Ian1779
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We could of course get some BAME presenters on LBC rather than just the single one there is now...
Not sure about this as it further encourages echo chambers and bubbles. OK people who listen to O'Brien probably don't listen to Farage/Ferrari anyway but the issue we have with many papers/media is too much bias.
Not that I think Farage deserves a platform for many of his views which aren't based on reality but it wouldn't be amiss to replace him with another right leaning presenter, just one less extremist.
Also of course Churchill - I see also some statue of Queen Victoria has been defaced
I’ve now heard someone suggest Ghandi should be banned as Ben Kingsley wasn’t always that brown and tanned for the job. Some very poor research there and now there is someone on the radio saying we should change the rules for qualification on swimming times so a black person can represent the uk at swimming
This is not a good road to go down
Not sure about this as it further encourages echo chambers and bubbles. OK people who listen to O'Brien probably don't listen to Farage/Ferrari anyway but the issue we have with many papers/media is too much bias.
Not that I think Farage deserves a platform for many of his views which aren't based on reality but it wouldn't be amiss to replace him with another right leaning presenter, just one less extremist.
‘How do you manage to stay here‘ was the phrase. It’s a clear inference.
Actually Gandhi was racist. Brought up in the caste system and believed people with darker skin were inferior. Churchill was a great leader but was a racist and a sexist.
As for the swimming thing if true they're stupid.
Its absolutely pathetic isnt it. This is nothing about George floyd anymore. It's been hijacked now by the far left/antifa types to force their opinions on everyone else. They're not interested in racial equality,they just wanna cause mayhem and stick 2 fingers up at the establishment. They hate this country and its past. Pulling down statues around the uk? All u see is wankers like the vile privileged owen jones and the likes of racist sadiq Khan demanding removal of certain things as they dont like them. Who the fuck are these arseholes to demand this? How many black people were there at the removal of that statue at Bristol? Hardly any. It was your privately educated leftie wankers mainly. Look at those 3 that rolled it down the street. They werent blm,more like the great unwashed. This is very dangerous territory imo. Thankfully churchill has been boarded up which in this day and and age is a fucking disgrace. If certain people keep up with this by peddling there shit then we'll end up having quite a bit of trouble on the streets as the general public will only put up with so much. What started out as a legitimate cause imo has now totally lost its direction which is a shame.
Actually Gandhi was racist. Brought up in the caste system and believed people with darker skin were inferior. Churchill was a great leader but was a racist and a sexist.
As for the swimming thing if true they're stupid.
There's a fair bit to be proud of in Britain's history, however there is also a fair bit to be deeply ashamed of. Removing the bad bits & keeping the good- not too sure what the problem is really.
I assume you mean remove them from public view rather than remove them completely.
We need to keep the memories of our mistakes alive just as much so we don't make the same mistakes again.
There's never been any refusal to acknowledge anything. The info is all there if you want it - unlike a lot of countries I could mention.
The point is history is history - it should not be obliterated. You can't expect people who lived years ago to live by standards you now consider normal - they all did what they thought was right/best at the time. Slavery was a big thing right through history until 160 or so years ago, and still goes on now under various guises around the world - but, silence from BLM et al. because it would entail thought and effort.
Knocking down statues will change absolutely nothing for the people that were involved. Which version of history would you prefer?
He’s actually not well liked in many if not most parts of Ireland, especially in younger less gammon headed generations. It may well happen yet and for more reasons than you list. But you’d have to know your Irish history past straw man argument, whataboutery, fishing for likes from your racist fan boys to understand that.As ROS is in hiding isn’t De Valera a nazi sympathiser and Holocaust denier? No statues pulled yet have they in the oh so liberal Emerald Isle?
He’s actually not well liked in many if not most parts of Ireland, especially in younger less gammon headed generations. It may well happen yet and for more reasons than you list. But you’d have to know your Irish history past straw man argument, whataboutery, fishing for likes from your racist fan boys to understand that.
Because there isn't a country on earth with such a troubled relationship with its past as us.
Disagree. America massively airbrushes it's past. China completes hides theirs. I imagine a lot of less well known countries do the same.
If we do have a troubled relationship with our past it's because we do try, in some way, to recognise that not all of it is pleasant.
Other countries don't have a troubled relationship with their past because they don't acknowledge those flaws.
Yep, I couldn't be bothered getting into it as you know where it ends up.
It’s almost as if Ireland didn’t have a hung parliament in the last general election which was in itself a reflection of disdain not just for Eamonn de Valera but his legacy.Yep, I couldn't be bothered getting into it as you know where it ends up.
It’s almost as if Ireland didn’t have a hung parliament in the last general election which was in itself a reflection of disdain not just for Eamonn de Valera but his legacy.
If you watched the recent series of Great Asian Railway Journeys with Michael Portillo, you'll know how fucking shady the Dutch and French were in their colonial past (in France's case in Vietnam, quite recent past where they were still guillotining the native population who dared to stand up for themselves).
We may have been colonial, but (a) we weren't the only ones by a long chalk, and (b) we DID bring a lot of continuing wealth and prosperity to the countries we ruled.
13 year old lad kicked police in the head because he was scared of the incident in America.
Again, people need to face up to their actions.
I don't know all the statues in France and Holland, RoSNo doubt about other countries, but I'd say thats not quite the same issue as having statues celebrating slave traders who murdered thousands of children many years after the event.
Did you actually read what I posted in my initial reply to you?Are his statues being pulled down?
I don't know all the statues in France and Holland, RoS
How many Bristolians participated in that survey?
No doubt about other countries, but I'd say thats not quite the same issue as having statues celebrating slave traders who murdered thousands of children many years after the event.
We all know what he means, however I would have thought that when you actually understand that he was trying to fight against Apartheid it all becomes a bit clearer. Same as the Gerry Adams thing, he did what he did because his country was invaded & occupied. I'm not getting into debates about those individuals but its not as if either of them woke up one day and decided to become 'terrorists' for shits & giggles. I would argue that the difference between Colston & those two is really straightforward, Colston wasn't fighting for a cause or trying to right a wrong, he merely wanted to generate profit by buying & selling human beings as slaves.
But the thing with Colston is was at the time such an attitude wasn't just acceptable it was pretty much expected.
In hundreds of years time the entrepreneurs of todays may well be looked upon as despicable because they paid their workers far less than was fair and there was huge inequality. In the current climate they're seen by many as sensible and prudent business people.
Hackney. 3 people charged for assaulting police.where has this happened?
How many Bristolians participated in that survey?
To be honest the one statue it’s amazed me that nobody’s fussed over is that of Cromwell outside Parliament. Committed horrible acts in Ireland and not historically popular.
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