and not perfect.
Hippy as it sounds we are all ONE so lets come together and solve this shit!
Spent the last 3-4 days in Brighton, first time I’ve had more than a passing visit in years. While the city has its issues with homelessness and drugs, the atmosphere where people can be comfortable being themselves is a breath of fresh air. As CC4L said it does turn you into being a bit of a hippy but as places go in this country it’s a model for how to break some of the divides you can see on here.
and if he sees racism where there is none that's probably why, you should be able to see his point of view if he's had to put up with this shit all his life. See my post 3949 on previous page.
but you're saying hes probably experienced racism all his life and then telling him he's dealing with it incorrectly. Do you not realise how that sounds?
I see you're point - if you're used to encountering a certain problem issue so often you can sometimes look for it or see it even when it's not there.
But at the same time why would you comment on a very minor/mild perceived slur whose racial overtones can be questioned instead of incidents where outright racism has occurred? It does dilute the problem with detractors saying "well if he's got to a point where he's complaining that's racist it can't be that bad" when he's probably suffered hundreds of more vile slurs than that. If you're pointing out the problem choose the biggest examples. Make people uncomfortable that this issue is still a massive problem. The timing of it all as well with BLM also gives the bandwagon impression.
I can understand recalling and talking about worse abuse could be more upsetting for him compared to the more mild buffalo reference but sadly it's not going to help correct the injustices and if anything makes the problem appear more trivial.
What you and others are basically saying (I think) is in racially sensitive times a black person should be 100 percent sure that the comments aimed at them have racist intent.
No one is saying in racially sensitive times, don't compare a black person to a large black wild animal. Putting the onus on the offended person rather than the person making the comment. I find that strange.
Well yeah, before calling somebody a racist they should be sure that it is actually racist. Surely that's common sense for somebody to be sure something is racist before accusing somebody of it?
The point is, the offended person also compared himself to a large black wild animal a couple of months previously.
but again, unless you'v experienced racism all your life you're not really in a position to criticise, or at least say he got it wrong but I empathise with why. This isn't just about the Akinfenwa case either.
Again, you're a white person telling a black person how to react to racism or perceived racism without any criticism aimed at the initial slur, it doesn't sit well with me.
In which case a black person could decide completely if something is racist and everybody should act as if it was?
How far do we go with being able to abuse it? Until somebody can't be arrested for a crime because them saying it is racist means it was racist and police will get fired?
Somebody gets fired from their job because somebody decides something non-offensive is racist that day?
Somebody who has suffered sexual abuse can accuse people of sexual abuse even if it wasn't?
It detracts away from ACTUAL racism, same when the woman was banging on about Coco Pops being racist. Fuck the facts, as a black woman said it then it can't be questioned.
Like I said, Gammon could be deemed as racist and explained why but you are able to say categorically it isn't?
He never did call somebody a racist, though.Well yeah, before calling somebody a racist they should be sure that it is actually racist. Surely that's common sense for somebody to be sure something is racist before accusing somebody of it?
The point is, the offended person also compared himself to a large black wild animal a couple of months previously.
Adebayo Akinfenwa said:Regardless of whether or not there was deliberate racial intent by using that language, if we are to make real and long-standing change then we must strive to educate each other about these issues.
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