The fact that you are even considering this angle makes you a racist in the eyes of some on this thread. How dare you even consider that any reference to your skin colour, as you see it, by (and worse still) a black person, would be considered as racist.In your opinion.
As a white person I find it offensive and racist. It infers all white people are weak and fragile.
Sounds silly doesn't it?
Your point rests on the presumption that these are both just about the colour of the object and the individual being insulted. My entire point was that that is not the case.Yes, your point makes a lot of sense. But that is not the reality of what's going on.
Without looking to sidestep this time, lets say the insult wasn't 'snowflake', but was 'polar bear', and let's say 'water buffalo' was a 'black rimmed television' - what would the outcome be?
It would be exactly the same as above. A black person could be allowed to get offended about the television comment, and the white person would be ignored for making such a nonsense accusation.
That is not equal. Until we have equal rules, there will be racism one way or another.
You can't make arrests on a case by case basis by thinking about it in this context. Perhaps give the aggressor a questionnaire before wacking them.
I don't think white people are offended any more than black people.Your point rests on the presumption that these are both just about the colour of the object and the individual being insulted. My entire point was that that is not the case.
“Until we have equal rules, there will be racism one way or another” I’m not sure what your intention is here but it comes across a bit like your main worry about racism is whether there are a very clear set of rules to stop white people feeling offended.
I've not said the black community are the aggressors.By using the term 'aggressor' you've just said that the assumption is that the black community are the ones to have caused the problem.
I'm saying the reason that that has occurred could be for a number of factors.
For example, if an institutional bias in the police results in more black people being stopped and more frequently, the willingness to co-operate erodes and the black community start to resist or be more problematic, fed up of the situation. Thus the police end up being more heavy handed and start thinking black people are far more troublesome and approach altercations with the black community with a heavier hand to start with, expecting it will be needed. This makes the black community even worse, resulting in an even more heavy handed approach, leading to more distrust and so on in a vicious circle. All started due to discrimination in who and who doesn't get stopped due to racial profiling.
Of course there will also be wrong'uns who will use that narrative as a defence when in fact they were problematic and caused the escalation.
It's not a simple "black people require more heavy handed policing ergo it's the black people causing the problem". It'd be like saying in Nazi Germany "the Jews are more likely to resist arrest and require heavy handed policing. So the Jews' are the problem"
Your point rests on the presumption that these are both just about the colour of the object and the individual being insulted. My entire point was that that is not the case.
“Until we have equal rules, there will be racism one way or another” I’m not sure what your intention is here but it comes across a bit like your main worry about racism is whether there are a very clear set of rules to stop white people feeling offended.
Buffalo is to do with build, size and strength as the snowflake is about mindset though, right?
As I have said, you can make anything racist if you want. It's interesting to see people shit themselves when I say Gammon or Snowflake is racist but then not allow the same thing to be said when you change things around a bit.
Just detracts from and dilutes actual racism.
Brighton is unlike anywhere else in the UK, it’s a fantastic city that should be a model for others to follow.Spent the last 3-4 days in Brighton, first time I’ve had more than a passing visit in years. While the city has its issues with homelessness and drugs, the atmosphere where people can be comfortable being themselves is a breath of fresh air. As CC4L said it does turn you into being a bit of a hippy but as places go in this country it’s a model for how to break some of the divides you can see on here.
Amazing place. Really makes a difference how people can just completely be themselves and feel comfortable.Spent the last 3-4 days in Brighton, first time I’ve had more than a passing visit in years. While the city has its issues with homelessness and drugs, the atmosphere where people can be comfortable being themselves is a breath of fresh air. As CC4L said it does turn you into being a bit of a hippy but as places go in this country it’s a model for how to break some of the divides you can see on here.
I wonder if describing anyone as a water buffalo in terms of being racist was ever an issue pre George Floyd .Again, it is all about perception. To try and insist that there are equal measures for all races is quite frankly incorrect.
I certainly want racism eradicated, but using logic like yours is not going to do that. Neither will an organisation like BLM.
I've not said the black community are the aggressors.
If the police need to use force to arrest anyone, black or white, then clearly there's some aggression used to resist arrest.
I made a 3 line statement. Where's the reference to solely black people ?
I wonder if describing anyone as a water buffalo in terms of being racist was ever an issue pre George Floyd .
I'm guessing it wasn't.
The fact that you are even considering this angle makes you a racist in the eyes of some on this thread. How dare you even consider that any reference to your skin colour, as you see it, by (and worse still) a black person, would be considered as racist.
But then again most of them condemning you are white. They won't have it any other way.
Blah blah Idris Elba blah blah his fault blah blah blah some other random black persons fault.You cannot even remember what I said, you would just rather write on here like a 5 year old rather than going back to examine my points and debate them. It's easier just to shout racist and virtue-signal. Perhaps you should go the way of some of your counterparts on here?
Accept you cannot debate me and block me.
Best post on here in weeks.White people do have the ability to do that. This just isn’t an example of racism and to claim it as such is just distracting from racist issues. An accusation some have levelled at black people.
It’s fine to question it and have a discussion about it though. As it is about the water buffalo comment. The difference is “snowflake” is an insult commentating on the mindset of individuals and suggesting they are too easily offended. It has nothing to do with race or skin colour and has no historical connection to racism. Referring to a black person as an animal can be done to infer they are of a lower species and has a long historical precedent.
To say these are the same and imply it’s about picking and choosing offence or give better rights to some over others seems wilfully obtuse or at the least ignorant of context and history.
Best post on here in weeks.
There was a very high profile case in the US just a few years ago.I wonder if describing anyone as a water buffalo in terms of being racist was ever an issue pre George Floyd .
I'm guessing it wasn't.
What the fuck are you going on about? Black rimmed telly? It would help to equal things up if black people could go to the shop and not end up murdered by a copper. Your right to be offended is not the most important thing going on here.Yes, your point makes a lot of sense. But that is not the reality of what's going on.
Without looking to sidestep this time, lets say the insult wasn't 'snowflake', but was 'polar bear', and let's say 'water buffalo' was a 'black rimmed television' - what would the outcome be?
It would be exactly the same as above. A black person could be allowed to get offended about the television comment, and the white person would be ignored for making such a nonsense accusation.
That is not equal. Until we have equal rules, there will be racism one way or another.
What the fuck are you going on about? Black rimmed telly? It would help to equal things up if black people could go to the shop and not end up murdered by a copper. Your right to be offended is not the most important thing going on here.
He’s having a debate.What the fuck are you going on about? Black rimmed telly? It would help to equal things up if black people could go to the shop and not end up murdered by a copper. Your right to be offended is not the most important thing going on here.
What the fuck are you going on about? Black rimmed telly? It would help to equal things up if black people could go to the shop and not end up murdered by a copper. Your right to be offended is not the most important thing going on here.
He’s having a debate.
lol, perfectly put. That’s what it all boils down to, talk about wanting racism “eradicated” but then refusing to accept any other view or opinion until it aligns with his, which as we know involves praising Tommy Robinson, lying about people playing “the race card”, and when the people who actually do suffer racism speak out it’s dismissed and seen as a way to make him apologise for being white. I guess some people are just wired differently ultimately, not sure how you change that unfortunately.
Look at the thread title, your Miss World take on racism doesn't really cut it for me. I do stuff to combat racism in the real world, I haven't done anywhere near enough but I'll endeavor to do more. Writing words on a football forum is really not combating racism.No, the whole 'debate' is about racism. If all races are equal then someone should be able to get offended as much as the next person regardless of skin colour.
You can pretend to not know what I'm talking about if you like. For someone who claims to care you really have a funny way of trying to combat racism.
Fuck sake.
Yeah, i bet you've heard loads of black people called water buffalo long before George Floyd was killed. Yeah right.And as usual you’d be wrong.
How morally high are you , good Sir ?Look at the thread title, your Miss World take on racism doesn't really cut it for me. I do stuff to combat racism in the real world, I haven't done anywhere near enough but I'll endeavor to do more. Writing words on a football forum is really not combating racism.
Yeah, i bet you've heard loads of black people called water buffalo long before George Floyd was killed. Yeah right.
How morally high are you , good Sir ?
Absolutely hilarious. I thing you're a lost cause.....unfortunately.lol, perfectly put. That’s what it all boils down to, talk about wanting racism “eradicated” but then refusing to accept any other view or opinion until it aligns with his, which as we know involves praising Tommy Robinson, lying about people playing “the race card”, and when the people who actually do suffer racism speak out it’s dismissed and seen as a way to make him apologise for being white. I guess some people are just wired differently ultimately, not sure how you change that unfortunately.
Well I can't answer that because I don't know when George Floyd found out what it was .Did you know what a bugaloo was before George Floyd?
I didn't,and if you did it means something totally different now.
Things change
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