I think that is the nature of social media in general and arguably the same as this forum. I would imagine that 99% of those who engage on the political types threads would have a much more civilised and balanced debates in real life, and would get on well while doing so.
When you talk face to face there’s much less scope for misunderstanding and also the veil of anonymity has been removed. That said some here do seem to thrive on antagonism.
If you read this, then it all sounds reasonable:
What We Believe - Black Lives Matter
But these are aims and objectives. This is not a manifesto.
This is what one of the founders wrote in 2017, which is closer to a manifesto:
White people, here are 10 requests from a Black Lives Matter leader - LEO Weekly
And this is clearly part of a manifesto:
#DefundThePolice - Black Lives Matter
I'm fine with the first but think the second two are just mad and will not help one iota.
And some more opinions which are even more controversial:
- All this outrage from the rioters is contrived. They are joining a bandwagon and seizing an excuse to do what they wanted to do anyway.
- There is not even any evidence that the murder of George Floyd was racially motivated. It's not even clear statistically that Police murders in the States are biased towards PoC.
- BLM is a shill organisation for Marxism.
- Left Wing rioters are absolutely equivalent to Right Wing rioters. The only difference between them is the way that the press and certain trendy commentators are reporting on them.
- Left Wing rioting actually makes racism worse. It triggers a violent and opposite reaction from some people outraged by their actions. The way to make change to a society is slowly with discussion and empathy. I saw racism in the 70s and I see very little today. I'm not saying there is none, just that I don't see it within the people I know socially or at work - and many of the things that are claimed to be racist are juvenile misrepresentations of events and opinions.
- Erasing statues and TV programmes doesn't help anything - if anything it again promotes division.
- Identity politics is like apartheid: putting ethnicity into boxes works against harmony and the world in which people are judged by character rather than skin colour.
I guarantee that someone (Tony?) will claim that some of things I write here are ignorant and racist. So be it, I know my character and you do not.
Its all action and reaction. What happened yesterday was inevitable since the minute the Churchill statue was allowed to be defaced. If a certain minority of protesters last weekend had left it alone then perhaps what transpired yesterday wouldn't have been as reactive.
I think the police nationally are going to be under increasing pressure to stamp out law breaking on these demos on all sides otherwise we're sliding into more violence.
I can't stand him because of what he often says and the squealing way he says it.
I can't stand Miranda Hart because she's not funny yet seems to think she is .
I can't stand smoking in public and I can't stand rap music.
I'm not influenced by social media in saying this because I've been saying it long before the printing press was invented.
I'm sure lots of other people have been saying it for longer than social media came along.
Its called being a miserable bastard.
Yeah some of it is nonsense. Like anything there will be outliers.
These are not outliers: these are essentially the only statements from the leadership we have that tell us what they want to do (their approach) rather than what they hope to achieve. I have no issues with their goals. But their approach just sounds like Marxism, which I find deeply flawed.
I mean insomuch as the people ‘on the ground’, the majority of people won’t subscribe to that.
How old are you?
If you read this, then it all sounds reasonable:
What We Believe - Black Lives Matter
But these are aims and objectives. This is not a manifesto.
This is what one of the founders wrote in 2017, which is closer to a manifesto:
White people, here are 10 requests from a Black Lives Matter leader - LEO Weekly
And this is clearly part of a manifesto:
#DefundThePolice - Black Lives Matter
I'm fine with the first but think the second two are just mad and will not help one iota.
The UK is nowhere near as bad the USA but for some reason political discourse from the USA seems to be entering into Britain’s more and more.The FBI have been warning for ages that white supremacists have being infiltrating the police and there's a wealth of evidence that the police are racist. I linked a Washington.post article somewhere on this forum with some horrendous statistics in it.
Also anecdotal evidence I know but I've asked several times on here and no one has answered, why did police in the States allow armed white anti lock down protestors to enter government buildings, why use kid gloves when arresting white mass shooters?
Look at the central park incident where the woman threatened to call the police on the bird spottet and say he thrratened her when the footage showed he didnt.
Look at the one that has come to light this week with the black guy who was putting a black lives matter sign in his garden where white women threatened to call the police and say it wasn't his house.
The insinuation is clear, You're a black man and contact with the police could potentially be dangerous for.
I agree about the level of racism today compared to the 70s but we're talking about the UK. The States is different.
The proportions are hard to judge, I hope many involved are for the right reasons but for many others it's just another marxist grab for power. Some in this forum will be ok with that of course.I think that some will not. I don't know the proportions but I suspect the marches are made up of:
- Revolutionary Marxists and Anarchists
- Criminals and thugs.
- People who agree that black lives do matter and have no idea on the beliefs of the leadership.
Tbf I thought it was quite a good phrase myself. It's a statement nobody can argue with in isolation, unless you are a card carrying bigot!I’ve even said before the phrase ‘Black lives matter’ is a bit clumsy but people are still doing their best to misinterpret it on purpose to make a point so it doesn’t matter too much anyway.
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Tbf I thought it was quite a good phrase myself. It's a statement nobody can argue with in isolation, unless you are a card carrying bigot!
The UK is nowhere near as bad the USA but for some reason political discourse from the USA seems to be entering into Britain’s more and more.
The UK is nowhere near as bad the USA but for some reason political discourse from the USA seems to be entering into Britain’s more and more.
The UK is nowhere near as bad the USA but for some reason political discourse from the USA seems to be entering into Britain’s more and more.
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Tbf I thought it was quite a good phrase myself. It's a statement nobody can argue with in isolation, unless you are a card carrying bigot!
The UK is nowhere near as bad the USA but for some reason political discourse from the USA seems to be entering into Britain’s more and more.
You being an example of someone who retorts to antagonism and then gets personally offended when it comes back
I just said that the UK is nowhere near as bad as the USA ffs.It really isn’t this is handbags at dawn compared to the 80’s and again you try and make unfounded statements regarding the uk
There is r a statistic on Earth - there probably is on twitter land - that doesn’t show the uk as a more racially integrated society than the rest of Europe. Most European countries have far greater problems and far greater extremist political representation - this doesn’t mean that it’s utopia - it obviously is not - but most of Europe have far more issues and are more extreme in this area than the uk
Thanks for proving my point G, you only live for the wind up.
With respect a person whose been putting images of Gammon, refusing to engage in any debate (have you made any attempt to engage with Mr Trench) and sided with absurd trolls like Tony, David and Ring of Steel really has nowhere to go on that accusation
With respect a person whose been putting images of Gammon, refusing to engage in any debate (have you made any attempt to engage with Mr Trench) and sided with absurd trolls like Tony, David and Ring of Steel really has nowhere to go on that accusation
I just deleted my previous post - I thought your response was odd. I ignore Brighton so I hadn't seen what you were replying to.
With respect when I attempted to engage in one with you on the return to schools you went away and just made digs about lazy teachers. When Coventrian wrote disgusting abuse to individual posters and called the teaching unions a bunch of faggots you stuck up for him. When has Trench tried to engage with me for me to ignore him?
It really is just you I have a problem with on this site since yesterday's bannings and I'm hardly the only one who thinks so.
I should ignore him as well to be fair he’s another firebrand with zero substance
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