Gillingham Stabbing (8 Viewers)
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Flying Fokker
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Wrong forum…but a shocking event.
Ccfcisparks
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I see what youre doing here Nick. Posting it on this side of the forum so Tony has to post in the football part.
San Francisco
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Horrifying stuff. BBC playing the mental health card even though the guy was looking for a soldier to attack.
Nick
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Hadn't seen that. It's fucking madness
clint van damme
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Fucks sake. The world is going mad.
skybluetony176
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It’s the police officer in charge that’s said it could be mental health related, the BBC have just reported it.
Sky Blue Pete
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80 stabs allegedly
Nick
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I'm sure people will defend the poor bloke and his "mental health issues".
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It's terrorism, nothing else.
Unfortunately there's a growing number of people living in the UK that hate our culture, and attacks like this are one of the consequences. It's Lee Rigby all over again and the silence, although unsurprising, says it all.
Unfortunately there's a growing number of people living in the UK that hate our culture, and attacks like this are one of the consequences. It's Lee Rigby all over again and the silence, although unsurprising, says it all.
Sky Blue Pete
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Do you know that esb? Have you seen some information
rob9872
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Ffs Pete, I know you like to come across as the voice of reason on these kind of threads, but take your head of your arse and have an opinion. I also believe it's terror related, if you don't then at least have the conviction to say why.
It's because people don't feel empowered to make such observations that we end up with bigger divides and unhealthy racist undertones pushed underground and escalating.
It's because people don't feel empowered to make such observations that we end up with bigger divides and unhealthy racist undertones pushed underground and escalating.
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shmmeee
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Doesn’t seem like Rigby at all tbh, other than a soldier being stabbed. There they tried to behead him and then told everyone why they were doing it. This guy stabs the guy, licks the blood off the blade and fucks off. Isn’t the whole point of terrorism that you tell people why you’re doing it? Not so much as an “allahu akbar” here it seems.
Otis
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I am waiting for more info, because the police have said it's NOT terror related.
It's easy for us on here to say it's terror related, but the police have more information and knowledge of what happened don't they.
Hopefully there will be more clarification in the days to come.
We can't go around, in my humble opinion, saying the police say it's not terror related, but they are wrong and we on a football forum know better and know it IS terror related.
Common sense really.
It's an awful incident. I can't say it's terrorism based on what little information we have. Maybe it was a personal attack on someone the attacker knows
Very little come out about it so far isn't there.
It's very sad and shocking
Grendel
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I am waiting for more info, because the police have said it's NOT terror related.
It's easy for us on here to say it's terror related, but the police have more information and knowledge of what happened don't they.
Hopefully there will be more clarification in the days to come.
We can't go around, in my humble opinion, saying the police say it's not terror related, but they are wrong and we on a football forum know better and know it IS terror related.
Common sense really.
It's an awful incident. I can't say it's terrorism based on what little information we have. Maybe it was a personal attack on someone the attacker knows
Very little come out about it so far isn't there.
It's very sad and shocking
Counter terrorism police are involved in the investigation?
Kent soldier stabbing: Counter-terror police helping investigation into attack on lieutenant colonel
The victim of a stabbing outside an Army barracks is a lieutenant colonel, it has emerged, as counter-terror police were confirmed to be supporting the investigation.
www.telegraph.co.uk
Diogenes
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The problem is that the media and/or police often use "mental health issues" to take the focus off terror attacks as they don't want to inflame tensions.
So whenever anything like this happens many automatically conclude that it is terror related and that we are being lied to.
So whenever anything like this happens many automatically conclude that it is terror related and that we are being lied to.
covcity4life
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It's ironic that minorities say mental health card works the other way when there is a white shooter or anything like that. But when coloured it must be terrorism and that alone.
In any case this is fucked up regardless of the motive
In any case this is fucked up regardless of the motive
Nick
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If it's a white shooter commiting an act of terror then it's exactly the same. ie the one in NZ who went on a rampage.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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They always are in this type of situation, as they have primacy until such time as they decide it is NOT terrorism, when they hand it back to local plod.Counter terrorism police are involved in the investigation?
Kent soldier stabbing: Counter-terror police helping investigation into attack on lieutenant colonel
The victim of a stabbing outside an Army barracks is a lieutenant colonel, it has emerged, as counter-terror police were confirmed to be supporting the investigation.
Similar to deaths in the workplace (etc.), where the police will first establish whether there is any criminal basis, and if there isn't, they hand it to the HSE to investigate.
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Put beautifully and succinctly.
I fear I'll poke the bear...
The difference is how you have that opinion. Now, I distinctly remember a way back putting up a long and rambling post in response to you saying how I didn't remotely think you racist, but a post you'd made could certainly be construed as racist. You actually took that remarkably well, and I mention it to point out that I still think the same that you're not racist, because of your track record. Not that it really matters to you or that you care
but that's that. There's much (nearly all!) we disagree on, but I can say reasonably safely that I don't think you racist.There are a certain people on here however that rush to any drama with almost gleeful abandon, a blood lust and they're desperate for it to be related to certain groups to confirm their prejudices about such groups as a whole. Then you'll have events such as this used as a platform to share some pretty unpleasant wider beliefs.
I mean, that's why I'd wait because in the past you wouldn't find out until long after anyway - by which time people can determine the cause... but the modern world means that if I wait I get called out for not responding (the hypocrisy!) and if I comment I'm a cuck who history will remember (I mean whatever the fuck that means - is it an oblique threat or some kind of promise to write me into a book?).
I mean, I'd rather wait to know anyway, but arguing these things is a bit pointless isn't it that it detracts from the fact that some bastard has committed the act of a bastard, and should be condemned and punished for that rather than it being used to support a spot of casual racism with amateur language lifted off the back of the latest insults for righties book.
Ashdown actually has it right in his quote above, and there's very little else to be said!
Grendel
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Put beautifully and succinctly.
I fear I'll poke the bear...
The difference is how you have that opinion. Now, I distinctly remember a way back putting up a long and rambling post in response to you saying how I didn't remotely think you racist, but a post you'd made could certainly be construed as racist. You actually took that remarkably well, and I mention it to point out that I still think the same that you're not racist, because of your track record. Not that it really matters to you or that you care
There are a certain people on here however that rush to any drama with almost gleeful abandon, a blood lust and they're desperate for it to be related to certain groups to confirm their prejudices about such groups as a whole. Then you'll have events such as this used as a platform to share some pretty unpleasant wider beliefs.
I mean, that's why I'd wait because in the past you wouldn't find out until long after anyway - by which time people can determine the cause... but the modern world means that if I wait I get called out for not responding (the hypocrisy!) and if I comment I'm a cuck who history will remember (I mean whatever the fuck that means - is it an oblique threat or some kind of promise to write me into a book?).
I mean, I'd rather wait to know anyway, but arguing these things is a bit pointless isn't it that it detracts from the fact that some bastard has committed the act of a bastard, and should be condemned and punished for that rather than it being used to support a spot of casual racism with amateur language lifted off the back of the latest insults for righties book.
Ashdown actually has it right in his quote above, and there's very little else to be said!
Cuck
chiefdave
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My ex worked with young people who had severe mental health issues and were considered at risk of performing violent acts without appropriate treatment. It was a specialist unit that was hugely successful to the point that they had officials from other countries visiting to see what they were doing.
When the Cameron / Clegg government did their 'not a top down reorganisation' of the NHS funding for mental health services was decimated. Her team was rolled in with the rest of the service rather than being a specialist thing. They were told if anyone raised concerns about the impact of this publicly they'd be sacked.
The wait times went through the roof, and this was an area where immediate treatment was essential, the level of service dropped as they no longer had the funding to provide the one to one treatment required. The people who were specialists in their field were head hunted away, the majority to services overseas.
Then when the inevitable happened, and it was only a matter of months after the cuts before someone on the waiting list attempted to murder someone, the investigation placed the blame on the failings on the mental health service.
rob9872
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Largely agree and the same posters (like some politicians tbf) use either side of any argument to promote their own agenda of hate or divide.Put beautifully and succinctly.
I fear I'll poke the bear...
The difference is how you have that opinion. Now, I distinctly remember a way back putting up a long and rambling post in response to you saying how I didn't remotely think you racist, but a post you'd made could certainly be construed as racist. You actually took that remarkably well, and I mention it to point out that I still think the same that you're not racist, because of your track record. Not that it really matters to you or that you care
There are a certain people on here however that rush to any drama with almost gleeful abandon, a blood lust and they're desperate for it to be related to certain groups to confirm their prejudices about such groups as a whole. Then you'll have events such as this used as a platform to share some pretty unpleasant wider beliefs.
I mean, that's why I'd wait because in the past you wouldn't find out until long after anyway - by which time people can determine the cause... but the modern world means that if I wait I get called out for not responding (the hypocrisy!) and if I comment I'm a cuck who history will remember (I mean whatever the fuck that means - is it an oblique threat or some kind of promise to write me into a book?).
I mean, I'd rather wait to know anyway, but arguing these things is a bit pointless isn't it that it detracts from the fact that some bastard has committed the act of a bastard, and should be condemned and punished for that rather than it being used to support a spot of casual racism with amateur language lifted off the back of the latest insults for righties book.
Ashdown actually has it right in his quote above, and there's very little else to be said!
Where we differ is that I see these always as acts if terror, whether it's racially or religiously motivated (and not just one way) these are carefully planned attacks. This one wasn't random and indeed 80 stabs.
To label it mental health is imo, detracting from genuine mental health issues. Are these perpetrators unhinged? Well yes of course they are to carry out the atrocities, but it's fueled by hatred, radicalisation and belief (and the bloody Internet!). It's an act of terror imo everytime and yet the authorities are so scared to label it as such, that they use the mental health line and all that does is make bad situation worse.
Sky Blue Pete
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I like evidence and fact I know we’ve rejected expertise in this post truth world
Terror related does not mean Islamist or inflicting terror it’s a particular term used for a particular reason
it’s bloody awful what has happened and clearly the attack is aimed at a member of the armed services and it’s not a random attack
covcity4life
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But we don't know if he's Muslim yet do we? I don't really watch news much if I can help it so may have missed something but you can't just assume it's terrorism that's all I'm saying.
shmmeee
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Arent all violent crimes though a mix of hatred and radicalisation and mental health?
I don’t get this distinction TBH. No one sane stabs someone at random. Radical groups attract mentally ill people be it ISIS, or the Green Party. You don’t get many nutters shouting about centrism in the streets lol.
I don’t understand how actually naming the root cause debases people with MH issues (and I am one), certainly no more than saying its Muslims debases billions of people.
Nick
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He didn't mention anything about muslim, did he?
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tbf I'd rather the authorities waited until labelling any way. Works both ways doesn't it - if they get it wrong then it causes negative effects whichever way they get it wrong. Their job's to investigate, and I'd rather they did that. I mean, I can think of certain circumstances (based on what I've read) where it *could* be mental health. But what good does speculating do? All that does is then put me into the first sentence you've written doesn't it and for what? It's also in danger of insulting the soldier needlessly isn't it (I typed out a possible motive and it looked rather bad, so now deleted before I posted!), and that's not right either.
shmmeee
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Yeah could be the other terrorist threat at the moment, ummm….
rob9872
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He doesn't have to be Muslim for it to be terrorism! Had you down as better than that tbh.
covcity4life
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Behave you woke snowflake gammon prick
Bugsy
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Is this Ur cousin talking again lol
chiefdave
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They just rant in the politics thread