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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It's not creating a hashtag, it's a movement isn't it?

I mean when you have the founders endorsing the "chapters" and crediting them then it's very naive to think they are all opportunists with no links? Is it OK to say that my chapter in the EDL is nothing to do with Tommy Robinson but he does endorse it and comes to meet with us? He is calling me comrade too.

Would the exposure from celebs, premier league etc have helped BLM UK raise over a million? I think more people should have stopped to ask the questions rather than blindly jumping on the bandwagon making sure they weren't labelled a racist. Why isn't there a hashtag on the back of football shirts or the badges presenters wear?

There's no need for the politics, you are never ever going to get something that people agree on when you push politics.

BLM IS political. It's about the politics of how people are treated based on skin colour and the only way that can affected is through political means.

I agree about bringing OTHER political elements in, like Israel. It should focus on its main mantra of racial equality and leave the rest alone.

 

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[Nick]

BLM IS political. It's about the politics of how people are treated based on skin colour and the only way that can affected is through political means.

I agree about bringing OTHER political elements in, like Israel. It should focus on its main mantra of racial equality and leave the rest alone.

It's not just about that though is it? That's my point.

People then jump in and start firing money across without looking or asking questions, the premier league jump on it, celebs jump on it.

Maybe if people weren't labelled a "Gammon" or people implying they are racist for asking questions then more would have and not just blindly gone in head first.

"White Silence is violence" wasn't it? People were made to feel guilty or racist. People fed random statistics from America and set on the police to attack them.

All of the politics is bullshit and doing nothing but divide even more. It's all about having political popshots at each other rather than actually changing anything.

 

[shmmeee]

It's not just about that though is it? That's my point.

People then jump in and start firing money across without looking or asking questions, the premier league jump on it, celebs jump on it.

Maybe if people weren't labelled a "Gammon" or people implying they are racist for asking questions then more would have and not just blindly gone in head first.

"White Silence is violence" wasn't it? People were made to feel guilty or racist. People fed random statistics from America and set on the police to attack them.

All of the politics is bullshit and doing nothing but divide even more.

You’re repeatedly conflating the actions of some with the movement/slogan as a whole. You could do that with anything, I’ve given the CCFC fan example already. The BLM that the President support and the BLM Corp taking money and the BLM activists are all separate groups. Saying you agree black lives matter doesn’t mean you agree with anything anyone else who agrees with that statement says ever.

 

[Nick]

You’re repeatedly conflating the actions of some with the movement/slogan as a whole. You could do that with anything, I’ve given the CCFC fan example already. The BLM that the President support and the BLM Corp taking money and the BLM activists are all separate groups. Saying you agree black lives matter doesn’t mean you agree with anything anyone else who agrees with that statement says ever.

The CCFC fan example doesn't work though does it? It's completely different.

Amazing how people are trying to say it's all separate now, especially when the founders of BLM have endorsed the people making the statements and said they are comrades?

It's like CJ saying he didn't know Roger Ellis when he dropped a bollock.

I have said all along I agree with equality, it should be the default view with all humans. Going all in plastering it across football shirts, TV shows, the news was a bad more. It has done nothing but fuel division.

 

[shmmeee]

The CCFC fan example doesn't work though does it? It's completely different.

Amazing how people are trying to say it's all separate now, especially when the founders of BLM have endorsed the people making the statements and said they are comrades?

It's like CJ saying he didn't know Roger Ellis when he dropped a bollock.

I have said all along I agree with equality, it should be the default view with all humans. Going all in plastering it across football shirts, TV shows, the news was a bad more. It has done nothing but fuel it.

What “founders”??

You mean the first person to tweet the hashtag? So what? You’re treating it like some group, it’s not. Even the organised part is a leaderless flat structure anyone can claim but the organisation and fund raising things aren’t the entirety of the concept of black lives mattering. People are supporting the concept not a particular organisation.

And no, going on about racism doesn’t make people racist, come on man you’re better than that.

 

[Nick]

What “founders”??

You mean the first person to tweet the hashtag? So what? You’re treating it like some group, it’s not. Even the organised part is a leaderless flag structure but the organisation and fund raising things aren’t the entirety of the concept of black lives mattering.

And no, going on about racism doesn’t make people racist, come on man you’re better than that.

What do you mean "what founders"? They hardly just tweeted a hashtag. I'd say something with "chapters" is a group as well.

Are people playing dumb on purpose?

 

[shmmeee]

What do you mean "what founders"? They hardly just tweeted a hashtag. I'd say something with "chapters" is a group as well.

Are people playing dumb on purpose?

No they did just tweet a hashtag, that’s what they get credit for. Do you think everyone at all the BLM protests around the world is checking in with them for orders? Do you think most even know who they are? That’s not how social movements work.

XR has local groups, they’re still leaderless and anyone can set up and claim to be “official”. It’s even less organised than CCFC fan groups and you yourself bemoan how easy it is for anyone with a Twitter account to get a media voice as their representatives.

 

[Nick]

No they did just tweet a hashtag, that’s what they get credit for. Do you think everyone at all the BLM protests around the world is checking in with them for orders? Do you think most even know who they are? That’s not how social movements work.

XR has local groups, they’re still leaderless and anyone can set up and claim to be “official”. It’s even less organised than CCFC fan groups and you yourself bemoan how easy it is for anyone with a Twitter account to get a media voice as their representatives.

I mean the "UK Chapter" is "endorsed" by one of the founders who said they are "comrades". The founders are the ones who are all over the media as the founders, aren't they and on international TV as "the founders of Black Lives Matter". They have raised over a million off the back of the recent publicity. It literally gives you all of this information on their official website.

I have no doubt that the majority of people who have been marching just want equality which is only right, I want some bits of immigration sorting out but I'm not marching with Tommy Robinson either.

Which is why saying "its just a phrase that nobody can disagree with" is very dangerous. It will and has been manipulated.

 

[shmmeee]

I mean the "UK Chapter" is "endorsed" by one of the founders who said they are "comrades". The founders are the ones who are all over the media as the founders, aren't they and on international TV as "the founders of Black Lives Matter". They have raised over a million off the back of the recent publicity.

I have no doubt that the majority of people who have been marching just want equality which is only right, I want some bits of immigration sorting out but I'm not marching with Tommy Robinson either.

Which is why saying "its just a phrase that nobody can disagree with" is very dangerous.

But you’re making the same argument about BLM as someone saying you supporting reduced immigration is “giving support to fascists” or whatever. Tommy Robinson claims to represent white working class Britain and is presented as such. Yes these people have been very effective at leveraging their status as the originators of the hashtag, and building an infrastructure around that, but not everything in support of a phrase or concept translates to support for the originators of that phrase/concept.

 

[chiefdave]

They have raised over a million off the back of the recent publicity.

Nothing to stop anyone saying they are BLM and collecting donations.
Black Lives Matter Donations Went To Unrelated Foundation

 

[Nick]

But you’re making the same argument about BLM as someone saying you supporting reduced immigration is “giving support to fascists” or whatever. Tommy Robinson claims to represent white working class Britain and is presented as such. Yes these people have been very effective at leveraging their status as the originators of the hashtag, and building an infrastructure around that, but not everything in support of a phrase or concept translates to support for the originators of that phrase/concept.

This is my point. There is so much behind a "phrase" that how can you go all in about it when there are so many different aspects to it, so much politics etc? The Premier League and celebs went all in at the start and now look?

How much support for the UK group has been publicised by the Premier League thinking the slogan is one thing and then somebody else thinking the slogan is another thing and then people raising over a million off the back of it?

I have been asking questions about the aims, what can we do, what it stands for etc and look at some of the replies and accusations. Other people have jumped straight in, no questions asked etc.

Of course people should be fucking equal, that's a given but it's been monetised and politicised which is wrong.

 

[Nick]

Nothing to stop anyone saying they are BLM and collecting donations.
Black Lives Matter Donations Went To Unrelated Foundation

So why is everything still "Black Lives Matter"? Why not use a slogan that can mean so many things when the people who "founded it" are just trying to make money off it? Why is it being promoted as that so when people see the thing on shirts and the news and put it into Google they see the "founders"?



Hasn't anybody stopped to think?

It would be so much easier if all the cunts who wanted to make it about politics piped down and people could actually try to integrate and discuss, regardless of skin colour.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Edit. Removed cos I can't be arsed.....gonna try & not get involved.

Too late

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

So why is everything still "Black Lives Matter"? Why not use a slogan that can mean so many things when the people who "founded it" are just trying to make money off it? Why is it being promoted as that so when people see the thing on shirts and the news and put it into Google they see the "founders"?



Hasn't anybody stopped to think?

It would be so much easier if all the cunts who wanted to make it about politics piped down and people could actually try to integrate and discuss, regardless of skin colour.

Because you choose a new slogan and the chancers will jump on that one and corrupt so you need a new slogan, which gets corrupted etc etc. It's hard enough to get your cause noticed in the political arena so when a slogan gains traction you stick with it. Change it and the entire thing just dies away again.

The trouble is the thick bastards trying to jump on it to push wider agendas dont seem to realise its taking focus off this one issue and rather than get proper movement on this issue for starters and then look at others they're going to end up getting nothing as they dilute the message and spread it too thinly. Choose the battles - don't try and fight the entire war in one place at one time.

 

[Skybluefaz]

I don't get why the emphasis is not on investment in youth and social services rather than defunding the police.

 

[David O'Day]

I don't get why the emphasis is not on investment in youth and social services rather than defunding the police.

Defunding the police is a US slogan that makes sense in places like NYC where the NYPD has a budget of 6bn dollars but much less sense here as the UK police forces are being defunded by the continued squeeze of Conservative budget cuts.

 

[clint van damme]

I don't get why the emphasis is not on investment in youth and social services rather than defunding the police.

I can't understand why the emphasis is on a few blow yards talking about defunding the police rather than the actual defunding that has gone on for the last ten years.

You could almost be forgiven for thinking it was a deliberate distraction

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What does defunding the police actually mean, anyway?

Somebody has to fund a police.

 

[Skybluefaz]

I can't understand why the emphasis is on a few blow yards talking about defunding the police rather than the actual defunding that has gone on for the last ten years.

You could almost be forgiven for thinking it was a deliberate distraction

Indeed

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Well, well, well this has moved on from downing statues hasn't it ?

 

[Nick]

Sky news seem to be really trying to stir things as well.

 

[skybluetony176]

What does defunding the police actually mean, anyway?

Somebody has to fund a police.

Austerity. The Tories have been doing it for a decade now. Funnily enough the majority of people who seem to be getting angry over defunding the police seem to be the same people who think the Tories are great and can do no wrong.

 

[SBAndy]

Because you choose a new slogan and the chancers will jump on that one and corrupt so you need a new slogan, which gets corrupted etc etc. It's hard enough to get your cause noticed in the political arena so when a slogan gains traction you stick with it. Change it and the entire thing just dies away again.

The trouble is the thick bastards trying to jump on it to push wider agendas dont seem to realise its taking focus off this one issue and rather than get proper movement on this issue for starters and then look at others they're going to end up getting nothing as they dilute the message and spread it too thinly. Choose the battles - don't try and fight the entire war in one place at one time.

It is a preserve of the left (and, for the record, I’d class myself as left of centre) to try and cure all of the world’s ills in one fell swoop. With things like this, incremental change is what is needed.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It is a preserve of the left (and, for the record, I’d class myself as left of centre) to try and cure all of the world’s ills in one fell swoop. With things like this, incremental change is what is needed.

I agree. Next elelction they need to pick one or two things (along with something to appease those more to the right such as immigration or law and order) and focus on that, esp during election time. As annoying as Johnson was with constantly turning it onto "Get Brexit Done" regardless of the question it was effective.

 

[shmmeee]

It is a preserve of the left (and, for the record, I’d class myself as left of centre) to try and cure all of the world’s ills in one fell swoop. With things like this, incremental change is what is needed.

I might have bought this had we not just made the biggest economic and geopolitical move for no actual concrete reason but a belief from the right that it’ll make everything better in one fell swoop.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Apparently commentary is now racist too.

Football commentators must address racial 'bias' says PFA

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Apparently commentary is now racist too.

Football commentators must address racial 'bias' says PFA

You just don’t seem to believe there is any substance to any of this, it’s as if it’s all just made up.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Austerity. The Tories have been doing it for a decade now. Funnily enough the majority of people who seem to be getting angry over defunding the police seem to be the same people who think the Tories are great and can do no wrong.

I don’t understand the ‘defund the police’ slogan, but wasn’t it pointed out recently that there were 10,000 less coppers on the streets now than a few years back, which was helping drive up all the stabbings & crime? Seems a bit stupid to then accuse other people of trying to defund them, whatever that actually means.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Apparently commentary is now racist too.

Football commentators must address racial 'bias' says PFA

That looks a genuinely interesting study, which I'm going to read more on.

 

[ajsccfc]

"Meanwhile, those with darker skin tones were "significantly" more likely to be "reduced to their physical characteristics or athletic ability", such as their pace and power."

Just reading that alone, there's definitely something to it

 

[Malaka]

I don't get why the emphasis is not on investment in youth and social services rather than defunding the police.

Because no matter how much you invest in social services, kids go around doing and saying what they want without consequence. Many parents of kids from deprived areas really do not care, defend their kids no matter what they do and are appalling role models. Trust me, I have been on the front line for over 30 years.

 

[shmmeee]

Because no matter how much you invest in social services, kids go around doing and saying what they want without consequence. Many parents of kids form deprived areas really do not care, defend their kids no matter what they do and are appalling role models. Trust me, I have been on the front line for over 30 years.

It’s such a tough one, you can see the poverty cascading down generations without valuing education. I always liked the idea of temporary (at first) boarding schools like boot camps where kids could be taken away for weeks or months at a time if they looked in danger of falling off the proper school system. Somewhere with extra powers, PRUs are basically mini prisons and do nothing to help kids in my experience. Also social services is massively overrun and can only deal with the worst of the worst, more support needs to be in place earlier on for families and tougher action taken against bad parents.

 

[TomRad85]

"Meanwhile, those with darker skin tones were "significantly" more likely to be "reduced to their physical characteristics or athletic ability", such as their pace and power."

Just reading that alone, there's definitely something to it

Commentators better be careful next time a black player makes a strong, quick run down the wing...

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[Deleted member 5849]

Commentators better be careful next time a black player makes a strong, quick run down the wing...

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As you know, it doesn't stop such comments.

The racist stereotype however is that the black man is physical - animalised... savage. In contrast the white man has intellect, is civilised, and more human.

If that is mirrored (and note, the study is not just English matches) in football commentary, then that is very interesting.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

As you know, it doesn't stop such comments.

The racist stereotype however is that the black man is physical - animalised... savage. In contrast the white man has intellect, is civilised, and more human.

If that is mirrored (and note, the study is not just English matches) in football commentary, then that is very interesting.

Time for another march then. This time take down statues of any smarty pants , white , physically feeble, intellectuals, including women.
A great reason to bring BLM back to the fore. After all , it seems to have lost its way, certainly on here, in the last few days.