dongonzalos
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No just means the ability to have a balanced view like Vicky has shown
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No just means the ability to have a balanced view like Vicky has shown
Sky_Blue_Vickie
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Should I be taking offence at this
dongonzalos
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No, don't worry Vicky it was aimed at me not you.
Say something positive about AT then it will be your turn.
Astute
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It is about time you let it go.
Do you know the biggest difference between AT and MR so far? McGoldrick.
He scores goals when he wants. He scores most games. His presence keeps opponents players back. We drew our 1st 3 games whilst we missed plenty of chances. How would we have done if we had McG? If we would have won 1 or 2 of them games Shaw wouldn't have had the chance to feck up the start of our season. No drop in confidence. We could even be top of the table.
It is so easy to twist anything around. When are you going to stop and move forward Grendel? Do you still have gas lights in your house? Is your toilet still a bucket in a shed?
MR is now manager. He will get my full backing until I know for sure he is at fault for us being shite at any time. We already have a few idiots that think he is shite. This will keep growing until we get near the top of the table. A lot of people can't see past the end of their nose as to what is at fault with their club. How long will it be before lots join in. How long was it before anyone here joined in about our previous managers?
Some will say all of our managers have been shite in the last 12 years or so. Some of us kbow differently.
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covcity4life
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if you truly believe that i despair at your footy knowledge.
Grendel
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No of course not. It's just Mrs Thorn. Apologies.
Grendel
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I also write with a quill pen - difficult on a computer.
dongonzalos
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I take it there is no difference when it comes judging AT, this season.
We should just look at the results alone last season and the win ratio you are obsessed with. Add that to the one win in the cup and three draws and sack him.
What happens apart from games won does not feature.
Is that a balanced argument?
BTW, you say it is others who will not let it go.
Please answer what was the op about.
When was reference to AT first made and by whom.
Maybe you should listen to some of astutes points
We should just look at the results alone last season and the win ratio you are obsessed with. Add that to the one win in the cup and three draws and sack him.
What happens apart from games won does not feature.
Is that a balanced argument?
BTW, you say it is others who will not let it go.
Please answer what was the op about.
When was reference to AT first made and by whom.
Maybe you should listen to some of astutes points
Otis
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MR has changed the mentality at the club. Discipline, organisation, belief and better tactics. He takes no prisoners and says it as it is. He doesn't pretend we'll hit the ground running or have the top goal scorer in the league or that all the signings are good players.
He has come out and said lots of things are wrong, there's loads of work to do and he needs to change the mentality.
Massive difference to AT I would have said.
He has come out and said lots of things are wrong, there's loads of work to do and he needs to change the mentality.
Massive difference to AT I would have said.
dongonzalos
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I need to make it clear as Grendel keeps clouding the issue.
I think MR is a good manager.
I think this was the season when we really finally could judge AT, after 9 signings, screw that up, argument over.
Most rational people said give him ten games to decide, personally I felt longer due to all the new signings.
Three matches is never enough time to draw that conclusion, especially a draw away in the 1st game, a draw at home to the favourites. Then a shocking 45 minutes. I would understand 3 heavy defeats.
That decision and the circus that followed has derailed our season. Proven by the following 5 defeats.
MR is a good manager. I still think we can make the play offs. I think it is a hard task due to the 5 defeats. Not like some say because we have the worse squad ever, that should be relegated.
I still think we have a very good squad.
I do like astute think DMC contribution is big. I believe he had been identified by AT before he was sacked. I think it was ridiculed on here as another AT option with a shit scoring record. I don't hear anyone, who says AT's signings are shit considering this.
Brown, Ball are not my cup of tea from the signings.
Yes Malaga is now Nuneaton, however quite a few on here were dissapointed when he was suddenly no longer in the team.
I think MR is a good manager.
I think this was the season when we really finally could judge AT, after 9 signings, screw that up, argument over.
Most rational people said give him ten games to decide, personally I felt longer due to all the new signings.
Three matches is never enough time to draw that conclusion, especially a draw away in the 1st game, a draw at home to the favourites. Then a shocking 45 minutes. I would understand 3 heavy defeats.
That decision and the circus that followed has derailed our season. Proven by the following 5 defeats.
MR is a good manager. I still think we can make the play offs. I think it is a hard task due to the 5 defeats. Not like some say because we have the worse squad ever, that should be relegated.
I still think we have a very good squad.
I do like astute think DMC contribution is big. I believe he had been identified by AT before he was sacked. I think it was ridiculed on here as another AT option with a shit scoring record. I don't hear anyone, who says AT's signings are shit considering this.
Brown, Ball are not my cup of tea from the signings.
Yes Malaga is now Nuneaton, however quite a few on here were dissapointed when he was suddenly no longer in the team.
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covcity4life
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dont back track
i can agree that 3 games may have been rash sacking but do not sit there and say mcg is only difference between him and robins
i can agree that 3 games may have been rash sacking but do not sit there and say mcg is only difference between him and robins
dongonzalos
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Back track? Please explain.
Grendel
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How was Mauritius by the way?
stupot07
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There is a big difference between Juke and McGoldrixks contribution. Juke left having scored 9 in 25 in the league which equates to 17 over a season.
McGoldrick has scored 8 league goals in 9 games, which over a 46 game season would be 41.
Things are improving however no one you can't deny that having a striker scoring nearly a goal per game isn't a massive factor in recent results.
McGoldrick has scored 8 league goals in 9 games, which over a 46 game season would be 41.
Things are improving however no one you can't deny that having a striker scoring nearly a goal per game isn't a massive factor in recent results.
Grendel
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He's played 13 games and scored 9 goals hasn't he?
dongonzalos
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Originally Posted by dongonzalos: I need to make it clear as Grendel keeps clouding the issue.
No you constantly suggest Thorn is a good manager, that is nonsense
I think MR is a good manager.
But by implication no better than the worst manager in our history - insulting
I think this was the season when we really finally could judge AT, after 9 signings, screw that up, argument over.
Most rational people said give him ten games to decide, personally I felt longer due to all the new signings.
Most rational people realised Thorn should have been sacked last October.
Three matches is never enough time to draw that conclusion, especially a draw away in the 1st game, a draw at home to the favourites. Then a shocking 45 minutes. I would understand 3 heavy defeats.
Last season any defeat was acceptable to you
That decision and the circus that followed has derailed our season. Proven by the following 5 defeats.
Proved by 3 points from 8 games.
MR is a good manager. I still think we can make the play offs. I think it is a hard task due to the 5 defeats. Not like some say because we have the worse squad ever, that should be relegated.
Hard task after the first 8 games - even harder having taken over from the worst manager this club has ever seen
I still think we have a very good squad.
Subjective with no statistical back up as usual
I do like astute think DMC contribution is big. I believe he had been identified by AT before he was sacked. I think it was ridiculed on here as another AT option with a shit scoring record. I don't hear anyone, who says AT's signings are shit considering this.
He didn't sign when Thorn was here so that is the end of the argument unless of course he also signed Scott Dann, Fox etc. Thorn's transfer record is as embarrasing as his win ratio, points ratio or any other ratio you care to mention -- unless that is defeat ratio of course
Brown, Ball are not my cup of tea from the signings.
So Kilbane, Elliot, Malaga, Barton are?
Yes Malaga is now Nuneaton, however quite a few on here were dissapointed when he was suddenly no longer in the team.
He is now at Nuneaton. End of discussion
If this is the level of your argument.
The Mauritius was warm, relaxing and very comfortable. Thanks
No you constantly suggest Thorn is a good manager, that is nonsense
I think MR is a good manager.
But by implication no better than the worst manager in our history - insulting
I think this was the season when we really finally could judge AT, after 9 signings, screw that up, argument over.
Most rational people said give him ten games to decide, personally I felt longer due to all the new signings.
Most rational people realised Thorn should have been sacked last October.
Three matches is never enough time to draw that conclusion, especially a draw away in the 1st game, a draw at home to the favourites. Then a shocking 45 minutes. I would understand 3 heavy defeats.
Last season any defeat was acceptable to you
That decision and the circus that followed has derailed our season. Proven by the following 5 defeats.
Proved by 3 points from 8 games.
MR is a good manager. I still think we can make the play offs. I think it is a hard task due to the 5 defeats. Not like some say because we have the worse squad ever, that should be relegated.
Hard task after the first 8 games - even harder having taken over from the worst manager this club has ever seen
I still think we have a very good squad.
Subjective with no statistical back up as usual
I do like astute think DMC contribution is big. I believe he had been identified by AT before he was sacked. I think it was ridiculed on here as another AT option with a shit scoring record. I don't hear anyone, who says AT's signings are shit considering this.
He didn't sign when Thorn was here so that is the end of the argument unless of course he also signed Scott Dann, Fox etc. Thorn's transfer record is as embarrasing as his win ratio, points ratio or any other ratio you care to mention -- unless that is defeat ratio of course
Brown, Ball are not my cup of tea from the signings.
So Kilbane, Elliot, Malaga, Barton are?
Yes Malaga is now Nuneaton, however quite a few on here were dissapointed when he was suddenly no longer in the team.
He is now at Nuneaton. End of discussion
If this is the level of your argument.
The Mauritius was warm, relaxing and very comfortable. Thanks
dongonzalos
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dongonzalos 11:06 AM 12 Hours Ago
Originally Posted by covcity4life: dont back track
i can agree that 3 games may have been rash sacking but do not sit there and say mcg is only difference between him and robins Back track? Please explain.
Any explanation?
Originally Posted by covcity4life: dont back track
i can agree that 3 games may have been rash sacking but do not sit there and say mcg is only difference between him and robins Back track? Please explain.
Any explanation?
Sky_Blue_Vickie
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Whilst 3 games was to early to evaluate the strength of the team these reasons are why it was imperative that we had a change of manager. We have a competitive squad and MR is already getting more out of them. If AT had stayed and the team began to gel who knows what would have happened, maybe we would have won a game or too but the major problems under ATs reign would have remained - lack of discipline and lack of ability to change a game tactically / with subs and those issues would always have held us back.
Under MR we have the best chance for many a year to change the direction of this club. It will be a long road but MR is the man I believe will give us some good times again.
dongonzalos
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Even DMC couldn't score during the period of instability
Grendel
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Except on his debut
Brighton Sky Blue
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Home debut*
dongonzalos
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To be fair watching him at Tranmere. He was head and soldiers above everyone else on the pitch, especially the Tranmere players.
I am sure you will comment on this but second was Barton.
I am sure you will comment on this but second was Barton.
Astute
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Yet again some on here seem to have a problem with reading and then digesting what has been written. I said the biggest difference between AT and MR is McG. Without McG we would be poibts away from safety. We won our last game 3-1. McG scored 2 and set the other up. Did we play well? Did we deserve the win? How many points has McG got us so far with his goals? Where would we be without him? How happy would we be if we didn't have him?
Things are improving, but improving slowly. Who is saying we will do well if he leaves in January? If not then what is the biggest improvement? IMHO we are shafted without him. We are not playing much better. Are we playing any better at all?
We drew our 1st 3 games. How would we have done with McG? Where would we be if we had him from the start of the season and not had Shaw in charge? What is the biggest improvement other than having a player that scores goals?
Things are improving, but improving slowly. Who is saying we will do well if he leaves in January? If not then what is the biggest improvement? IMHO we are shafted without him. We are not playing much better. Are we playing any better at all?
We drew our 1st 3 games. How would we have done with McG? Where would we be if we had him from the start of the season and not had Shaw in charge? What is the biggest improvement other than having a player that scores goals?
dongonzalos
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Interesting point
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Your memory is failing you dear chap: it's me who's been sunning myself in the Indian Ocean....
stupot07
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Sorry yep 10 in 15, 9 in 13 in the league. 8 in 9 in the league since Robins has been here.
stupot07
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Thanks Wingy. I am in no way supporting AT in this argument, I'm just saying you can't underestimate the huge impact McGoldrick has made and like i said under Robins he's scoring at virtually a goal a game in the league. That return would significant improve every single team in this league.
dongonzalos
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When were we first linked with signing dmc?
covcity4life
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what dont you understand? mcg is not the only difference between thorn and robbins, that shouldnt even need to be detailed to you. only an idiot could say there is no difference between the managers
It does back a part of Richie Barkers assessment of the match on Tuesday,he is very much having the Marlon king effect on the team albeit a league below,but has settled into the side immediately where King did'nt appear to and is scoring at a far higher rate.
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Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Interesting point. My recollection being that we were linked with him in the January transfer window.
The again, very strongly late July and early August; but nothing happened util 31st August - 5 days after Thorn was sacked
dongonzalos
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Ok thanks for the above.
Now I will ask my question again. Can you show me specifically the point I have made, and specificaly show me where that I am now back tracking on that point?
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dongonzalos
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Barker is a sly fox, he fears us and is trying to encourage teams from the championship to come for DMC. Not that they will need his encouragement.
Grendel
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Your memory is failing you dear chap: it's me who's been sunning myself in the Indian Ocean....
I thought you and Mrs Thorn were an item?