Good intentions - poorly executed.... (2 Viewers)

shepardo01 · Nov 8, 2024

So, quite a well connected conversation I had today was quite interesting - and also as a huge fan, left me a little bit deflated.

The title refers to the new structures on the footballing side of the club.

In line with the vastly improved training facilities, the new structure of performance director and multiple coaches seemed (seems) like a decent idea and has the potential to take us to the next level - and seems to be a modern way forward.....

However, what I have heard today is why I have added the second part of the title.

Apparently;
Coaching/tactical nous is levels below what was previously in place. To the point where MR was even having to chip in with training ground coaching. He is not a coach.
Performance director is trying to "run the show".
Lead coach is their appointment - not MRs and is the biggest yes man going. Do not rule out him getting the Head Coach role. (Speculation from conversation - not info like other bits)
There are too many voices giving lower level of instruction.
AV departure was due to some new players throwing him under the bus and his poor relationship with the performance director.
He was the main man coaching wise.

So on paper, what could have been a positive move forwards has been a bit of a car crash with average coaches being employed by what sounds like a performance director who wants their own people in alongside long standing coaches and now the manager being sacrificed to facilitate this.

There is nobody already lined up to come in.

alexccfc99 · Nov 8, 2024

For me I’d hope any new manager is given the chance to bring their own people in

shepardo01 · Nov 8, 2024

alexccfc99 said:
For me I’d hope any new manager is given the chance to bring their own people in

Doesn't sound like they'll be given the chance.

Ccfcisparks · Nov 8, 2024

Dr Claire Marie Roberts OUT

Pusb1 · Nov 8, 2024

they won’t pay off the coaching staff’s salaries. Therefore they’ll need to stay

Darth Robins · Nov 8, 2024

I've no doubt the usual suspects will dismiss all of this because Robins never said any of it in a press conference.

alexccfc99 · Nov 8, 2024

shepardo01 said:
Doesn't sound like they'll be given the chance.

Well then that narrows down your options and does give legs to someone like Sheehan or Bloomfield if true

Would rule Lampard out as he takes Jody Morris and Joe Edwards everywhere with him

clint van damme · Nov 8, 2024

shepardo01 said:
So, quite a well connected conversation I had today was quite interesting - and also as a huge fan, left me a little bit deflated.

The title refers to the new structures on the footballing side of the club.

In line with the vastly improved training facilities, the new structure of performance director and multiple coaches seemed (seems) like a decent idea and has the potential to take us to the next level - and seems to be a modern way forward.....

However, what I have heard today is why I have added the second part of the title.

Apparently;
Coaching/tactical nous is levels below what was previously in place. To the point where MR was even having to chip in with training ground coaching. He is not a coach.
Performance director is trying to "run the show".
Lead coach is their appointment - not MRs and is the biggest yes man going. Do not rule out him getting the Head Coach role. (Speculation from conversation - not info like other bits)
There are too many voices giving lower level of instruction.
AV departure was due to some new players throwing him under the bus and his poor relationship with the performance director.
He was the main man coaching wise.

So on paper, what could have been a positive move forwards has been a bit of a car crash with average coaches being employed by what sounds like a performance director who wants their own people in alongside long standing coaches and now the manager being sacrificed to facilitate this.

There is nobody already lined up to come in.

Youre wrong mate.
Nicks got a quote from the Telegraph to prove it.
And stop having a go at the performance director , bloody sexist!!

Great_Expectations · Nov 8, 2024

If the above is true (which there’s no reason to doubt) it’s a poisoned chalice for whoever gets the role.

Good times ahead.

eastwoodsdustman · Nov 8, 2024

It does fit with Robins not being happy for the last 2 months.

ProfessorbyGrace · Nov 8, 2024

shepardo01 said:
So, quite a well connected conversation I had today was quite interesting - and also as a huge fan, left me a little bit deflated.

The title refers to the new structures on the footballing side of the club.

In line with the vastly improved training facilities, the new structure of performance director and multiple coaches seemed (seems) like a decent idea and has the potential to take us to the next level - and seems to be a modern way forward.....

However, what I have heard today is why I have added the second part of the title.

Apparently;
Coaching/tactical nous is levels below what was previously in place. To the point where MR was even having to chip in with training ground coaching. He is not a coach.
Performance director is trying to "run the show".
Lead coach is their appointment - not MRs and is the biggest yes man going. Do not rule out him getting the Head Coach role. (Speculation from conversation - not info like other bits)
There are too many voices giving lower level of instruction.
AV departure was due to some new players throwing him under the bus and his poor relationship with the performance director.
He was the main man coaching wise.

So on paper, what could have been a positive move forwards has been a bit of a car crash with average coaches being employed by what sounds like a performance director who wants their own people in alongside long standing coaches and now the manager being sacrificed to facilitate this.

There is nobody already lined up to come in.

Thanks for sharing, mate.

As for the performance director, I’m sure (as a standard policy) will have to undergo a performance review. That would make interesting viewing.

As for Mr Carr, I’ve only seen bits and pieces of him to gauge his character, but the official pre-match interview with him and Bidwell was quite revealing.

robbiethemole · Nov 8, 2024

shepardo01 said:
So, quite a well connected conversation I had today was quite interesting - and also as a huge fan, left me a little bit deflated.

The title refers to the new structures on the footballing side of the club.

In line with the vastly improved training facilities, the new structure of performance director and multiple coaches seemed (seems) like a decent idea and has the potential to take us to the next level - and seems to be a modern way forward.....

However, what I have heard today is why I have added the second part of the title.

Apparently;
Coaching/tactical nous is levels below what was previously in place. To the point where MR was even having to chip in with training ground coaching. He is not a coach.
Performance director is trying to "run the show".
Lead coach is their appointment - not MRs and is the biggest yes man going. Do not rule out him getting the Head Coach role. (Speculation from conversation - not info like other bits)
There are too many voices giving lower level of instruction.
AV departure was due to some new players throwing him under the bus and his poor relationship with the performance director.
He was the main man coaching wise.

So on paper, what could have been a positive move forwards has been a bit of a car crash with average coaches being employed by what sounds like a performance director who wants their own people in alongside long standing coaches and now the manager being sacrificed to facilitate this.

There is nobody already lined up to come in.

so we were right about the ipad wankers all along then???

usskyblue · Nov 8, 2024

It was the Performance Director that called Chris Ramsey and told him that DK said the timing wasn’t right for an Assistant Manager. That was on October 9th. It sounded weird that he’d be called in to meet with MR, leave thinking all he had to do was agree on a package.. only to get that call.

ProfessorbyGrace · Nov 8, 2024

robbiethemole said:
so we were right about the ipad wankers all along then???

Seems that way, if the source is relaying 100% accurate info. No reason to doubt it, really, as overall it seems very plausible.

shepardo01 · Nov 8, 2024

clint van damme said:
Youre wrong mate.
Nicks got a quote from the Telegraph to prove it.
And stop having a go at the performance director tired, bloody sexist!!

I'm definitely not a sexist and tried to remove any pointing towards that by purely using title and they/theirs etc.
Robins isn't going to come out and say they aren't his appointments are they.

Just passing on what I was told in a conversation today. Source is pretty damn good too.

Saddlebrains · Nov 8, 2024

shepardo01 said:
So, quite a well connected conversation I had today was quite interesting - and also as a huge fan, left me a little bit deflated.

The title refers to the new structures on the footballing side of the club.

In line with the vastly improved training facilities, the new structure of performance director and multiple coaches seemed (seems) like a decent idea and has the potential to take us to the next level - and seems to be a modern way forward.....

However, what I have heard today is why I have added the second part of the title.

Apparently;
Coaching/tactical nous is levels below what was previously in place. To the point where MR was even having to chip in with training ground coaching. He is not a coach.
Performance director is trying to "run the show".
Lead coach is their appointment - not MRs and is the biggest yes man going. Do not rule out him getting the Head Coach role. (Speculation from conversation - not info like other bits)
There are too many voices giving lower level of instruction.
AV departure was due to some new players throwing him under the bus and his poor relationship with the performance director.
He was the main man coaching wise.

So on paper, what could have been a positive move forwards has been a bit of a car crash with average coaches being employed by what sounds like a performance director who wants their own people in alongside long standing coaches and now the manager being sacrificed to facilitate this.

There is nobody already lined up to come in.

Dead on

clint van damme · Nov 8, 2024

Great_Expectations said:
If the above is true (which there’s no reason to doubt) it’s a poisoned chalice for whoever gets the role.

Good times ahead.

It's clearly true.
You just have to join the dots of everything that's gone on in the last year.
Some of us have been saying it but getting shot down. But it's so blindingly obvious.

Grendel · Nov 8, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
Dr Claire Marie Roberts OUT

Or get her in the kitchen where she belongs

clint van damme · Nov 8, 2024

shepardo01 said:
I'm definitely not a sexist and tried to remove any pointing towards that by purely using title and they/theirs etc.
Robins isn't going to come out and say they aren't his appointments are they.

Just passing on what I was told in a conversation today. Source is pretty damn good too.

I know mate, was just been sarcastic. It's what gets levelled at anyone who questions or criticises her.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Nov 8, 2024

If that’s the case - it’s exactly as thought. robins has been managed out. I’d expect a new appointment in the mould they want to get an assistant manager, and is likely to get more things his way.

Ring Of Steel · Nov 8, 2024

clint van damme said:
It's clearly true.
You just have to join the dots of everything that's gone on in the last year.
Some of us have been saying it but getting shot down. But it's so blindingly obvious.

it’s still baffling how dense the Robins Out mob were, that they thought it was just the case that his “times up”

robbiethemole · Nov 8, 2024

constructive dismissal?? tribunal time for King to face up to.
How can these fuckers have screwed up so badly, so quickly, 8 years of work and progress gone out of the window in 2 fucking days.
I'm fuming at this shitshow

Deity · Nov 8, 2024

I can believe a lot of that except there not being a head coach lined up …..

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Nov 8, 2024

Deity said:
I can believe a lot of that except there not being a head coach lined up …..

There won’t be one lined up - but they’ll have a shortlist that was prepared weeks ago

Deity · Nov 8, 2024

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
There won’t be one lined up - but they’ll have a shortlist that was prepared weeks ago

My best guess is that who ever is on that short list will have been sounded out already, probably via their agent.

shepardo01 · Nov 8, 2024

Who would want to follow MR, especially after this backlash and with the possibility of not being able to bring in their own staff.
Stinks of a Bloomfield type appointment.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Nov 8, 2024

shepardo01 said:
Who would want to follow MR, especially after this backlash and with the possibility of not being able to bring in their own staff.
Stinks of a Bloomfield type appointment.

There will be an assistant. If what you’ve said is true king decided a while back he wanted Robins gone.

its a shame Robins couldn’t adapt. If he’s not a coach as you’ve then his role was untenable, given his game management isn’t the best

clint van damme · Nov 8, 2024

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
There will be an assistant. If what you’ve said is true king decided a while back he wanted Robins gone.

its a shame Robins couldn’t adapt. If he’s not a coach as you’ve then his role was untenable, given his game management isn’t the best

Couldn't adapt?! Christ, have you read his post?

If its correct, and I have no reason to believe it isn't then he was landed with a team of sub standard coaches after his most experience coach was removed.

How are you supposed to adapt to that.

ccfcchris · Nov 8, 2024

shepardo01 said:
So, quite a well connected conversation I had today was quite interesting - and also as a huge fan, left me a little bit deflated.

The title refers to the new structures on the footballing side of the club.

In line with the vastly improved training facilities, the new structure of performance director and multiple coaches seemed (seems) like a decent idea and has the potential to take us to the next level - and seems to be a modern way forward.....

However, what I have heard today is why I have added the second part of the title.

Apparently;
Coaching/tactical nous is levels below what was previously in place. To the point where MR was even having to chip in with training ground coaching. He is not a coach.
Performance director is trying to "run the show".
Lead coach is their appointment - not MRs and is the biggest yes man going. Do not rule out him getting the Head Coach role. (Speculation from conversation - not info like other bits)
There are too many voices giving lower level of instruction.
AV departure was due to some new players throwing him under the bus and his poor relationship with the performance director.
He was the main man coaching wise.

So on paper, what could have been a positive move forwards has been a bit of a car crash with average coaches being employed by what sounds like a performance director who wants their own people in alongside long standing coaches and now the manager being sacrificed to facilitate this.

There is nobody already lined up to come in.

If all this is true and I'm not saying it isn't God help us. We're in for a very bleak future.
I didn't think I could feel any emptier after MR's sacking but I am.

Johhny Blue · Nov 8, 2024

ProfessorbyGrace said:
Thanks for sharing, mate.

As for the performance director, I’m sure (as a standard policy) will have to undergo a performance review. That would make interesting viewing.

As for Mr Carr, I’ve only seen bits and pieces of him to gauge his character, but the official pre-match interview with him and Bidwell was quite revealing.

What did it reveal? I heard “blah blah blah”

Chris1987 · Nov 8, 2024

If this is true then the club are in deep shit.

fatso · Nov 8, 2024

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
There won’t be one lined up - but they’ll have a shortlist that was prepared weeks ago

You'd have to be fucking mental to come here and work within King's current set up.

If a new manager/head coach doesn't bring his own assistant and coaching staff he's not going to succeed.

We need a strong character that can tell King to keep his fucking nose out of the playing side of things and to get rid of all the fucking box tickers.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Nov 8, 2024

clint van damme said:
Couldn't adapt?! Christ, have you read his post?

If its correct, and I have no reason to believe it isn't then he was landed with a team of sub standard coaches after his most experience coach was removed.

How are you supposed to adapt to that.

The role is changing to head coach. The job is to manage the coaches, the guy said “Robins isn’t a coach” that would suggest the coaches didn’t have direction.

you’re correct - the deck has been loaded against him if it’s true. It’s been said on here Robins agreed with the Vivaesh removal, and he was in on the recruitment of these coaches.

Look I’m gonna clarify here, I’ve complained about how I felt robins was lacking, but I’ve never openly wanted him sacked. In fact I thought he’d turned it around in all honesty (despite not thinking he could)

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Nov 8, 2024

fatso said:
You'd have to be fucking mental to come here and work within King's current set up.

If a new manager/head coach doesn't bring his own assistant and coaching staff he's not going to succeed.

We need a strong character that can tell King to keep his fucking nose out of the playing side of things and to get rid of all the fucking box tickers.

We were looking for an assistant manager not long ago, the new man will bring in an assistant.

we need someone who’s tactically astute.

Deity · Nov 8, 2024

shepardo01 said:
Who would want to follow MR, especially after this backlash and with the possibility of not being able to bring in their own staff.
Stinks of a Bloomfield type appointment.

You are joking right?

They will be forming a long queue

really well invested squad

27,000 fans for home matches

brand new training facilities

ambitious owner

Any manager worth there salt will fancy their ability to harness all that potential ….

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